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[Roxy]

jtav wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

Nope. And the attitude of his fans managed to completely turn me off him.

I think we had every right to have this "attitude" when BioWare just killed him off and we got no option to save him like the other LI's and people were telling us to "Deal with it" and "You knew he was dying" bs. His death was not set in stone in ME2. And not everybody wanted a tragedy relationship with Thane,if they would have given us options it would be different but obviously it didn't go that way.

[Vlk3]

@ JECW , RShara

Ok, I understand now and I agree. If it was handled better from the beginning and Shepard's behaviour would be more fitting through the rest of the game, I wouldn't feel so . ..cheated and insulted. I'd still want Thane to live, but I wouldn't feel that BioWare decided just to ignore Thane fans and give them nothing . Now I feel that they just want to create games for male players, who choose their favourite characters to romance, who make the "canon" choices. I feel that I, as a customer, am disposable.

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I wanted a happy or bittersweet ending just as other players did. Why would I want my LI to be killed and all hopes shattered? I never asked for a special treatment, and some people here on BSN seem to believe that saving Thane would make this story too happy and Thane being alive equals with special or even better treatment. No, it would be equal treatment. Adding now exteneded death scene or condolences from crew would still not solve the problem, because what others get is much much better and even though I haven't seen the DLC yet, I'm sure it will be enjoyable. No matter what is there for Thane fans, if there is something, it will not be enjoyable unless it introudeces a possibility of his survival.

And I really hope BioWare understands that the whole point of playing computer games is entertainment. It can be sad at times, not everything should be perfect in story, but it shouldn't be so depressing. If others get something from this game, I want the same, without being forced to like Garrus or Kaidan and forget about Thane.

Modifié par Vlk3, 24 février 2013 - 12:46 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

...The Citadel DLC and this thread made me want to break my silence -- which is a rare occurence, I assure you.

I can most definitely tell that I did not expect Thane to die when I started romancing him back in ME2. First, there were several cure hints here and there; second, all previous Bioware games seemed to send a 'nothing really bad would happen to your LI' message. A LI in Baldur's Gate would be killed by Bodhi, but resurrected by the protagonist. Bastila can turn to a Dark Side, but Revan can bring her back.

By the time ME3 had hit the shelves I already knew that Thane would die, and I was ready for the tragedy and changed my expectations accordingly -- but I thought that the tradegy would, at least, be well-written. Thane being OOC, a weak dialogue in the Huerta hospital that made me cringe, small things here and there -- like 'I have come to visit Kaidan' -- and lack of acknowledgement later on were very disappointing.

Realistically speaking, I think we may expect the following from the DLC:

-- an achievement;
-- some sort of acknowledgement of Thane's death, maybe a conversation with squadmates;
-- some tiny memo, like a photo on a desk in our new Citadel apartment;
-- some sort of information about Thane in the Citadel archives or an acknowledgement of him saving a salarian Councilor (which was kinda a big deal);
-- maybe -- just maybe -- a conversation with Kolyat.

Mind you, I do not think it's possible to get all these things from the DLC. Just one or two at best.

I am not sure whether modifying the death scene is something Bioware would even consider; I think the answer is no. Plus, I am not sure I actually want that because I do not know who would be able to write Thane properly; what's the point in getting more Thane lines if they are cringe-worthy?

[TheWerdna]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.

If you can have Jacob in the DLC before meeting him the actual game, rekindling that romance only to have him dump you is worse.

If you must have met Jacob before hand to get him to appear, well he dumped you so no new content from him.

Not trying to make the Thane issue seems better, just saying you guys are not alone.

The only issue is that Jacobmancers don't exist.

[KiwiQuiche]

I was fully expecting Thane to die; I just didn't expect everyone to forget he ever existed after he did, Femshep included.

[RGC_Ines]

crimzontearz wrote...

OK so......

just out of masochistic curiosity WHY exactly should people who so desire actually SAVE Thane? given the right condition like for brokering the get/quarian peace why not? really I am baffled at why some people would be opposed

just out of  curiosity WHY exactly should people who so desire actually SAVE Miranda, Jack, VS in a stand-off ?

[Hey]

I was moved by Thanes death. The affect could have been cascaded better I think.
but... Shepard is obviously not a mortal

[Alien Number Six]

More Thane would be great. I liked him. I hope when I die I go with as much strength and dignity.

[john-in-france]

TheWerdna wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Well you're not alone, Jacobmancers get screwed again too.

If you can have Jacob in the DLC before meeting him the actual game, rekindling that romance only to have him dump you is worse.

If you must have met Jacob before hand to get him to appear, well he dumped you so no new content from him.

Not trying to make the Thane issue seems better, just saying you guys are not alone.

The only issue is that Jacobmancers don't exist.

Don't troll the Jacobmancers, they had it worse than us.

[john-in-france]

Whilst I am not sure that Bioware would save Thane from death by Kai Leng, just for the fanbase...they might for plotline. This occurred to me last night.
Moving forward into the conspiracy plotline.

Reddit leak: So far most of the leaked content on Reddit has turned out to be true, even the proposed release date.

