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[jtav]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...
It's not like we're asking for content that will effect anyone else outside of people who would want to save/have more time with Thane.  Why the hostility?  Sheesh.

People's conceptions of characters depend on their own playthroughs of the game.  For some gamers, the only side they've ever seen of Thane is consistent with his ME3 portrayal, so it doesn't make any sense for Thane to live in their eyes.  And besides, there's this notion that the characters are a zero-sum game: ie, giving more content to one character means taking screentime from another.  That's not strictly speaking true; there is a word budget, but you can have well-written dialogue of a few lines that conveys just as much as mediocre dialogue of a few dozen lines.  It's just a matter of writing quality.

Wasn't quite like that for me. I saw him and my reaction was "Doomed romance! Where do I sign?":O And that he wants to live doesn't summon a cure into being. I found it valuable to have a relationship that was meaningful without a cure because there was no cure for my aunt. There's no cure for me (though my condition isn't terminal). To have him survive takes that away, and I want to keep it without having to play poorly.

[Missy_MI]

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

[crimzontearz]

Missy_MI wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

a class specific interrupt would be even better

[Icinix]

crimzontearz wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

a class specific interrupt would be even better

Indeed - so many places a biotic or tech interupt would prevent the woes to come.

[_Heather_Shepard_]

That's why we wanted it to be OPTIONAL. You want him to die in your playthrough, FINE. Just let us, or at least the once who romanced him the will to live.

[crimzontearz]

Icinix wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

a class specific interrupt would be even better

Indeed - so many places a biotic or tech interupt would prevent the woes to come.

Soldier shepard - runs to the combatants and stops Kai Leng's sword gripping it with her armored hand which prompts Thane to b!tch slap Leng again before he runs away

Engineer Shepard - watches the two run to each other and overloads Kai leng optic implants prompting him to miss and run away

Adept Shepard - watches the two run to one another and lifts Leng Biotically before pushing him out of the window and onto the platform where he runs away

Infiltrator Shepard - watches the two run to one another and snipes the blade out of Leng's hand prompting him to run away

Sentinel Shepard - steps in between the two running at each other and deflects Kai leng's incoming attack with a tech armor plate

Vanguard Shepard - watches the two running at one another and vanguard charges between them causing Leng to bounce back...while still in mid air heel kicks him to the chest out of the window and onto the platform (this...is....SPARTA) promptung him to run away

[Thrazesul]

All good interrupts. It'd be a good place to insert them too.

[john-in-france]

crimzontearz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

a class specific interrupt would be even better

Indeed - so many places a biotic or tech interupt would prevent the woes to come.

Soldier shepard - runs to the combatants and stops Kai Leng's sword gripping it with her armored hand which prompts Thane to b!tch slap Leng again before he runs away

Engineer Shepard - watches the two run to each other and overloads Kai leng optic implants prompting him to miss and run away

Adept Shepard - watches the two run to one another and lifts Leng Biotically before pushing him out of the window and onto the platform where he runs away

Infiltrator Shepard - watches the two run to one another and snipes the blade out of Leng's hand prompting him to run away

Sentinel Shepard - steps in between the two running at each other and deflects Kai leng's incoming attack with a tech armor plate

Vanguard Shepard - watches the two running at one another and vanguard charges between them causing Leng to bounce back...while still in mid air heel kicks him to the chest out of the window and onto the platform (this...is....SPARTA) promptung him to run away

Officially the Citadel Coup ends when you save the Councillors and shoot Udina.

However I like Crimsontearz class based interrupts. No interrupt Thane dies (as so many people seem to want him too ), and a paragon/renegade interrupt that was class based. Sounds fantastic.

[crimzontearz]

john-in-france wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...
What we need is a Kai Leng interrupt with Thane. THAT is what is missing. Kai Leng...hated for more than one cut-scene autodialogue reason....

You make a really good point. I'm not sure if 'after the coup' means after Shepard lands on the Citadel or after Udina's death, but an interrupt to keep Kai from stabbing Thane might work really well.

1)  Shepard and crew won't feel so much like helpless bystanders during the Kai fight.
2) Thane won't die immediately, so he can be part of the 're-kindled romances'.
3) Paramour achievement should hopefully be gained because of 2.
4) Thane will still die later, so the original death scene isn't lost.
5) There's an opportunity for crew acknowledgement after 4.

