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[john-in-france]

@ Thraesul and Hisilome:
The problem was and still is that it wasn't, not from a LI point of view! For an unromanced, accepting of his fate Thane it was PERFECT!! For a romanced Thane who WANTED to live, it could not have been more wrong!

and

I won't be content with another letter from Thane or a discussion with his son... that much is sure. No other fan of the other LIs would accept that either. 

  This!

Modifié par john-in-france, 24 février 2013 - 03:55 .

[d1ta]

@dreman9999: I think what the Thanemancers here are wishing is just a OPTION, a way out so that Thane does not die in game, pretty much like what the rest of the LI's got. If you're arguing about something that is 'canon' to the ME3, then you can pretty much treat it like the story arc of the Krogans (Wrex or Wreave, genophage cured or not cured), Rannoch (Quarian dies, Geth dies, or achieving Peace). Each path is different but every one of them is valid.

This is just my idea to save the ache of the rest who adamantly wants Thane's fate remain the same, why not just treat it similliar to Miranda's romance arc? (If you tell her it's over then she dies at Cronos). Unromanced/break-up Thane will pretty much be the same, no change at all. While a romanced Thane gets an OPTION to be (somewhat) saved (maybe something just to prolong his life although not a complete cure). Make his 'search for cure' mission a timed mission too, so at the end of the day the players will get 3 outcomes:
1. Thane dies protecting the Salarian Councilor
2. Romanced!Thane dies peacefully (or dies during his specific mission to add a sense of 'a little too late' on it) but other Drells benefit from said mission
3. Romanced!Thane lives

This is about shaping a story (where a lot of weird stuff happens but we still enjoy the ride anyway. One example is Shep being brought back from the dead) and your story will no doubt be different than mine, we have different Shepards and different ways of interpretating the ME Universe that Sdhepard lives in. And my principal belief on RPG is and will always be: the more choices there is, the better.

Pls don't take offence, this is just my 0.02 creds only

PS: If my ideas are poorly worded, I appologise. It's difficult typing a whole block of lines here when you're typing with a phone :/

[Hisilome]

Beautifully written, d1ta!! And right to the point, as well!!

[crimzontearz]

RGC_Ines wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

OK so......

just out of masochistic curiosity WHY exactly should people who so desire actually SAVE Thane? given the right condition like for brokering the get/quarian peace why not? really I am baffled at why some people would be opposed

just out of  curiosity WHY exactly should people who so desire actually SAVE Miranda, Jack, VS in a stand-off ?

there was supposed to be a "not" in there

[john-in-france]

d1ta wrote...

@dreman9999: I think what the Thanemancers here are wishing is just a OPTION, a way out so that Thane does not die in game, pretty much like what the rest of the LI's got. If you're arguing about something that is 'canon' to the ME3, then you can pretty much treat it like the story arc of the Krogans (Wrex or Wreave, genophage cured or not cured), Rannoch (Quarian dies, Geth dies, or achieving Peace). Each path is different but every one of them is valid.

This is just my idea to save the ache of the rest who adamantly wants Thane's fate remain the same, why not just treat it similliar to Miranda's romance arc? (If you tell her it's over then she dies at Cronos). Unromanced/break-up Thane will pretty much be the same, no change at all. While a romanced Thane gets an OPTION to be (somewhat) saved (maybe something just to prolong his life although not a complete cure). Make his 'search for cure' mission a timed mission too, so at the end of the day the players will get 3 outcomes:
1. Thane dies protecting the Salarian Councilor
2. Romanced!Thane dies peacefully (or dies during his specific mission to add a sense of 'a little too late' on it) but other Drells benefit from said mission
3. Romanced!Thane lives

This is about shaping a story (where a lot of weird stuff happens but we still enjoy the ride anyway. One example is Shep being brought back from the dead) and your story will no doubt be different than mine, we have different Shepards and different ways of interpretating the ME Universe that Sdhepard lives in. And my principal belief on RPG is and will always be: the more choices there is, the better.

Pls don't take offence, this is just my 0.02 creds only

PS: If my ideas are poorly worded, I appologise. It's difficult typing a whole block of lines here when you're typing with a phone :/

That is exactly what the thread is about!

We don't expect it to be easy, nothing worth having is, we just think there should be options. I fully expected Thane to be similar to Miranda in how it was handled. Not necessarily a cure for Keprals...though it would be nice.

When Miranda died, Tali went on a drinking spree and got well and truly pickled through her emergency induction port. There were other crew reactions as well.

[Missy_MI]

Some fans probably roll their eyes at the thought of a 'magic' cure to kepral's syndrome. But to me it's no more ridiculous than the 'magic' Crucible.

At any rate, I'm going to agree to disagree on this one I think, because the debate is starting to get a bit heated.

Topic: Since we don't know one way or the other if there will be any new Thane content, I'm going to hope for one extra conversation. Anything more will be a pleasant surprise.