The leak also mentioned that we would end up visiting more Prothean ruins. On the BSN this has been assumed to be Illos. However long term players know that Illos has no new information and the Vigil is inoperative. Mars is not viable. Which leaves the biggest Prothean known ruins in the entire game....on Kahje!

So what does this mean for Thanemancers if true?

Worst case scenario: We take Thane back to Kahje for his funeral. I hate to say that, but it is possible.

If Bioware have trolled us since the beginning, and deliberately only showed the outcome of the KL fight as the unloyal option (precedent: Zaeed, Jacob, Miranda and Grunt can all die if not loyal from ME2), whilst working on the Citadel DLC script. The best case scenario may be interesting.

Why is Kahje a possibility for Thanes survival?
Often we have ways of getting information that rely on team mates. Zaeed and the Blue Suns, Kasumi and the Hanar conspiracy. Thane worked for the Primacy, even when he went independent after his marriage to Irikah, he mainly worked for Hanar. Indeed, he even says that he has close Hanar friends.

In ME2 the Hanar Primacy is working on a cure for Keprals, which means that in canon there is a possible cure. It is not space magic.

Thane going to Kahje may open doors that would otherwise be closed. My guess is the alternative would be Kolyat if Thane does not survive KL.

If we do go to Kahje and Thane is in our team, then for maximum fun...Thane and Jaavik as ground team.
 

[RShara]

I have no hope any longer.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I was a Thanemancer. This should be fun see Thane was taken by a seeker swarm because Miranda "I'm perfect any biotic can hold the field" couldn't hold the field, and Legion wasn't loyal. So I went back to Liara. And is there supposed to be a confrontation between the two.

So in this DLC I'm with Liara, and this delivery shows up with this plexiglass container of gray goop labeled Thane, and Liara starts talking to it.

Liara: So Thane, I understand you were with Shepard. Do you still have feelings for her?
Thane: .....
Liara: I'm not getting anything from you, Thane.
Thane: .....
Shepard: Liara, why are you talking to a container of gray goop?
Liara: Because Casey Hudson said that I have to sound like an idiot in this scene. Shepard, who do you choose? Thane or me?
Shepard: Liara, I've always chosen you, we were on break because your writers made you so cold when we first met in the last game.
Liara: That's because other people wrote me, just like there are other people who write me in this game.
Shepard: Then how do I know when it is really you.
Liara: when you feel my love you know it is really me. When I act like I don't know you someone else wrote me.
Shepard: Wow.
Liara: It's not just me either. Did you know that they gave some of my lines to Samantha?
Shepard: The toothbrush?
Liara: No, that was stupid. They gave her the smart lines like tracking Kai Leng so she would be smarter than Kelly Chambers 2.0 and they did it at my expense.
Shepard: Those bastards!
Liara: Now you understand. By the way, who are you?

[Demoiselle]

I never romanced Thane, but on my first few playthroughs I was shocked at how little anyone seemed to care about Thanes death even without a romance. Seriously Garrus, Kaiden survived every time and I wouldn't have shot Ashley if I cared there. Can we talk about our friend that actually died!? So yeah, it's not just Thanemancers who just wanted him to live, lots of people think the problem was the content and execution of his death. Seriously SpaceBatman, no hugs for our mourning Shep?

[john-in-france]

RShara wrote...

I have no hope any longer.

To give you hope, when all seems lost...




Hugs...I have enough hope for all of us...if I'm right the artist who painted that picture may have been inspired. Sorry I don't have their name. If it is your picture...thank you!

[john-in-france]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I was a Thanemancer. This should be fun see Thane was taken by a seeker swarm because Miranda "I'm perfect any biotic can hold the field" couldn't hold the field

Was Miranda loyal? I ask because a loyal Thane can hold the field as long as you keep pressing forwards quickly. (you end up helping him at the end.) I am unsure but there may be a hidden timer/loyalty test for Biotics other than Samara and Jack.

[LTKerr]

john-in-france wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I was a Thanemancer. This should be fun see Thane was taken by a seeker swarm because Miranda "I'm perfect any biotic can hold the field" couldn't hold the field

Was Miranda loyal? I ask because a loyal Thane can hold the field as long as you keep pressing forwards quickly. (you end up helping him at the end.) I am unsure but there may be a hidden timer/loyalty test for Biotics other than Samara and Jack.

Only loyal Samara or Jack can hold the biotic field. If you use any other biotic for that purpose like Miranda, one of your two squad members (Thane, in his/her case) dies.

Modifié par LTKerr, 24 février 2013 - 09:41 .

[john-in-france]

LTKerr wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I was a Thanemancer. This should be fun see Thane was taken by a seeker swarm because Miranda "I'm perfect any biotic can hold the field" couldn't hold the field

Was Miranda loyal? I ask because a loyal Thane can hold the field as long as you keep pressing forwards quickly. (you end up helping him at the end.) I am unsure but there may be a hidden timer/loyalty test for Biotics other than Samara and Jack.

Only loyal Samara or Jack can hold the biotic field. If you use any other biotic for that purpose like Miranda, one of your two squad members (Thane, in his/her case) dies.

