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[DirtyPhoenix]

Legbiter wrote...

You mean the forums will be short a hundred mopey emos?

That sounds too good to be true, there has to be a downside.

lolol:lol:

[Mcfly616]

pirate1802 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

You mean the forums will be short a hundred mopey emos?

That sounds too good to be true, there has to be a downside.

lolol:lol:

+1

[DetcelferVisionary]

AlanC9 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

I was told my choices MATTERED.  THEY DIDNT! 

They didn't? Entire races lived or died based on my decisions. Including the human race if I wanted a really tragic ending.

Seriously?  You think you had any semblence of control for that ending?  Get real.

Are you saying we couldn't control the fate of the entire galaxy? Or that you can't tell the difference between Destroy, Control, Synthesis, and Refuse? Or that the choices that happened before the ending don't matter, because the quarians are magically resurrected at the end somehow, etc?

Get real, indeed.

Look, I know you're bitter because Merizan shot down your idea, but that post just doesn't cut it.

Alan,  it has been spelled out for you many times, why the ending was sub-par.  There is a laundry list of reasons.  All of them very diverse and varied and many of those reasons would have been extremely difficult for Bioware to satisfy everyone.  However, DONT give me that garbage it was even remotely on par with ME2.  Dont tell me that Bioware can walk away from it saying "we did everything to make it the best we could".   Your ignorance of both the professional and the casual observation is mind blowing.  I'm GLAD you can be happy with the ending.  Fact is,  most people are not.  I question from the description standpoint of this new DLC (because thats all we have)  that it was exactly what the MAJORITY wanted.   Bioware didnt listen,  they're going to the beat of their own drum.  Why should public perception be any different?   You can chalk up in one word IMO what the general public wanted out of that ending but didnt get.  Closure.   If you think we got it,  coupled with our choices in the game - then you're a fool.  I encourage you to READ the forums of all the many reasons why people were not satisfied,  much of them have merit.

Merizan corrected me and I'm actually perfectly fine with that.  I'm glad that there is no confusion - because that would just get peoples hopes up.  I was only speculating in that thread.

[Han Shot First]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Han Shot First wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

Nelatherion wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...
*snip

Wow, you guys have beaten the horse more times than Tesco.
Seriously, Bioware is satisfied by the endings, most of the fan base are (asides from the vocal minority) so why change it? It is the ending they wanted for their game.
Also, Victory through Refuse is impossible. If you want that lovey dovey ending then go watch MEHEM. 

you do not speak for the fanbase.... i can tell you that it is certainly not a "vocal minority"  when the entire forums are swamped by ending related posts, when 50k people join a FB group, when $80,000 is raised for charity, when $1000 is raised in under an hour, when entire new forums spring up around IT, i can tell you definitely it is not a "vocal minority". 
 

That was all prior to the release of the Extended Cut.
How many people hated the original endings but thought the EC addressed enough of their major concerns that they moved on?
Most post-EC polls with a good sample size had a larger section of the fanbase voting that they either liked or were satsified with the Extended Cut endings, than those who voted that they dere disatisfied or hated them. 
I also hated the original endings, but moved on after the EC. While the post-EC endings still have some flaws, I  thought the EC addressed enough of my major complaints that I think the series was salvaged.

http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/
This seems to say otherwise...

That says nothing of the sort.

It is a poll created on March 5th, 2012 and does not address the Extended Cut in the slightest. I'm not sure how you think that poll relates to how people felt about the Extended Cut, when the poll was created before the Extended Cut was even announced. All that poll does is guage the sentiment of the fanbase in March of 2012.

[TransientNomad]

Mcfly616 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

You mean the forums will be short a hundred mopey emos?

That sounds too good to be true, there has to be a downside.

lolol:lol:

+1

Ah yes.  People who don't share your opinion and voice their displeasure about something are "emos."  You see, I thought when people didn't like something, they were allowed to say something about it and be free of ridicule especially if their concerns (whatever they may be) goes unaddressed in a way they find satisfactory.  Stay classy BSN.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Han Shot First wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Han Shot First wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

Nelatherion wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...
*snip

Wow, you guys have beaten the horse more times than Tesco.
Seriously, Bioware is satisfied by the endings, most of the fan base are (asides from the vocal minority) so why change it? It is the ending they wanted for their game.
Also, Victory through Refuse is impossible. If you want that lovey dovey ending then go watch MEHEM. 

you do not speak for the fanbase.... i can tell you that it is certainly not a "vocal minority"  when the entire forums are swamped by ending related posts, when 50k people join a FB group, when $80,000 is raised for charity, when $1000 is raised in under an hour, when entire new forums spring up around IT, i can tell you definitely it is not a "vocal minority". 
 

