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[Thrazesul]

I'm fine with the endings after EC, but since *my* pressing concerns are placed on other things in ME3, I just don't have the energy to dislike the endings too.

If those other issues hadn't existed, I would probably have wanted some changes to the ending; it's still not a good one, but I can tolerate it and move on at least.

[Dubozz]

I do think this new DLC is going to be great.
I do think bioware listened to us (me1-2 squadmates, romance content etc)
I do think bioware devs made a great job making this new DLC (4 GB omg, this IS expansion indeed)
but after this new DLC i'm going to play futher...priority earth...catalyst...you know.. ending..
So..

[Mark of the Dragon]

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

[Zekka]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

[Jonata]

leslie2233 wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

[GeneralBacon339]

 the endings were fixed.

the extended cut at least makes the endings bearable. 

although i'm still pissed of that my ultimate hero is FORCED to die in one of 3 ways!

Mass Effect 4 better be awesome!  and give us the OPTION of a walt disney "Happy" ending.

would like to see shepard come back based on the ending you chose.  Either as the all powerful AI Guardian (control Ending)  

or be sifted out of the rubble and maybe take an admiral hackett role, issuing orders.  (Destroy ending, maybe give shepard a bum leg as a permanent injury, and THOSE CHILDREN S/HE wants)

[Dr_Extrem]

Jonata wrote...

leslie2233 wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

nearly every game is a perfect score game nowadays.

[GeneralBacon339]

 Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

Dragon age 2 wasn't not a Failure, tho i believe that it was a test bed for greater things, and the lack of travel and discovery hurt the game severally!

[Dr_Extrem]

GeneralBacon339 wrote...

 the endings were fixed.

the extended cut at least makes the endings bearable. 

although i'm still pissed of that my ultimate hero is FORCED to die in one of 3 ways!

Mass Effect 4 better be awesome!  and give us the OPTION of a walt disney "Happy" ending.

would like to see shepard come back based on the ending you chose.  Either as the all powerful AI Guardian (control Ending)  

or be sifted out of the rubble and maybe take an admiral hackett role, issuing orders.  (Destroy ending, maybe give shepard a bum leg as a permanent injury, and THOSE CHILDREN S/HE wants)

so you hope, that mass effect 4 will fix the issues of mass effect 3s endings .. dream on ... its over.

[saracen16]

Sam Anders wrote...

I won't be buying the next game, whatever it is.

If I was pissed off at the ending, this would be my response. Currently, I am not. Even then, I am not sure if I'll buy the next game, being made by a different development team (Montreal), using a different engine (Battlefie- err, Frostbite 2), and questionably not involving other core writers in the series.

[Jonata]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Jonata wrote...

leslie2233 wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

nearly every game is a perfect score game nowadays.

You can't look straight at ME3 and say it does not deserve it. You're either lying or being blind to support your hate if you do so. It's okay to completely hate the game, but beign objective it is an extremely compelling game. 

Modifié par Jonata, 22 février 2013 - 02:15 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

This is why I'm somewhat happy about the DLC actually, it's a chance to have my last experience in ME end on a positive note. The ending is still crap and will remain so, but having a chance to have a more in depth interact with characters that made me fall in love with the series to begin with will at least help get the bitter taste out of my mouth.

[inversevideo]

DWH1982 wrote...

The endings aren't going to change. I think it's time we all accept that.

I hate them, but, fortunately, I don't have to ever play them again. I'm fine with stopping before Star Brat and making up my own.

As far as ME4 (or "Next" or whatever)... I'll decide whether to buy based on what I hear about the game, how they handle the endings, and so forth.

In the meantime, maybe it's for the best that I move on to something else. Mass Effect is a tough franchise to let go of, but maybe it's time for a little more space.

I totally agree with you. This is a healthy attitude and one that I had to apply to myself.

I've never been this affected by a Video Game before, and hope never to be again. I have only myself  to blame and I will not become that invested in a story or game again.  I hate that the last 10-15min of ME3 diminished the experience for me, but that is my issue. Like you, it helps to stop the game at 'best seats in the house'.  

That said, I thank the devs and writers for what is overall a great science fiction saga. 

I have many other games I have not even opened yet, Gears, Fallout:NV, and games I still need to finish, like Batman:Arkham City, and Skyrim.  So I don't lack for games.  And for those who might be a bit curious, ME3MP is highly addictive, much fun!

I am looking forward to DA:3, more than ME4. But will see what is what when the time comes, a couple of years down the road.

[Outsider edge]

Jonata wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Jonata wrote...

leslie2233 wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

nearly every game is a perfect score game nowadays.

You can't look straight at ME3 and say it does not deserve it. You're either lying or being blind to support your hate if you do so. It's okay to completely hate the game, but beign objective it is an extremely compelling game. 

Sure you can.

Mass Effect 3 was obviously rushed evidenced by the following:

-An endgame that fell apart into an hour long horde mode slog.
- The last 5 minutes equaling some of the worst writing in videogame history
- bugs
- Face import not working
- The 'best' ending requiring multiplayer
- not working quest journal
- filler quests by the truckloads of the "eavesdrop" kind
- and many many more.

