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Thanemancers and the Citadel DLC


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john-in-france

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Berty213 wrote...

http://social.biowar...dex/15961094/12

Chris Priestly wrote...

Citadel will take place anytime after the Citadel coup and before London on Earth.


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Edited to add: Thane is wounded at the end of the Citadel Coup, however his present deathbed scene happens afterwards.

Lucky femshep...
Jacob: Never a romance interest, just a booty call.
Thane: In love with femshep (recall the love letter from LoTSB) and he (may get/) gets ignored again.
Kaidan: Missing for most of ME3. Trust issues. (or dead on Virmire)
Garrus: Pretty cool BFF and could be interesting in the DLC for Shakarian shippers. (or dead on the Suicide mission)

For those who never saw the letter:

Siha,
I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.
Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.
I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry… for both our sakes.
The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon meeting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was simply content to watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.
I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.
I will await you across the sea.
Thane



Edited updates:
Merizzan tweeted that Thane is 'complicated and spoilery'.
then...
Jessica Merizzan: @Emeraldfern1 @mnomaha @JECW77 I don't want to dash or encourage hopes. That's why I really can't say anything at all :c

Bioware on the DLC in general: We listened to the fans.
Thanemancers and Thane fans to Bioware: Did you listen to us? We have hope that you did.


The Threads purpose.

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A) Will we get Thane content?
B) If so what gameplay conditions need to be met to save Thane from death by Kai Leng?
C) Have Bioware forgotten us?

Thoughts so far on conditions necessary for a different Kai Leng aftermath:

Save Kirrahe
in ME (Virmire) and ME3 (Surkesh), he is the default alternative to Thane in this fight. (Now considered unlikely as it would need a retcon)

Make sure that you have given the Alien medigel formula to Huerta Hospital (Found during N7 Cerberus lab).

Romanced Thane in ME2 and confirmed interest in ME3 (may not be necessary but plausible since this changes his outlook on dying). Or Thane must be loyal from ME2 if not romanced. Other ME2 characters can survive potential death depending on loyalty from ME2. Grunt and Zaeed for example.

Will Kasumis quest with the Hanar be relevent (it brings Drell into the war so the possibility of blood transfusions could be higher) - Unknown at this point.

Reddit leak: So far most of the leaked content on Reddit has turned out to be true, even the proposed release date. The leak also mentioned that we would end up visiting more Prothean ruins. On the BSN this has been assumed to be Illos. However long term players know that Illos has no new information and that Vigil is inoperative. Mars is not viable. Which leaves the biggest Prothean known ruins in the entire game....on Kahje!

Would Thane surviving the wound by Kai Leng add anything to this plotline? Almost certainly. Bioware often have characters give us extra information, take Jaavik on Thessia for example.

Cure for Keprals?
First many see that the in game description has changed between ME2 and ME3. However the Bioware wiki has not. . It still has the original description of the disease. It still mentions that the Hanar Primacy are researching a cure via gene therapy. It still states that they based the disease on cystic fibrosis.

This is where it gets interesting. Both in game descriptions are valid. There is a mutated form of cystic fibrosis that damages the protein chains and has the normal CF symptoms as well. Its treatment is currently medication, transplant and soon, gene therapy. The gene therapy is proving problematic due to delivery systems causing infections.

Would a visit to Kahje allow a cure? Unlikely, but possible, we all thought the genophage cure was years away.


Please do not insult Bioware writers on this thread. It is fine to say that you didn't agree with X, Y or Z, but don't make it personal.

Modifié par john-in-france, 25 février 2013 - 09:27 .


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LanceSolous13

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WHAT?!

Gah.

My poor fem!shep.

At least my Bro!Shep gets Miranda back hopefully?

EDIT: Well, if they edit in an out for Thane so he can survive, It could still work. Really reaching but I would be thankful.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 22 février 2013 - 08:55 .


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That's a hazard when dating the terminally ill, they tend to die on you.

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Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.

If you can have Jacob in the DLC before meeting him the actual game, rekindling that romance only to have him dump you is worse.

If you must have met Jacob before hand to get him to appear, well he dumped you so no new content from him.

Not trying to make the Thane issue seems better, just saying you guys are not alone.

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Menzen tweeted that Thane is 'complicated and spoilery'.

Could we still have hope?

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Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.


All 3 of them?

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Legbiter wrote...

That's a hazard when dating the terminally ill, they tend to die on you.


Yes, they do. However this DLC is being described as re-uniting you with ME1/2 team mates and rekindling old romances. I see no reason why a last date with Thane before the Coup would not be possible.

I'm not talking about changing the outcome of the KL fight. Though that could be a possibility.

The equivalent would be to say to the male fans....oh and by the way, no Miranda.

Modifié par john-in-france, 23 février 2013 - 10:23 .


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Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.


I always felt sad for the Jacobmancers in ME3, that was pretty harsh. I think once again it was based on the Renegade romance arc, where Jacobs dialogue suggested a booty call, whereas his relationship to Paragon femshep seemed more solid.

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john-in-france wrote...

Yes, they do. However this DLC is being described as re-uniting you with ME1/2 team mates and rekindling old romances. 