That was all prior to the release of the Extended Cut.
How many people hated the original endings but thought the EC addressed enough of their major concerns that they moved on?
Most post-EC polls with a good sample size had a larger section of the fanbase voting that they either liked or were satsified with the Extended Cut endings, than those who voted that they dere disatisfied or hated them. 
I also hated the original endings, but moved on after the EC. While the post-EC endings still have some flaws, I  thought the EC addressed enough of my major complaints that I think the series was salvaged.

http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/
This seems to say otherwise...

That says nothing of the sort.

It is a poll created on March 5th, 2012 and does not address the Extended Cut in the slightest. I'm not sure how you think that poll relates to how people felt about the Extended Cut, when the poll was created before the Extended Cut was even announced. All that poll does is guage the sentiment of the fanbase in March of 2012.

Theres a new poll that recently came out and last I checked it was at a 1/5 ratio in favor of improving the ending. It's on these forums. So while its not 90%,  people are still not happy with the ending.  

[ForThessia]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out whiners.

[Kingthlayer]

The ending is what it is, if they wanted to change the ending they would have when they did the EC. The fact that months later people still expected them to change the ending is just mind blowing.

As for if I purchase the new game or this upcoming DLC will be based on how good it is. If the next Mass Effect game is good I will buy as I do with all good games, if the next game is bad I won't buy ti, the ending of Mass Effect 3 does nothing to change my mind. The only thing Mass Effect 3 did, was take the next BioWare game off of my preorder list. Only games that are getting the preorder is GTA 5 and Witcher 3, as those series have shown quality.

[mcgreggers99]

The EC did enough to satisfy enough people. Vocal fans are vocal. And ending haters are the most vocal. I'm sure EA/Bioware did look at the metrics and they are satisfied with the level of acceptance in the fans that remain. They were never going to make everyone happy. Those angry fans on the outer edges the bell-curve are going to hate the ending forever anyway. (Phantom Menace Style)

[alsonamedbort]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

I was told my choices MATTERED.  THEY DIDNT! 

They didn't? Entire races lived or died based on my decisions. Including the human race if I wanted a really tragic ending.

Seriously?  You think you had any semblence of control for that ending?  Get real.

Are you saying we couldn't control the fate of the entire galaxy? Or that you can't tell the difference between Destroy, Control, Synthesis, and Refuse? Or that the choices that happened before the ending don't matter, because the quarians are magically resurrected at the end somehow, etc?

Get real, indeed.

Look, I know you're bitter because Merizan shot down your idea, but that post just doesn't cut it.

Alan,  it has been spelled out for you many times, why the ending was sub-par.  There is a laundry list of reasons.  All of them very diverse and varied and many of those reasons would have been extremely difficult for Bioware to satisfy everyone.  However, DONT give me that garbage it was even remotely on par with ME2.  Dont tell me that Bioware can walk away from it saying "we did everything to make it the best we could".   Your ignorance of both the professional and the casual observation is mind blowing.  I'm GLAD you can be happy with the ending.  Fact is,  most people are not.  I question from the description standpoint of this new DLC (because thats all we have)  that it was exactly what the MAJORITY wanted.   Bioware didnt listen,  they're going to the beat of their own drum.  Why should public perception be any different?   You can chalk up in one word IMO what the general public wanted out of that ending but didnt get.  Closure.   If you think we got it,  coupled with our choices in the game - then you're a fool.  I encourage you to READ the forums of all the many reasons why people were not satisfied,  much of them have merit.

Merizan corrected me and I'm actually perfectly fine with that.  I'm glad that there is no confusion - because that would just get peoples hopes up.  I was only speculating in that thread.

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

[Iakus]

TransientNomad wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

You mean the forums will be short a hundred mopey emos?

That sounds too good to be true, there has to be a downside.

lolol:lol:

+1

Ah yes.  People who don't share your opinion and voice their displeasure about something are "emos."  You see, I thought when people didn't like something, they were allowed to say something about it and be free of ridicule especially if their concerns (whatever they may be) goes unaddressed in a way they find satisfactory.  Stay classy BSN.

Indeed.