[Ykulnu]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

That really isn't a fair photo. Jack, Kelly, and Diana have next to NOTHING in ME3 in terms of content, like Jacob and Thane. That doesn't mean that I don't think FemShep gets the short stick when it comes to romances, but 4 to 6 isn't hardly as bad as that photo would make it out to be.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 24 février 2013 - 04:25 .

[john-in-france]

Missy_MI wrote...

Topic: Since we don't know one way or the other if there will be any new Thane content, I'm going to hope for one extra conversation. Anything more will be a pleasant surprise.

Yes, it would be nice. An in character conversation for Thanes friends or lover.

We are developing nervous twitches over another letter or visit from Kolyat...

[john-in-france]

Ykulnu wrote...

That really isn't a fair photo. Jack, Kelly, and Diana have next to NOTHING in ME3 in terms of content, like Jacob and Thane. That doesn't mean that I don't think FemShep gets the short stick when it comes to romances, but 4 to 6 isn't hardly as bad as that photo would make it out to be.

Ummm. Jacob dumps Shepard within seconds of meeting her, so really it is 3 to 6 in your terms.

Personally I'd rather Bioware gave more time to Jack since she was a real LI with Paramour achievement, and Thane as a LI because...the Garrus romance is pretty solid, and Kaidan's has a fair amount of gametime (or he is dead).

Modifié par john-in-france, 24 février 2013 - 04:32 .

[dreman9999]

john-in-france wrote...

Dreman9999 it is obvious that you have not played the game as a Paragon Femshep who romanced Thane. Please go away and do so. Perhaps then you would appreciate that Thanes personality changed by the end of ME2. He did not want to die.

The Thane of ME3 is a reversion to pre-romanced Thane who is fatalistic. Now that may be down to failed Import coding or Bioware writing Thane as the default Maleshep Renegade companion from ME2. We shall most likely never know.

I appreciate your opinion of Terminal Illness. I have a different opinion, as do others on this thread. We shall have to agree to disagree. I am a Biomedical Engineer, what may be described as a terminal illness one year may just become a chronic illness the next due to new medical breakthroughs.

A cure for Keprals in the Protean ruins? Who knows...we did find a pretty good Reaper Bomb last time we went looking.

Yes, I have. Which why I can say they messed up the pre death romance. It's you just don't get he was alwaysdoing to die.

And with Terminal illnesses itnot a case of different opinions. If they is no cure for it, the person dies. No cure came up...Thane died.

You of all people should know that a terminal illness only changes to a chronical one if a cure or way to lenthen the effects of said illness is found.

None of that happen withThane's illness...Thus he died.

[dreman9999]

d1ta wrote...

@dreman9999: I think what the Thanemancers here are wishing is just a OPTION, a way out so that Thane does not die in game, pretty much like what the rest of the LI's got. If you're arguing about something that is 'canon' to the ME3, then you can pretty much treat it like the story arc of the Krogans (Wrex or Wreave, genophage cured or not cured), Rannoch (Quarian dies, Geth dies, or achieving Peace). Each path is different but every one of them is valid.

This is just my idea to save the ache of the rest who adamantly wants Thane's fate remain the same, why not just treat it similliar to Miranda's romance arc? (If you tell her it's over then she dies at Cronos). Unromanced/break-up Thane will pretty much be the same, no change at all. While a romanced Thane gets an OPTION to be (somewhat) saved (maybe something just to prolong his life although not a complete cure). Make his 'search for cure' mission a timed mission too, so at the end of the day the players will get 3 outcomes:
1. Thane dies protecting the Salarian Councilor
2. Romanced!Thane dies peacefully (or dies during his specific mission to add a sense of 'a little too late' on it) but other Drells benefit from said mission
3. Romanced!Thane lives

This is about shaping a story (where a lot of weird stuff happens but we still enjoy the ride anyway. One example is Shep being brought back from the dead) and your story will no doubt be different than mine, we have different Shepards and different ways of interpretating the ME Universe that Sdhepard lives in. And my principal belief on RPG is and will always be: the more choices there is, the better.

Pls don't take offence, this is just my 0.02 creds only

PS: If my ideas are poorly worded, I appologise. It's difficult typing a whole block of lines here when you're typing with a phone :/

And that is the problem. That option was closed off from the start.
I understand you want that the option but he isa character written to die.
In ME2, Thane wasstated to die toa terminal illness that cure was far from being done.
In ME3, no cure came up or wayto lengthhis life...Thus he died, as intended.

[LilyasAvalon]

Poor straight FemSheps, I mean, aside from Garrus, whose romance without any DLC was pretty perfect, everyone else pretty much got the short end of stick.

[john-in-france]

Dreman9999 you are becoming a troll.

You have stated your views, multiple times. Thank you.
Leave others to their viewpoints and opinions please. If this thread displeases you so, save yourself the stress and move on.