Maybe they'll have a wheezing hologram of Thane delivering a final message. 

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Legbiter wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.


All 3 of them?


That doesn't justify alienating a romance path and pandering to blatant racial sterotypes. It makes the entire ME2 romance absolutely pointless.

Nothing justifies what happened there. I'm no fan of Jacob (I don't hate him either, no opinion), but that is not how you should handel something like that. It was pathetic and lazy.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Menzen tweeted that Thane is 'complicated and spoilery'.

Could we still have hope?


Interesting. I wonder if Kirrahe does the KL fight instead, leaving Thane alive. Though to get that you have to ignore Thane at the hospital, and my femshep wouldn't be able too...

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Just because Thane is gone, it doesnt mean there wont be anything concerning him. His son is still alive and on the citadel. Spending some time with him could make for some nice bittersweet moments.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.


All 3 of them?


That doesn't justify alienating a romance path and pandering to blatant racial sterotypes. It makes the entire ME2 romance absolutely pointless.


So, Jacob needs affirmative action to offset his unfair romance arc? ;)

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Yep. Pretty pathetic.

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Who cares about Thanemancers. They are just Necromancers now.

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Ahhh Trolls....

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Hmm... hoping that the Thanemancers will get something good with the dlc. I'm pretty much over Jacob by now. Romanced him with two FemSheps and was quite heartbroken when I first got ME3. It is one thing that he leaves, I cannot get past the way he just speaks to her. He just sounds so petty and angry/mean. His current flame can keep him. Would however be happy to see the FemSheps who romanced Thane get something special out of this.

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SilentK wrote...

 It is one thing that he leaves, I cannot get past the way he just speaks to her. He just sounds so petty and angry/mean. His current flame can keep him. 


The Jacob dialogue was pretty rough, it made me happy that I hadn't romanced him...no offense.

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john-in-france wrote...

SilentK wrote...

 It is one thing that he leaves, I cannot get past the way he just speaks to her. He just sounds so petty and angry/mean. His current flame can keep him. 


The Jacob dialogue was pretty rough, it made me happy that I hadn't romanced him...no offense.


Ha ha   :lol:   no problem. If I romance him again in ME2 he will probably have an tragic arranged accident in the SM.

I found Jacob's romance in ME2 to be really good, then he felt like a solid guy, a steady rock in a stormy sea for my little FemShep. Well, we all know how that turned out. Don't really recognize him that much in the ME3-version. But life ain't that bad, got over that and there's Kaidan, Liara Garrus and Sam to keep my FemShep's happy.

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Legbiter wrote...

That's a hazard when dating the terminally ill, they tend to die on you.


yeah, of terminal illness

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SilentK wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

SilentK wrote...

 It is one thing that he leaves, I cannot get past the way he just speaks to her. He just sounds so petty and angry/mean. His current flame can keep him. 


The Jacob dialogue was pretty rough, it made me happy that I hadn't romanced him...no offense.


Ha ha   :lol:   no problem. If I romance him again in ME2 he will probably have an tragic arranged accident in the SM.

I found Jacob's romance in ME2 to be really good, then he felt like a solid guy, a steady rock in a stormy sea for my little FemShep. Well, we all know how that turned out. Don't really recognize him that much in the ME3-version. But life ain't that bad, got over that and there's Kaidan, Liara Garrus and Sam to keep my FemShep's happy.


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I never even romanced Garrus until ME3 came out...he was always my BFF. Kaidan makes my fist itch and I always have an intense longing to slug him one on Mars, I had to go back to ME and get him killed on Virmire for my own sanity.
As a friend Jacob was great, I just never felt interested in him as a romance.

If the DLC does feature Thane...I have 23 Thanemancing ME2 playthroughs to keep me happy.

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Look, Bioware isn't stupid, they aren't just going to disinclude ONE character from the ME Squads in the trilogy. I'm sure they've come up w/ a creative way to provide content for Thane.

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lyssalu wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

That's a hazard when dating the terminally ill, they tend to die on you.


yeah, of terminal illness


Yeah but its Science Fiction so there is always hope that writers can do whatever the heck they want!

I mean Shepard died between ME1 and ME2.

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I hope something good will come from this dlc for the Thanemancers and Jacobmancers. Especially Jacob since I think his romance arc is by far the cruelest. I hope they overwrite the original scene when you met him first time around in ME3. Altering a few lines there (a situation where he doesn't cheat on you) and you're all set for that Citadel date.

As for Thanemancers,, here's to hoping for a different alternative to KL fight. Or maybe getting one last date before the coup at the very least. I know the story plot of this dlc is after Udina's coup and before going to earth, but who knows there will be things you can still do before the actual mission from the dlc kicks in? (Playing in the casino anyone? I can imagine that feature will be available as soon as we can explore Citadel)

I'm neither a romancer to both characters, but I can sympathize. I remember those years worrying about Kaidan when ME2 went out, will he make it in ME3 as squaddie or will they butcher his character or not, etc etc.. The agony of it all.
So yes, here's to hoping for all you mancers out there, hope you all get the content you've been hoping for in this up coming dlc ;)

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Any more Thanemancers out there?