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[EJ42]

Monica21 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Hyperblaze wrote...

that's too funny....

the fact that they had to completely change their personality when talking to their girlfriends....

That's apparently what women want.

What is "endearing" to a woman is annoying to a man.

Um, what women do you know? None of those were endearing.
ETA: The Scottish voice was funny. Heh...

You left out the important part of the quote.

I was responding to the "completely change their personality when talking to their girlfriends...." comment.

Sure, that clip was intented to be silly, but the point remains true.  Men act differently around their women than around their male friends.

Alistair fails at that.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeeeah, I actually do prefer Alistair to my current BF. Alistair isn't quite perfect, but he's pretty darned close (and being handsome doesn't hurt either).

[Monica21]

EJ42 wrote...
You left out the important part of the quote.

I was responding to the "completely change their personality when talking to their girlfriends...." comment.

Sure, that clip was intented to be silly, but the point remains true.  Men act differently around their women than around their male friends.

Alistair fails at that.

And I would expect him too, given that his only male friends were in the Chantry or Wardens. He even says at one point (possibly only to a female PC) that the Chantry isn't a place for "rambuctious boys." You seem to be missing that Alistair didn't exactly have a normal childhood, or grow up with normal friends.

[Herr Uhl]

Monica21 wrote...
And I would expect him too, given that his only male friends were in the Chantry or Wardens. He even says at one point (possibly only to a female PC) that the Chantry isn't a place for "rambuctious boys." You seem to be missing that Alistair didn't exactly have a normal childhood, or grow up with normal friends.

And people still call Morrigan evil...

[TuringPoint]

He's pretty romantic.  I admit to being touched by his little gestures and general behavior in the romance, and I'm a straight guy.

As far as "Straight" means anything, anyway.

[EJ42]

Monica21 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
You left out the important part of the quote.

I was responding to the "completely change their personality when talking to their girlfriends...." comment.

Sure, that clip was intented to be silly, but the point remains true.  Men act differently around their women than around their male friends.

Alistair fails at that.

And I would expect him too, given that his only male friends were in the Chantry or Wardens. He even says at one point (possibly only to a female PC) that the Chantry isn't a place for "rambuctious boys." You seem to be missing that Alistair didn't exactly have a normal childhood, or grow up with normal friends.

He didn't ever grow up at all.

If eleven year old boys are your cup of tea, then more power to you.

Just look at Jowan.  Jowan is just as whiny and annoying, and he didn't grow up in the Chantry.

Alistair fails at interacting with other men.  That makes him worthless for anything other than being a "Mystery Date" superstar.

[Monica21]

Herr Uhl wrote...
And people still call Morrigan evil...

Hehe... nah. She's just misunderstood. In all seriousness, Morrigan's awesome, and my favorite female NPC.

[Elessara]

In D&D terms I would call Morrigan Neutral Evil.

[Monica21]

EJ42 wrote...
He didn't ever grow up at all.

If eleven year old boys are your cup of tea, then more power to you.

Just look at Jowan.  Jowan is just as whiny and annoying, and he didn't grow up in the Chantry.

Alistair fails at interacting with other men.  That makes him worthless for anything other than being a "Mystery Date" superstar.

Where did I say that 11-year-old boys are my cup of tea? I said that he has a reason for what you consider to be "unmanly" behavior. As for Jowan, the PC hardly spends much time with him, so you don't really get a true sense of his personality.

How about we agree to disagree?

ETA: I like guys who don't take themselves too seriously and can also make me laugh. Alistair succeeds at that. Not to mention that he's a great tank if you sword and board him. And as Forrest Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

Modifié par Monica21, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:44 .

[EJ42]

Monica21 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
He didn't ever grow up at all.

If eleven year old boys are your cup of tea, then more power to you.

Just look at Jowan.  Jowan is just as whiny and annoying, and he didn't grow up in the Chantry.

Alistair fails at interacting with other men.  That makes him worthless for anything other than being a "Mystery Date" superstar.

Where did I say that 11-year-old boys are my cup of tea? I said that he has a reason for what you consider to be "unmanly" behavior. As for Jowan, the PC hardly spends much time with him, so you don't really get a true sense of his personality.

How about we agree to disagree?

Well, you just seem to be into guys with that maturity level.  (I don't mean literally 11 year old boys)

I don't think so.  He is weak.  It doesn't matter why he is weak.  He needs to get over it.  By the end of the game, he's a bit less of a failure, but it took quite a bit of work to get him there.  At least, with Morrigan, you're only having to teach her that it's ok to be nice sometimes (but not always).

Modifié par EJ42, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:45 .

[Nuegen]

jessgwendolyn wrote...