Now all those 75+ perfect score reviews glanced all over these kind of issues which proves they either never played the game thoroughly or their "objective" view should be disgarded because they fullfilled their role in life as extensions of EA's PR blitz. This game was objectively NOT perfect there were too many issues.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 22 février 2013 - 02:32 .

[Raging_Pulse]

Thrazesul wrote...

I'm fine with the endings after EC, but since *my* pressing concerns are placed on other things in ME3, I just don't have the energy to dislike the endings too.

If those other issues hadn't existed, I would probably have wanted some changes to the ending; it's still not a good one, but I can tolerate it and move on at least.

Heh, I'm actually exactly the other way around: I hate the endings so much that I just can't afford the time and energy to focus on some other things in the game that also irk me (day 1 DLC, intro, auto-dialogue, Cerberus, Kai Leng, meaningless assets, fetch quests...).

If the endings didn't disappoint me so badly, I'd probably be more willing and motivated to give feedback about other stuff too.

However, I'm happy to say that I got over it and moved on with relatively little drama.  


As for the OP, I wish I could agree with you, but I think you overestimate people's willpower on the matter. Given the time distance until release of ME4, I doubt many people will refuse to by it because of disappointment in ME3's ending.

Modifié par Domecoming, 22 février 2013 - 02:42 .

[Sejborg]

Nah. I like the Mass Effect games and setting, but if the franchise dies because of lack of interest from consumers then I am fine with that.

Bioware will just make another franchise and I really enjoy entering a rich new universe. That's why I am looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077. I often find sequels upon sequels to become redundant. It's hard to keep it fresh. I was kinda bored with the Mass Effect setting going into Mass Effect 3, but I expect ME4 to be a completely new story, so that is why I am a interested in ME4.

Take for instance the Dead Space franchise. I only liked the first Dead Space. The sequels were just the same one trick pony being dragged around a different circus ring.

[Dr_Extrem]

Jonata wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Jonata wrote...

leslie2233 wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I do not think they will lose that many. Bioware did add resolution to the ending in the form of the FREE EC DLC. It made a lot of people happy. At the end of the day I honestly dont see to many people leaving ME forever.

Whether they like it or not they will lose some fans becasue people are actually angry because of the direction Bioware took. Look at Dragon Age 2's sales to Dragon Age: Origins, there is a big difference between them. I just hope Bioware doesn't make a prequel to avoid the ending controversy.

Dragon Age 2 was a failed experiment. Mass Effect 3, regardless of what people think of the endings, is still a perfect score game that ended an epic Sci-Fi trilogy.. 

nearly every game is a perfect score game nowadays.

You can't look straight at ME3 and say it does not deserve it. You're either lying or being blind to support your hate if you do so. It's okay to completely hate the game, but beign objective it is an extremely compelling game. 

- autodialogue
- simplified combat
- bugs (face import ect.)
- day one dlc with importent context.
- narratively inconsistant with the former installments
- the journal
- scanmissions
- charcter assasinations
- forced mp to get the high ems-destroy ending


bad game? maybe not but not a "perfect score" in my books ... not even close.

[Raging_Pulse]

EDIT: nvm

Modifié par Domecoming, 22 février 2013 - 02:41 .

[Daniel_N7]

inversevideo wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

The endings aren't going to change. I think it's time we all accept that.

I hate them, but, fortunately, I don't have to ever play them again. I'm fine with stopping before Star Brat and making up my own.

As far as ME4 (or "Next" or whatever)... I'll decide whether to buy based on what I hear about the game, how they handle the endings, and so forth.

In the meantime, maybe it's for the best that I move on to something else. Mass Effect is a tough franchise to let go of, but maybe it's time for a little more space.

I totally agree with you. This is a healthy attitude and one that I had to apply to myself.

I've never been this affected by a Video Game before, and hope never to be again. I have only myself  to blame and I will not become that invested in a story or game again.  I hate that the last 10-15min of ME3 diminished the experience for me, but that is my issue. Like you, it helps to stop the game at 'best seats in the house'.  

That said, I thank the devs and writers for what is overall a great science fiction saga. 

I have many other games I have not even opened yet, Gears, Fallout:NV, and games I still need to finish, like Batman:Arkham City, and Skyrim.  So I don't lack for games.  And for those who might be a bit curious, ME3MP is highly addictive, much fun!

I am looking forward to DA:3, more than ME4. But will see what is what when the time comes, a couple of years down the road.

Sometimes I just feel that I can’t deal with Mass Effect anymore. Too much sorrow, too much godawful pain. And I say to myself something similar to what you said, that I'll never become this invested in a video game again. Then a video like this comes along and... here we go again.

[Grand Wazoo]

Mass Effect 3 still remains as a mediocre game with a really disappointing conclusion. Yeah, it left a bad taste and won't get better, but I am past caring at this point, I will remain a fan of the universe and the characters but won't be buying the next game.

