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[Thrazesul]

john-in-france wrote...

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

Sorry to hear that, hope he gets better soon!

[Demoiselle]

dreman9999 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Has it ever hit any of you that the reason Thane attracted so many people is because of the maturity of his character?

I know death, and I surely do not need to be taught it by any of you or by BioWare. I find it quite insulting when people/BioWare try to lecture me on the subject.

I will never understand why there couldn't be an optional outcome for Thane. Thane is a video game character in a RPG game.

None the less, I think it's time for BioWare to grow up and realize in whom they are dealing with on this subject. I don't want to hear about "Space Magic," "It would cheapen his character," or whatever else nonsense they want to sum up. I want the truth. I am far too old, and far too experience to hear such bs.

Nicely put.
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Nope. He is just asking for a magic cure for him Like most Thanemancers are. Itlike the first time he tels you he is dieing and the moment after when he tells you he has a terminal illness doesnot regester to you.

AHEM. Okay. THAT IS NOT WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING. A lot of peoples problem is not that he died, but HOW tthe game treated his death - ie the squad and Shep themself NEVER mentioning it.

[Roxy]

john-in-france wrote...

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

I hope everything is/will be alright I will be praying for him.

[d1ta]

dreman9999 wrote...

And that is the problem. That option was closed off from the start.
I understand you want that the option but he isa character written to die.
In ME2, Thane wasstated to die toa terminal illness that cure was far from being done.
In ME3, no cure came up or wayto lengthhis life...Thus he died, as intended.

If you meant by that sentence that I personally will take the path of rescuing Thane should there be an option to do so in a ROMANCED path, then my answer is 'No'.
Because he is not my LI (yes, yes,.. I'm a that kind of person that sticks to the same old LI every time. Now don't judge me! =p..)

I wrote those ideas because I know what it was like to be attached to a certain fictional character and since this is pretty much a game, it is literaly up to the writters wether or not they want to add another branch to the story. It's a game and it's meant to be enjoyed. If the vanilla game fits your play through and you're happy with it, then good for you.
However, keep in mind that other players play it differently and they do not share your mind set.

I get what you're saying about the 'he's written from the start to die', but I think it was also written from the get go that Quarians can't survive without their suit or a mere rupture can be hazardous, but hey, pump some antibiotics and Tali gets to hump the Commander =p. Yes, she does gets sick afterwards, but it's just like having a cold. No big deal.
And if the Quarians survived Rannoch, right then and there Tali opens her mask and took a breath of fresh air. Which I thought she told me before (ME2 I think. Memories are a bit wonky) that even if they manage to reclaim Rannoch, it'd still take them years to get them acclimated. But for symbolic purpose, mask away...

Another example is from ME1, when Wrex was distraught at the beginning of Virmire mission and he explained to Shepard that Saren's facility is the only one that can solve the genophage problem. But ME2 came, the 'genophage cure' becomes Mordin's LM and in ME3 the option to cure the genophage or not is there.

The bottom line is this, you are met with a challenge and it is pretty much up to you how you handle it. If they want to portray Shepard whose not Super(wo)man, then have more story arc like Thessia or Virmire. It will impact a larger audience instead of the selected few fan base just to make it fair.

ME2 Thane did come with the information that he has Kepral's syndrome, but then it is also forshadowed by the Hanar's reaserch looking for a cure to said illness and LotSB dossier that says he's a good candidate for a lung transplant but refused. I could understand that friend!Thane refuse to have his life prolonged because to me it seems that he's just tired of the fightings and just wanted to be with Irikah. But it's difficult to portray a LI!Thane giving up since his love is now anchored to Shepard and he has Kolyat too. During the last romance scene in ME2 just before you charge towards the Omega4 Relay, he even told a romanced Shep that he's afraid of dying and he really really wants to live (YT it)

Another of my 0.02 creds. Sorry for the wall o'text :/ it came longer than I intend it

Edit: better gramar and spelling fixed :/

Edit: OP, I hope your father will get well and out of the hospital soon

Modifié par d1ta, 24 février 2013 - 06:54 .