Many guys who think they are "nice guys" don't seem to be so, really. I'm not saying that this applies to you... but in my experience, many guys will treat you sweetly just to get what they want. And from many "nice guy" rants I've read on the good ol' interwebs, most "nice guys" often say horrible things about the girl in question if she doesn't notice them, and it becomes really clear that they aren't "nice guys" and probably don't feel anything but sexual attraction to the girl, if they're willing to treat her badly in an anonymous forum.

That's not to say all "ncie guys" are like that. One of my brothers is a tried-and-true nice guy, and has actually been treated cruelly by girlfriends who took advantage of him. (The other brother is a man****)

But that's way off topic.

No, those who say horrible things about you behind your back are not nice guys.  Of course after a few years of being dumped on by women, you can't expect them to be nice forever nor should they always keep it in.  Many people use the internet like a psychologist couch and dump feeling out on it that they should normally keep or actually go to a psychologist about.

Nor did I say I was a "nice guy."    I luckily was able to figure out "nice guys" do finish last.  Now I am just a jaded jerk with "nice guy" tendencies that only occasionally get in the way.

I do have a lot of nice guy friends I genuinely worry will end up not being nice forever or bemoaning they are bachelors for life.  It just makes me shake my head whenever I hear some girl bemoan there never being a nice guy.  Its like watching a real life tragedy by a playwrite.  Neither side actually opening their eyes but complaining fate never gives them what they want.

[Monica21]

EJ42 wrote...
Well, you just seem to be into guys with that maturity level.  (I don't mean literally 11 year old boys)

I don't think so.  He is weak.  It doesn't matter why he is weak.  He needs to get over it.  By the end of the game, he's a bit less of a failure, but it took quite a bit of work to get him there.  At least, with Morrigan, you're only having to teach her that it's ok to be nice sometimes (but not always).

Well, I'm pretty immature, but I'm fine with that. And no, not literally 11-year-old boys, or that sense of humor, but I do prefer to be around guys who make me laugh rather than men who must be serious about everything because that's boring. That's Casavir. (If you played NWN.)

He's not as weak as you think he is, but that could be because I saw it through a female PC. And I never taught Morrigan to be nice, or needed to, and still ended up with a 97% approval. That may be the difference between playing as a male PC.

[SargeantRenegade]

I would classify Morrigan as being more Chaotic Neutral.  She reminds me a lot of Millennia from Grandia 2 - a girl who's never had friends before, is wilful and a bit selfish, but over time cracks start to form in her veneer to show someone who's really quite unsure of herself, and even though not everybody is going to get on well with her, everybody would miss her if she left.


Back to the topic of everybody's favourite Templar.  I disagree with the motion that he's the perfect guy as he can be a bit immature at times and the way he deflects issues with humor all the time does get annoying.  But he's definitely the kind of guy you would take home to meet your parents which is a good start.


*pokes a flag on Alistairs armor that reads "Property of Sarge"*


Mine!

Modifié par SargeantRenegade, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[RoudyRogue]

Eh, I'm not a huge fan of him to be honest. Through my first playthrough I was someone who tried to find the "good" answer to questions so Alistair and I got along quite well according to approval. At the same time, so did Morrigan and I. He's a cool enough guy and a good friend, but he NEVER helps a situation unless it's with his sword and board. It's hard to say what I mean without mentioning spoilers but he says he what he thinks is the right thing and gets mad when I do it because it puts him in an uncomfortable position. Or, you can do what I believe to be RIGHT thing in the game and he also disapproves. He just doesn't seem to live by his words sometimes, and sometimes his words are just complaints.

[Elessara]

Back to the derail (sorry) ... Sarge, the reason I say NE is because she is pretty much entirely self motivated. Just because you're NE doesn't mean you don't or can't care about other people but you do put yourself first and foremost. And Morrigan generally does that. And now I shall go dig out my player's handbook and wipe the dust off of it lol.



Alistair is not perfect ... because really who wants to live with perfection? Ugh it would make me feel so inadequate. Or even more so than I already do heh. I also never really found him to be as whiny as people are saying ... although my friends tell me I'm really really whiny so maybe he's just not to my level (yes I have wonderful friends). I believe that he's more intelligent than he lets on. He's also generally a "good" guy. And his dialogue makes me laugh - kudos to whoever wrote it.