Modifié par john-in-france, 24 février 2013 - 05:14 .

[archangel1996]

DLC or not, everyone should have the opportunity to have time with the LI
3 mintues with them and then.... Bye until London..
Seriously, how can Thane LI has more or less the same things to say like a Thane not LI?
Better than the quickie with Miranda, at least.....

[Ykulnu]

john-in-france wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

That really isn't a fair photo. Jack, Kelly, and Diana have next to NOTHING in ME3 in terms of content, like Jacob and Thane. That doesn't mean that I don't think FemShep gets the short stick when it comes to romances, but 4 to 6 isn't hardly as bad as that photo would make it out to be.

Ummm. Jacob dumps Shepard within seconds of meeting her, so really it is 3 to 6 in your terms.

If you want to talk about the quality of the content of the LIs, then you can't even have Jacob and Thane together because they are completely opposite in terms of closure and affection. The only way that picture makes sense is by reflecting upon quantity of content. If that's the case, then this picture is pretty skewed. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because I agreed in my last post that the amount of LIs is unbalanced. Especially for a straight FemShep.The picture doesn't communicate that very well, though.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 24 février 2013 - 05:15 .

[Oransel]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You can save her.
2. When wasitshowed she died in the final mission.

Well, we were left in the dark about her and I am 90% sure she died on Citadel

Modifié par Oransel, 24 février 2013 - 05:53 .

[john-in-france]

Ykulnu wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

That really isn't a fair photo. Jack, Kelly, and Diana have next to NOTHING in ME3 in terms of content, like Jacob and Thane. That doesn't mean that I don't think FemShep gets the short stick when it comes to romances, but 4 to 6 isn't hardly as bad as that photo would make it out to be.

Ummm. Jacob dumps Shepard within seconds of meeting her, so really it is 3 to 6 in your terms.

If you want to talk about the quality of the content of the LIs, then you can't even have Jacob and Thane together because they are completely opposite in terms of closure and affection. The only way that picture makes sense is by reflecting upon quantity of content. If that's the case, then this picture is pretty skewed. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because I agreed in my last post that the amount of LIs is unbalanced. Especially for a straight FemShep.The picture doesn't communicate that very well, though.

 I know. It was not my picture.

Technically Liara is not a straight or lesbian interest since Asari are mono-gendered. There would have to be a third group. Official LIs and flings should also be seperate. It gets messy.

I do understand where the designer was coming from though.

Let us hope that the DLC brings some good scenes for all LIs and a great conspiracy plotline, that will make us say...Bioware did good.

Modifié par john-in-france, 24 février 2013 - 05:30 .

[Elista]

When Thane dies, nobody on the ship says a word about him. Garrus talks about how it would have been hard to kill a friend (Kaidan), Traynor wants to have a shower with you... (God, I was almost crying and she was joking and trying to seduce my Femshep... wanted to kick her by an airlock, with Diana Allers if possible).

Thane has just been forgotten in ME3. No need to search coherence where there is only a lack of writing. Hope they will fix that in the DLC even if I highly doubt it will happen.

[Terraforming2154]

Elista wrote...

When Thane dies, nobody on the ship says a word about him. Garrus talks about how it would have been hard to kill a friend (Kaidan), Traynor wants to have a shower with you... (God, I was almost crying and she was joking and trying to seduce my Femshep... wanted to kick her by an airlock, with Diana Allers if possible).

Thane has just been forgotten in ME3. No need to search coherence where there is only a lack of writing. Hope they will fix that in the DLC even if I highly doubt it will happen.

.

I think that is the worst, that you can't even mourn him.
I didn't romance Thane, but when I saw Garrus standing by the memorial after the Citadel Coup, I thought for sure he was going to talk about him. When he started on about Ash, who was alive and well and back on the ship, it just felt...unnecessary.  We had just lost a crewmate, he should have been remembered too.

I hope you guys get something for him in this DLC, I really do.

[john-in-france]

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

[EnaShepard]

john-in-france wrote...

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

I hope it's not too bad and that he'll recover quickly
Courage!

[dreman9999]

Oransel wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You can save her.
2. When wasitshowed she died in the final mission.

Well, we were left in the dark about her and I am 90% sure she died on Citadel

BW 100% said she did not die.

[dreman9999]

john-in-france wrote...

Dreman9999 you are becoming a troll.

You have stated your views, multiple times. Thank you.
Leave others to their viewpoints and opinions please. If this thread displeases you so, save yourself the stress and move on.

I'm not being a troll.  I'm not say you can have you veiwpoint. I'm just saying be realistic with them.
If a character say they are dieing from a terminal illness, and then later dies from it their is little there to say it was not expected.
I'm not say what is done there is 100% fantastic and needs no work. Thane arc need alot of work. That I 100% agree with. But his death is  a different thing all together.

It was expected.