[john-in-france]

I'll be on the last flight out of Paris tonight, and I'm taking my netbook, hopefully there is WIFI at the hotel I booked into.
(snip...edited to remove personal problems.)

Anyway, no more of that. This is not the place for it. Next post will be more positive and on topic.

Modifié par john-in-france, 25 février 2013 - 10:00 .

[WheatleyHQ]

I never romanced Thane myself, but the romance between FemShep and him was absolutely beautiful. It sucks that the new DLC take place after the coup, which is when Thane dies, but hopefully Bioware took the Thanemancers into consideration and did something special for them. Who knows. We'll see March 5th.

[knightnblu]

It could be worse you know, they could be arranging some "quality" time with his corpse. Alternatively, they could just make him an undead Thane zombie. Aside from the rotting flesh and smell, it would be just like real life!

[dreman9999]

d1ta wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And that is the problem. That option was closed off from the start.
I understand you want that the option but he isa character written to die.
In ME2, Thane wasstated to die toa terminal illness that cure was far from being done.
In ME3, no cure came up or wayto lengthhis life...Thus he died, as intended.

If you meant by that sentence that I personally will take the path of rescuing Thane should there be an option to do so in a ROMANCED path, then my answer is 'No'.
Because he is not my LI (yes, yes,.. I'm a that kind of person that sticks to the same old LI every time. Now don't judge me! =p..)

I wrote those ideas because I know what it was like to be attached to a certain fictional character and since this is pretty much a game, it is literaly up to the writters wether or not they want to add another branch to the story. It's a game and it's meant to be enjoyed. If the vanilla game fits your play through and you're happy with it, then good for you.
However, keep in mind that other players play it differently and they do not share your mind set.

I get what you're saying about the 'he's written from the start to die', but I think it was also written from the get go that Quarians can't survive without their suit or a mere rupture can be hazardous, but hey, pump some antibiotics and Tali gets to hump the Commander =p. Yes, she does gets sick afterwards, but it's just like having a cold. No big deal.
And if the Quarians survived Rannoch, right then and there Tali opens her mask and took a breath of fresh air. Which I thought she told me before (ME2 I think. Memories are a bit wonky) that even if they manage to reclaim Rannoch, it'd still take them years to get them acclimated. But for symbolic purpose, mask away...

Another example is from ME1, when Wrex was distraught at the beginning of Virmire mission and he explained to Shepard that Saren's facility is the only one that can solve the genophage problem. But ME2 came, the 'genophage cure' becomes Mordin's LM and in ME3 the option to cure the genophage or not is there.

The bottom line is this, you are met with a challenge and it is pretty much up to you how you handle it. If they want to portray Shepard whose not Super(wo)man, then have more story arc like Thessia or Virmire. It will impact a larger audience instead of the selected few fan base just to make it fair.

ME2 Thane did come with the information that he has Kepral's syndrome, but then it is also forshadowed by the Hanar's reaserch looking for a cure to said illness and LotSB dossier that says he's a good candidate for a lung transplant but refused. I could understand that friend!Thane refuse to have his life prolonged because to me it seems that he's just tired of the fightings and just wanted to be with Irikah. But it's difficult to portray a LI!Thane giving up since his love is now anchored to Shepard and he has Kolyat too. During the last romance scene in ME2 just before you charge towards the Omega4 Relay, he even told a romanced Shep that he's afraid of dying and he really really wants to live (YT it)

Another of my 0.02 creds. Sorry for the wall o'text :/ it came longer than I intend it

Edit: better gramar and spelling fixed :/

Edit: OP, I hope your father will get well and out of the hospital soon

All those example you stated had groud work to make it possible. If fact their wasa cure for the genophage from ME1 meaning a major hint that they can be cured.
And with Quarian it was never stated they would instatly die if exposed out of the suit. Say they sould die out of suit is like saying every person allergic to shellfish would die if they eat any shell fish 100% of the time.
My pointis ground work was in place for a choice to happen in those cases. With Thane it was not the case.
I'm not saying people should not be upset he dies, just to understand there was never any ground work for him to live. In fact bw went of the way to have him deny treatment..... And the hanar research everyone keep bring up was , by Thane 's word, many many year s from being finished. He clearly stated he would die before they were close to being done.
Be realistic, he was alway meant to die.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 février 2013 - 07:46 .