[KEMKA]

I'm pretty fond of Alistair's personality, not even considering the romantic option. Just because someone is not confident or 'stable' doesn't mean they are useless etc, not everybody is strong, independent and all that by the time they reach adulthood either. People respond to life differently and have different levels of tolerance for what life throws at them, they're just still growing that's all. The whining doesn't bother me much (I realise that may just be me personally), because after all he still gets on with it. (I haven't finished the game btw, so my reply is based on what I know of him so far, if he has some kind of mental break down at the end of the game then chickens out, I don't know about it and don't spoil it if anything like that happens!)
Edit - also, just because he acts the same around men and women doesn't mean he "Fails" I mean seriously... I get really irritated when men act differently around their male friends as opposed to their female friends? Why is this a measure of Man-liness? To me this says they can't act themselves around women, how is this a good thing?

Modifié par -k-a-t-e-, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:37 .

[BruceVC]

Im glad I'm not the only one who is enamoured with some of the DA party members .I haven’t finished the game yet but Im infatuated by Morrigan .I make sure I have given her all the relevant present’s, like the grimoire and mirror , and generally support her in dialogue so that my rating with her is always between 95-100

Bioware clearly spent extensive time developing the dynamics of the party relationships and it’s really appreciated

[dan107]

For the life of me I can't figure out why women like him so much. I've always though he was a pus*y. And not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer to boot.

-k-a-t-e- wrote...
Edit - also, just because he acts the same around men and women doesn't mean he "Fails" I mean seriously... I get really irritated when men act differently around their male friends as opposed to their female friends? Why is this a measure of Man-liness? To me this says they can't act themselves around women, how is this a good thing?

It's not that we CAN'T act ourselves around women, it's that most women don't seem to appreciate the crude jokes, excessive cursing, and a detailed discussion on what positions we'd like to f*** them in.

Modifié par dan107, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:46 .

[Endfan]

I hate it how he comes to rely on jokes mixed in with seriousness. I don't know he means sometimes; is he angry, sad, happy, asking for help, asking for an opinion, just talking? Feels like I'm walking a minefield talking with him sometimes.

Modifié par Endfan, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .

[pixichic07]

 I believe one of the character writers is -in fact- a female, so it's not surprising a character like Alistair exists. I personally adore his character, but as a person who has gone through several TERRIBLE relationships I can see how he would be the ideal man. Sarcastic, playful, slightly naughty (in private), boyish, but he also is of royal decent so women are like provider! Chaching! It's attractive when a man is not only kind and endearing, but he has a promising future. Its ingrained in most women to find the most attractive mate who could provide best for potential children. Lol so no wonder fangirls swoon. 

[Phex]

I liked Alistair at first, he's got it all: Divine looks and voice, romantic, sweet blah blah AND an innocent virgin as well... Exactly in what kind of world do all these things combine? Anyway, he may seem like a dream come true but in the end he's a naive whiner who treats his lover like a teenager boy.

I ended up dumping him and going for Leliana. Never looked back since!

[Nuegen]

Funny, out of everyone in the camp, he was easiest for me to talk to. It was like talking to a friend.



A lot of the times, you don't really need to say anything, just joke (because if you really talked about it, it would start getting too real and too scary then.) He is like almost every soldier going to war or coming out of one. A lot of things can be left unsaid, just as long as he knows you got his back and he will have yours. A guymance, war buddy movie, if you will.



Of course, thats how I percieved the relationship, playing as a male. Quite enjoyable and it made the relationship easy to play out.

[Herr Uhl]

pixichic07 wrote...

 I believe one of the character writers is -in fact- a female, so it's not surprising a character like Alistair exists. I personally adore his character, but as a person who has gone through several TERRIBLE relationships I can see how he would be the ideal man.

David Gaider wrote Alastair.

[Dahelia]

pixichic07 wrote...

 I believe one of the character writers is -in fact- a female, so it's not surprising a character like Alistair exists. I personally adore his character, but as a person who has gone through several TERRIBLE relationships I can see how he would be the ideal man. Sarcastic, playful, slightly naughty (in private), boyish, but he also is of royal decent so women are like provider! Chaching! It's attractive when a man is not only kind and endearing, but he has a promising future. Its ingrained in most women to find the most attractive mate who could provide best for potential children. Lol so no wonder fangirls swoon. 

David Gaider


I wrote Alistair, Morrigan, Zevran and Shale. Sheryl wrote Leliana,
Dog, Wynne and Oghren (although Jay Turner wrote a lot of Oghren as
well, I think). Mary wrote Sten and (the spoiler companion). Typically,
however, we each wrote of the lot of the other characters in the banter.

Dragon Age: Origins Wiki

In writing Alistair, David Gaider was inspired by Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Malcom Reynolds from Firefly.

A man wrote Alistair....lol and a woman wrote Sten....

[Herr Uhl]

Dahelia wrote...
A man wrote Alistair....lol and a woman wrote Sten....

That is because both Sheryl and Mary hates their own sex. They even started a club.