I honestly can't remember if anyone died on that one, other than I know that Thane didn't. It was most likely my Lone Survivor Renegade who has Miranda issues...I did have a Miranda death on first playthrough , never forgave her for the chip comment. I normally pick Samara.

Yes. Just went and looked at my RPG notes (I RPG most playthroughs with little summaries about the character). Miranda died as she was unloyal during the biotic specialist part of the mission. I must actually import that save to ME3, it has some nice alternative scenarios in it. If you hadn't reminded me it would have been forgotten. Thanks

Modifié par john-in-france, 24 février 2013 - 09:58 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Demoiselle wrote...

I never romanced Thane, but on my first few playthroughs I was shocked at how little anyone seemed to care about Thanes death even without a romance. Seriously Garrus, Kaiden survived every time and I wouldn't have shot Ashley if I cared there. Can we talk about our friend that actually died!? So yeah, it's not just Thanemancers who just wanted him to live, lots of people think the problem was the content and execution of his death. Seriously SpaceBatman, no hugs for our mourning Shep?

Seconded.  I didn't romance Thane in either playthrough.  I didn't even like him at first   Garrus had the sniper spot on my first Shepard's team and she was a biotic, so I initially never took Thane anywhere.  I wound up using him a lot in my ManShep's playthrough, and he grew on me.

If by some miracle there IS more Thane content in Citadel, I hope it hinges on loyalty and not on romance.  He was my ManShep's epic sniper bro, and I was so mad when there was no mention of his death in ME3 during that playthrough.

[john-in-france]

I have added loyalty from ME2 to the list on the front page as an alternative to romancing him.

[Andromedamnit]

Hey all, new to this forum but had to speak out on a topic close to my heart. The way Thane was handled in ME3 ruined the whole game series for me. I loved every second up to that point and was so immersed. I avoided spoilers and was convinced from subtle clues in 2 they would give us some way to save him (and to be honest I'm not the most observant gamer ever )...but in the end there was no choice. Before his death in 3 his character had changed to become unrecognisable but the real killer was the lack of recognition that he had died from your friends and comrades - the people my Shep loved almost as much (Liara, Garrus etc). Their lack of acknowledgement was so uncaring and unrealistic it totally kicked me out of full immersion and made me dislike them as people. I eventually managed to finish ME3 several months later but was oddly relieved when Shep died at the end, it felt like a welcome release from her grief which stayed with her to the end. Really, really hope they have some new content in this DLC which is true to romanced Thane from ME2... that would help to heal a few wounds.

[d1ta]

Here's to hoping for you Thanemancers will be pleasantly surprised by the upcoming DLC *hugs*

And may others in the ME3 universe acknowledge his pressence too, be it in life (survives in ME3) or in death. I may not take him often on missions in ME2 since I play as infiltrator (nor make him a LI since Kaidan will always take that spot for me, heh XD.. ), but he's also one of my fem!Shep's best friend since I talk to him quite often and just stops before the romance arc kicks in. During my ME2 PT, my headcanon dictates that while Thane pours his heart out over Irikah and Kolyat, my fem!Shep cries over him about Horizon XD I call it the 'Life Support Pity Party'.. =p
So I got sad when the Salarians didn't announce their 'Thank You' on Thane for saving their Councilor. Even Ashley got her award for sacrificing her life in Virmire (you can hear it via the news broadcast in ME2)

[john-in-france]

d1ta wrote...

Here's to hoping for you Thanemancers will be pleasantly surprised by the upcoming DLC *hugs*

And may others in the ME3 universe acknowledge his pressence too, be it in life (survives in ME3) or in death. I may not take him often on missions in ME2 since I play as infiltrator (nor make him a LI since Kaidan will always take that spot for me, heh XD.. ), but he's also one of my fem!Shep's best friend since I talk to him quite often and just stops before the romance arc kicks in. During my ME2 PT, my headcanon dictates that while Thane pours his heart out over Irikah and Kolyat, my fem!Shep cries over him about Horizon XD I call it the 'Life Support Pity Party'.. =p
So I got sad when the Salarians didn't announce their 'Thank You' on Thane for saving their Councilor. Even Ashley got her award for sacrificing her life in Virmire (you can hear it via the news broadcast in ME2)

You can easily avoid the romance arc and continue talking to Thane until he runs out of dialogue. Just avoid the 'Just friends huh' and 'I want you Thane' lines.

He is a pretty good friend and I always thought that he'd have that talk about Shepard being dead...you know, the other topic avoided like the plague.
Life Support Pity Party

[Zerker]

So, you want the f.ck a lizard and you are sad you didn't get to.

[Vlk3]

I'm more interested in his survival and ability to talk with him about events in ME3, such as my resolution for geth/quarian conflict.

But weak minds would not understand that anyway.

[john-in-france]

Your grip of the English language astounds me.

F.ck: to deal inconsiderately with. Sexual intercourse without consideration for the pleasure of the other partner. Chambers English Dictionary.

No. I am 100% certain that no Thane fan or romancer is interested in f.cking a lizard.