[dreman9999]

Demoiselle wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Has it ever hit any of you that the reason Thane attracted so many people is because of the maturity of his character?

I know death, and I surely do not need to be taught it by any of you or by BioWare. I find it quite insulting when people/BioWare try to lecture me on the subject.

I will never understand why there couldn't be an optional outcome for Thane. Thane is a video game character in a RPG game.

None the less, I think it's time for BioWare to grow up and realize in whom they are dealing with on this subject. I don't want to hear about "Space Magic," "It would cheapen his character," or whatever else nonsense they want to sum up. I want the truth. I am far too old, and far too experience to hear such bs.

Nicely put.
.

Nope. He is just asking for a magic cure for him Like most Thanemancers are. Itlike the first time he tels you he is dieing and the moment after when he tells you he has a terminal illness doesnot regester to you.

AHEM. Okay. THAT IS NOT WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING. A lot of peoples problem is not that he died, but HOW tthe game treated his death - ie the squad and Shep themself NEVER mentioning it.

And I am not arguing ageinst that. My arguement is not even about that. I ALREADY STATED MANY TIMES I 100% AGREE HE NEEDED MORE CONTENT.

[crimzontearz]

john-in-france wrote...

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

sorry girl...I'll keep supporting, hopefully you will get two rounds of good news by the 5th

[EnaShepard]

dreman9999 wrote...

All those example you stated had groud work to make it possible. If fact their wasa cure for the genophage
from ME1 meaning a major hint that they can be cured.
And with  Quarian it was never stated they would instatly die if exposed out of  the suit. Say they sould die out of suit is like saying every person  allergic to shellfish would die if they eat any shell fish 100% of the  time.
My pointis ground work was in place for a choice to happen in those cases. With Thane it was not the case.
I'm not saying people should not be upset he dies, just to understand there was never any ground work for him to live. In fact bw went of the way  to have him deny treatment..... And the hanar research everyone keep bring up was, by Thane 's word, many many year s from being finished.
He clearly stated he would die before they were close to being done.
Be realistic, he was alway meant to die.

Saren was indeed searching for a cure, in order to breed an army of Krogans - but I don't recall that someone said "there is a cure", I rather  remember "they may have found a cure" (I searched on the wiki to be sure and they put 'may have found'). Thane only says he doubts he'll still be alive when they find one, but he's not a medical expert. And there is no real indication as for where the Hanars are with their research on the Kepral's Syndrome. So, what is the difference between what you said about the genophage and the fact that the Hanar are working on something?
In addition, during ME2, Mordin says that even with Maelon's data, we are still years away from a genophage cure. 
And still, it happens in ME3.
So, curing the Kepral's Syndrome is not impossible at all and wouldn't come out from nowhere... Especially with what Bioware wrote in Thane's Dossier in the LotSB DLC, put on the Cerberus News, etc.
For the Quarians, I don't really agree, I think they are much more vulnerable without their suits that what you describe. And I think (but I'm not sure) that a Tali says that they'll need a long time before being able to live without their suits. And it still happens in ME3 (cf stills and the end of the game).

Modifié par Sparky28, 24 février 2013 - 08:06 .

[Abraham_uk]

john-in-france wrote...

Sorry ladies and gents, just got some bad news. My father has just been admitted to hospital, so I'll be flying back to the UK for a few days.

Please try to be nice to each other. I'll check back in when I can.

Not sure how this is relevant to the thread.
But you have my best wishes anyway.
Hope your dad get's better.

[Oransel]

dreman9999 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You can save her.
2. When wasitshowed she died in the final mission.

Well, we were left in the dark about her and I am 90% sure she died on Citadel

BW 100% said she did not die.