[Ronnocloki]

evilgummybear wrote...

The ending is done and dusted, you cannot change an ending once its been released.

Im hoping this DLC will also have harbringer, maybe harbringer is involved in this assasination attempt!!

Endings have been changed post release before.  Read about Fallout 3 sometime.

[Hexley UK]

Grand Wazoo wrote...

Mass Effect 3 still remains as a mediocre game with a really disappointing conclusion. Yeah, it left a bad taste and won't get better, but I am past caring at this point, I will remain a fan of the universe and the characters but won't be buying the next game.

+1 for this, they blew it at the last hurdle and frankly soured my view on Mass Effect as a whole.

I have not bought anything Mass Effect related since experiencing that Deus Ex rip-off trash and I never will again.

Just can't trust them enough to waste another 100+ hours of my time only for them to screw it all up again.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 22 février 2013 - 03:00 .

[Dr. Megaverse]

I like all this "a few sour folks" talk when almost a year after release people are still expressing unhappiness. People are still expressing unhappiness about the people expressing unhappiness. Literally the forums are NO DIFFERENT than they were right after launch. Yet detractors say there aren't any problems....seems legit

[BD Manchild]

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is why I'm somewhat happy about the DLC actually, it's a chance to have my last experience in ME end on a positive note. The ending is still crap and will remain so, but having a chance to have a more in depth interact with characters that made me fall in love with the series to begin with will at least help get the bitter taste out of my mouth.

I have to say that would be good. With any luck this DLC will actually give what any good DLC should; give us more of what was great about the main game. That was where almost every other DLC failed, in my opinion; there are a million third-person shooters out there, but there was only one Mass Effect.

So I'd agree with this; the ending's still garbage and will always be, but perhaps this last DLC will be some form of consolation. After this though, I won't be investing in another ME game ever again.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 22 février 2013 - 03:34 .

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

I appreciate the OP's decision to open this thread.

For my BioWare friends, you know I despise the endings, both the original ones and the EC.  I think the concept was terrible; I loathe the StarBrat and his contrived appearance at the end of a great story; I really dislike the departure from the successful formula of allowing a well-played game to succeed with a hero that was an extension of the player, etc.  It was tragic and awful and a betrayal of many who loved the series.  I swore to never buy DLC for this game unless the endings were revised.  I also believed that a revision was necessary because, as many here have pointed out, too many players who invested hundreds of hours in this game were left with an ending that could not be won.  No matter thoughtful you were in playing your Shepard.  And that would cost BioWare dearly in the future.  These were, in my informed assessment, the majority of dedicated players.  Many may have "moved on" but they aren't happy.

I am one them.

However, I understand that declaring the ending to the culmination of a tremendously successful trilogy to be a colossal failure isn't institutionally easy for BioWare.  Personalities and egos and careers are important considerations when everyday the institution has to inspire its creative staff to be bold and tell great stories. 

So we have the last DLC for Commander Shepard:  Citadel.

Before we all reignite the ending debates, I suggest a pause for a moment to consider something, particularly for my fellow players who really, really dislike the endings of ME3.

Could Citadel serve as an alternate ending?

Forget the horrible introduction of the StarBrat, the forced choices and rainbow colors of destruction.  Forget the bizarre Garden of Eden cinematics, the absence of Harbinger (except for his distant beam), and Marauder Shields (God rest his soul...he tried to save us).  I mean, really forget it.  It was a terrible plot construct.  It is out there, but, perhaps, this DLC will simply allow you to stop here, at the Citadel, and simply forget the nasty mess of an ending that was just so badly botched.

Those, like me, who wanted to win the game, wanted to share victory with our friends, have personal time with our LIs, have, finally, a well-earned sense of accomplishment.  A chance to relax after the epic battle with those most who are most meaningful in this universe.  If Citadel allows you to do that, and I don't have to do anything else to remind myself (or be reminded) of those atrocious endings, it might work as the best institutional compromise of which BioWare was capable.  Your house may not be on Rannoch, but you'll have one on the Citadel (pretty natural for Shepard, actually.)  You can hang out and gamble with your pals.  Maybe you can have your closure there and feel a sense of final victory. 

The Reaper plot has been horribly ruined by GlowBoy and the lousy endings anyway.

So please, don't remind me that I have anything left to do at the end of the Citadel DLC.  That would defeat its purpose as an "end unto itself."  Allow me to ignore the prior mistake (and that is what it is) and perhaps those of us who felt betrayed by it can move on feeling that we have had the chance to share victory with our friends. 

I am rather surprised by my reaction to the description of this DLC.  I like this company, and what it has generally done with ME has been amazing.  That is why the ending was such a soul-crushing mess.  I really hope this is what BioWare is trying to do, balance the ending mess with what it knows those who really don't like them wanted to see instead.  Perhaps, BioWare has found a compromise that gives those disenchanted players an ending they can live with.  I hope so.  Compromises aren't perfect, but a good one can be rewarding enough to allow you to move happily on.

Modifié par PuppiesOfDeath2, 22 février 2013 - 03:44 .