Say hello to Bioware's new core audience

[Necrotron]

Just like Star Wars: Episode I, this will always be officially considered canon.

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

The ending is what it is, if they wanted to change the ending they would have when they did the EC. The fact that months later people still expected them to change the ending is just mind blowing.

As for if I purchase the new game or this upcoming DLC will be based on how good it is. If the next Mass Effect game is good I will buy as I do with all good games, if the next game is bad I won't buy ti, the ending of Mass Effect 3 does nothing to change my mind. The only thing Mass Effect 3 did, was take the next BioWare game off of my preorder list. Only games that are getting the preorder is GTA 5 and Witcher 3, as those series have shown quality.

Pretty much, yeah.  It just means I consider more carefully before I automatically buy a Bioware game just because it's Bioware.  They'll still make great games, I'm sure, I just can't be assured of 'quality writing' just because it has a Bioware name.  I know, regardless, I'll still be very excited at any details of Mass Effect 4.

Modifié par Bathaius, 22 février 2013 - 07:44 .

[Seival]

Arbiter156 wrote...

Without an Ending fix, i fear many will leave this series with a bad taste and very few will come back.

Do not fear. Some people will leave, but new fans will arrive. BioWare will always have large community.

[DetcelferVisionary]

alsonamedbort wrote...

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

You can disagree all you like.  Perfectly fine - I have nothing against that at all.  You're just ignorant if you completely IGNORE (part of IGNORance) the majority.  That's not even to say the majority must always be right.  

Modifié par DetcelferVisionary, 22 février 2013 - 07:48 .

[alsonamedbort]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

You can disagree all you like.  Perfectly fine - I have nothing against that at all.  You're just ignorant if you completely IGNORE (part of IGNORance) the majority.  That's not even to say the majority must always be right.  

I guess I just don't see where that happened in the above posts.  In fact, your post saying that none of the choices matter at all is the one that I think completely ignores parts of the game that do take choices into account.  That's not to say there aren't perfectly valid criticisms of outcomes that are hamfisted no matter what you choose, but to pretend otherwise is also disingenuous.

[mcgreggers99]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

You can disagree all you like.  Perfectly fine - I have nothing against that at all.  You're just ignorant if you completely IGNORE (part of IGNORance) the majority.  That's not even to say the majority must always be right.  

That's just it though... the majority of people DID have a beef with the ending, and the majority still might wish that it could be tweaked a bit more. But also the majority of people accept that the EC was enough of a fix to the problem. People hated the ending for different reasons, and the EC was a bandaid for enough of those people. MOST people realize that there aren't enough absolutely outraged fans to warrant the time and expenditure for additional ending modifications.

Do I wish it would happen? Sure I do. But it won't. So like many things in life you can accept it, deal with the reality of the situation, put on your big boy pants, and turn the page, or continue to moan an grumble on forum pages for the rest of eternity. It's your choice, but you won't get a lot of sympathy here. I think MOST peopl are sick of the compaining to be honest.

[Dubozz]

Yeah Ending is going to screw this dlc too. Bad taste in the mouth? For sure.

[Iakus]

alsonamedbort wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

You can disagree all you like.  Perfectly fine - I have nothing against that at all.  You're just ignorant if you completely IGNORE (part of IGNORance) the majority.  That's not even to say the majority must always be right.  

I guess I just don't see where that happened in the above posts.  In fact, your post saying that none of the choices matter at all is the one that I think completely ignores parts of the game that do take choices into account.  That's not to say there aren't perfectly valid criticisms of outcomes that are hamfisted no matter what you choose, but to pretend otherwise is also disingenuous.

When every single choice you make inevitably leads to the commission of a terrible crime followed by the  (likely) death of the protagonist, it kinda makes the outcome of the decisions that came before feel hollow and pointless.  A slideshow does not make it better.

[tracesaint]

Perhaps some will leave. It happens. Anyway, the ending before the extended cut was messy. The whole speculation part was just to cover up the lack of ideas as to how the hell to end it. Post EC it is much improved. I can never stand giant ball of fixing everything endings though. I had just finished Gears of War 3, and although story isn't as important in that franchise, it was still annoying. Making an enemy too powerful can force writers into a corner where a crucible is the only way out.

So my two top played franchises ended almost the same.
I really like certain parts of the ending, and I really wish other parts were improved. Either way, it is done.

Modifié par tracesaint, 22 février 2013 - 08:08 .