When has it been said?

[RGC_Ines]

crimzontearz wrote...
there was supposed to be a "not" in there

My fault then . Im sorry if I offended You.

[dreman9999]

Sparky28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

All those example you stated had groud work to make it possible. If fact their wasa cure for the genophage
from ME1 meaning a major hint that they can be cured.
And with  Quarian it was never stated they would instatly die if exposed out of  the suit. Say they sould die out of suit is like saying every person  allergic to shellfish would die if they eat any shell fish 100% of the  time.
My pointis ground work was in place for a choice to happen in those cases. With Thane it was not the case.
I'm not saying people should not be upset he dies, just to understand there was never any ground work for him to live. In fact bw went of the way  to have him deny treatment..... And the hanar research everyone keep bring up was, by Thane 's word, many many year s from being finished.
He clearly stated he would die before they were close to being done.
Be realistic, he was alway meant to die.

Saren was indeed searching for a cure, in order to breed an army of Krogans - but I don't recall that someone said "there is a cure", I rather  remember "they may have found a cure" (I searched on the wiki to be sure and they put 'may have found'). Thane only says he doubts he'll still be alive when they find one, but he's not a medical expert. And there is no real indication as for where the Hanars are with their research on the Kepral's Syndrome. So, what is the difference between what you said about the genophage and the fact that the Hanar are working on something?
In addition, during ME2, Mordin says that even with Maelon's data, we are still years away from a genophage cure. 
And still, it happens in ME3.
So, curing the Kepral's Syndrome is not impossible at all and wouldn't come out from nowhere... Especially with what Bioware wrote in Thane's Dossier in the LotSB DLC, put on the Cerberus News, etc.
For the Quarians, I don't really agree, I think they are much more vulnerable without their suits that what you describe. And I think (but I'm not sure) that a Tali says that they'll need a long time before being able to live without their suits. And it still happens in ME3 (cf stills and the end of the game).

They did not say they may of found..They said spacily they had a cure. Rewatch that scene ...It's clear as day.And Mordin statement about the cure was mean based on a social scale.
The quarian were never shown to be that vunreable. Rememer, Tali was badly wonded in ME1 before we met her. If quarian where that vunerable, she would not servivethe gun shot.
Thane say spacifly that the projectonly started a few years ago.

And the shadowbroker dlc when outof it way to say Thane declined the transplant. 

[crimzontearz]

RGC_Ines wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
there was supposed to be a "not" in there

My fault then . Im sorry if I offended You.

no, my fault but you understand what I meant now right?

[Elista]

In this game, many things weren't expected and happened, many things were expected and did not happen. So is it really important that Thane was supposed to die ? A writer can do what he wants and they have done things very strange and unrealistic in ME3... We just ask for equality of treatment between LIs especially because Femshep is so badly served.

[dreman9999]

Elista wrote...

In this game, many things weren't expected and happened, many things were expected and did not happen. So is it really important that Thane was supposed to die ? A writer can do what he wants and they have done things very strange and unrealistic in ME3... We just ask for equality of treatment between LIs especially because Femshep is so badly served.

That still is asking for a magic cure. Thane does not need to bealive for femshep to get equal  treatment.

[MJoshier]

john-in-france wrote...

"snip"

John-in-france I absolutley love this picture! 

[CaptainCalico]

I loved Thane's death scene. It is the only piece of video game writing that has actually caused me to get misty-eyed. I'm glad that they wrote that scene.

I am also royally PO'd that there was no possible chance for any other outcome. And I am beyond PO'd that, once Thane is dead everybody acts as if he never existed. I can only attribute that to the switch in writers - which is just sloppy craftsmanship.

The thing that really gets to me is the hopelessness. The cornerstone of the romance between Thane and FemShep was Hope. The writers just tossed that away.

[VintageUtti]

Thane's death scene would have been better, as others have said, if he didn't jump on a sword while Shepard and Co. stand there not doing anything to help him. Having Garrus not mention him while he's standing in front of the memorial wall was also such a silly mistake. Not to mention like others have said his new-found desire to live and help you at the end of ME2 (if he was romanced), versus his about-face complacency with dying in a hospital when you meet up with him in ME3. I was sad at his death, but I agree it would have made more sense with his character, and been more effective story-wise if he wants to join your crew, but as he is getting ready to do so, the coup happens and he dies.

I never brought my Thane-romanced playthrough to ME3 after seeing what happened to him, so I hope this DLC gives me a good reason to.

[Renmiri1]

knightnblu wrote...

It could be worse you know, they could be arranging some "quality" time with his corpse. Alternatively, they could just make him an undead Thane zombie. Aside from the rotting flesh and smell, it would be just like real life!

Oh so witty!

Tbh you are being better than Bioware who gave us an LI and then took it away laughing all the way to the bank. So do your worst, you can't beat them.

[Emphyr]

Hi,
i sincerely hope BW will do something special for Thane in the DLC.
Its sad that Thane's story arcs topic by rshara is closed.

@Jin France... hope things will go well for you and yours in the UK.

@ Dreman why post in this tread ? Please leave.
@ Oransel Yes you can save Kelly Chambers!
you have to change her id before cerberus invades.

Good luck to you all and lets hope Thane gets a special from BW to make up what they did wrong.

Regards from The Netherlands. (Europe).

[Stilographium]

@dreman9999: I'm not sure if I can make you see my point of view, but I'll try anyway:

When I first recruited Thane and learned about his illness, I thought "Well, he'll probably die at some point, but I'm going to romance him anyway. It's probably going to be a beautiful, meaningful romance." I accepted at that point that there was no cure for his illness. BUT, then I read from the Shadow Broker's files that Thane was a viable transplant candidate (though he had refused). Then the romance scene happened and Thane told my Shepard he was afraid to die. That was when I began to see hope. I thought it would be logical that my Shepard could talk about the lung transplant with Thane in the next game, and he would reconsider getting it. At the end of ME2, I certainly didn't think that Thane would be doomed to die in ME3. He might eventually die of Kepral's, but I saw no reason why he couldn't survive through ME3 alive.

At that time I wasn't aware of it, but BW had some sort of "Cure for Thane" campaign on Facebook before ME3's release. Also, Thane's writer in ME2 said he wasn't sure what he wanted to do with Thane in the next game (I don't have the exact quote, sorry). But, had I known these things, I would have expected even more that there would be some kind of option to prolong Thane's life in ME3, if not cure him completely.

Then in ME3 Thane was suddenly at peace with his death again. My Shepard had no option to ask him about the lung transplant, and he didn't mention it either. I was confused. Then the Kai Leng fight happened and Shepard had no option to help Thane, or tell him to go somewhere safe before the fight. I felt betrayed. If I couldn't save Thane from his disease, what I thought could be possible, why couldn't I at least (have an option to) save him from Kai Leng? Thane would still remain terminally ill, he would live through ME3 and everyone could headcanon whatever fate they wanted for him after the events of the game.

My point is trying to be: I would have accepted Thane's death in ME3 if there were no hints that he could survive through the game. I was prepared for a bittersweet romance before I found out about the transplant and Thane's fear of dying. I would still be sad, but I wouldn't feel betrayed or confused. Without all those hints it would truly feel like Thane's death was inevitable. If Thane was doomed from the start, there would have been no reason to give us so many hints about the ways to prolong Thane's life / cure him.

And if you are trying to say that the first thing we learn about a character should always define his/her destiny, well, I just have a different opinion on that. I want to see character development; I want to try to look for different outcomes for characters; I enjoy seeing my protagonist affecting the other characters and achieving the impossible. (In Thane's case, lung transplant is far from impossible or "magical", and Shepard doesn't even have an option to mention it.) In ME universe, or any universe for that matter, things and circumstances rarely stay as they are when presented for the first time. So saying that Thane was doomed to die because he first tells you he has a terminal illness just doesn't make much sense to me.

I hope I made myself clear, and sorry about the novel. =P