[Norwood06]

I can only speak for myself, but most the problem here are expectations. For both ME2 and ME3, I expected one thing and got something else. And I was unhappy for weeks afterwards. But going away from ME and coming back months later for replays, I got happier and happier with the games.

So my point: I recognize that many people will remain bitter about the endings. But many others, myself include, gradually warmed up to it, especially after some of the larger plot holes were plugged with EC. Just as I'll never be happy with the very brief 'main questline' of ME2 (ie collector missions), I'll never be happy with Priority Earth in ME3. But these issues aren't game-killing for me.

And I see a DLC that provides more time with ME2 characters, plus hopefully some "truth" regarding some of the mysteries surrounding the citadel (keepers, catalyst, crucible) can only improve the game overall.

[alsonamedbort]

iakus wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

You know, someone can feel differently about this issue and not be a fool and/or mindblowingly ignorant.

You can disagree all you like.  Perfectly fine - I have nothing against that at all.  You're just ignorant if you completely IGNORE (part of IGNORance) the majority.  That's not even to say the majority must always be right.  

I guess I just don't see where that happened in the above posts.  In fact, your post saying that none of the choices matter at all is the one that I think completely ignores parts of the game that do take choices into account.  That's not to say there aren't perfectly valid criticisms of outcomes that are hamfisted no matter what you choose, but to pretend otherwise is also disingenuous.

When every single choice you make inevitably leads to the commission of a terrible crime followed by the  (likely) death of the protagonist, it kinda makes the outcome of the decisions that came before feel hollow and pointless.  A slideshow does not make it better.

If that's the way you want to see it, fine.  If you want to call the EC a "slideshow" because it helps you make a point, even though it was absolutely more than that, then whatever.  Choices still mattered.  Which ones did matter and to what degree has been a topic of endless debate, but saying they didn't matter is just not true.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Hey, it doesn't matter what we think. Merizan says that her spreadsheets say that we are in the minority if we dislike the ending, and Merizan is always right.

[Han Shot First]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...


Theres a new poll that recently came out and last I checked it was at a 1/5 ratio in favor of improving the ending. It's on these forums. So while its not 90%,  people are still not happy with the ending.  

I haven't seen that poll, but from the sound of it I don't think it would be an accurate reflection of how the Extended Cut was received.

As an example, I probably would vote in favor of improving the ending depending on how the poll is worded. The endings are far from perfect. That being said I also thought the Extended Cut addressed most of my major concerns with the original endings, and while not perfect, against expectations I thought it did manage to salvage the series.

The largest poll I did see on the Extended Cut simply asked whether people loved, liked, disliked, or hated the Extended Cut. The loves and likes outnumbered the dislikes and hates, with the likes being the biggest bloc.

But really you don't even need polls to guage the opinion of the fanbase. This is as true now as it was in March. In March any discussion of the endings were near total in their negativity. Even without a poll it was evident that the endings were hugely unpopular with the fanbase. After the Extended Cut however the tone is much more divided. While some still despise the endings to such a degree that without further changes being made to the endings, the series is ruined for them, more people seem to have moved on and are ready for Mass Effect 4.

In short the number of people who are are now satisfied with the endings post-EC appear to be a majority, in contrast to March when the number of people who would not purchase Mass Effect 4 would have been a solid majority.

[Iakus]

alsonamedbort wrote...

iakus wrote...


When every single choice you make inevitably leads to the commission of a terrible crime followed by the  (likely) death of the protagonist, it kinda makes the outcome of the decisions that came before feel hollow and pointless.  A slideshow does not make it better.

If that's the way you want to see it, fine.  If you want to call the EC a "slideshow" because it helps you make a point, even though it was absolutely more than that, then whatever.  Choices still mattered.  Which ones did matter and to what degree has been a topic of endless debate, but saying they didn't matter is just not true.

That is the way I see it, because that's what it is.

Oh, sure Shepard gets to ask a few questions as well.  Questions which don't alter the results in the slightest.  Shepard can refuse too, and give a rousing speech before the Catalyst/Bioware goes "Screw you!  Rocks fall, everyone dies!"  Yay, I guess.  Ten extra minutes that only reinforces "You exist because we allow it, and will end because we demand it"

The choices don't matter because there isn't a single outcome that's worth pursuing.  The journey is pontless without a destination worth reaching.

[Iakus]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Hey, it doesn't matter what we think. Merizan says that her spreadsheets say that we are in the minority if we dislike the ending, and Merizan is always right.

Also, I am a French model