I know it's not a cure, but as speculations go, what do you guys think? Other than the obvious fact that Thane still ends up dead, would you be content with it? I personally would be okay with something like this playing out in the Citadel DLC.

a class specific interrupt would be even better

Indeed - so many places a biotic or tech interupt would prevent the woes to come.

Soldier shepard - runs to the combatants and stops Kai Leng's sword gripping it with her armored hand which prompts Thane to b!tch slap Leng again before he runs away

Engineer Shepard - watches the two run to each other and overloads Kai leng optic implants prompting him to miss and run away

Adept Shepard - watches the two run to one another and lifts Leng Biotically before pushing him out of the window and onto the platform where he runs away

Infiltrator Shepard - watches the two run to one another and snipes the blade out of Leng's hand prompting him to run away

Sentinel Shepard - steps in between the two running at each other and deflects Kai leng's incoming attack with a tech armor plate

Vanguard Shepard - watches the two running at one another and vanguard charges between them causing Leng to bounce back...while still in mid air heel kicks him to the chest out of the window and onto the platform (this...is....SPARTA) promptung him to run away

Officially the Citadel Coup ends when you save the Councillors and shoot Udina.

However I like Crimsontearz class based interrupts. No interrupt Thane dies (as so many people seem to want him too ), and a paragon/renegade interrupt that was class based. Sounds fantastic.

I have my moments


 
It also serves the purpose of feeling more like a victory over Cereal killer


 
How is your Dad? Everything ok?

[Thrazesul]

Well, I just played the coup and yes, visiting Thane on his death bed is an option after the coup. It's not even stated as a mission so I wonder if it can run out of time (until the citadel's moved).

Now I can't decide though whether I need to watch that scene anyway or wait and see if it changes with the dlc...

[crimzontearz]

finish your playthrough and start another one fresh on the 5th with the dlc

[Thrazesul]

"Will (CHARACTER NAME) be present only after a certain mission?
After completing the adventure portion of the Citadel DLC, you will have the chance to reconnect with old friends. Your friends will only appear once you have completed their content from the main game. For example, you will only be able to meet up with Jack after both completing Grissom Academy and talking to Jack in the bar at Purgatory.

Should I Have Everything Else in the Game Done Before Playing Citadel?
There is no right or wrong time to play the Citadel DLC, once it’s unlocked. If you play the Citadel DLC with everything else unlocked (just before attacking Cronos Station), the new DLC content will all be unlocked. If you play the Citadel DLC right after stopping the Cerberus coup attempt, the DLC content will unlock naturally over the course of the main game."


I'd rather not start over the whole game when it's only doable after the coup, thanks. xD Since it says that people will only appear after doing their content, it feels like one needs to go through that... death scene anyway.

Modifié par Thrazesul, 26 février 2013 - 04:49 .

[crimzontearz]

Thrazesul wrote...

"Will (CHARACTER NAME) be present only after a certain mission?
After completing the adventure portion of the Citadel DLC, you will have the chance to reconnect with old friends. Your friends will only appear once you have completed their content from the main game. For example, you will only be able to meet up with Jack after both completing Grissom Academy and talking to Jack in the bar at Purgatory.

Should I Have Everything Else in the Game Done Before Playing Citadel?
There is no right or wrong time to play the Citadel DLC, once it’s unlocked. If you play the Citadel DLC with everything else unlocked (just before attacking Cronos Station), the new DLC content will all be unlocked. If you play the Citadel DLC right after stopping the Cerberus coup attempt, the DLC content will unlock naturally over the course of the main game."


I'd rather not start over the whole game when it's only doable after the coup, thanks. xD Since it says that people will only appear after doing their content, it feels like one needs to go through that... death scene anyway.

I am going to have to anyway, there are still 3 weapons for me to upgrade to level 10

[tehprincessJ]

Thrazesul wrote...

Well, I just played the coup and yes, visiting Thane on his death bed is an option after the coup. It's not even stated as a mission so I wonder if it can run out of time (until the citadel's moved).

Now I can't decide though whether I need to watch that scene anyway or wait and see if it changes with the dlc...

I have a save right before the coup (because MOAR THANE) that I'm going to be loading up myself. I may just be grasping at straws, but the coup ends the moment you're in Bailey's office and he tells you to hotfoot it to the hospital. Fingers crossed that things are different soon-ish after that.

Otherwise my Shep will have to deal with it in her usual way - getting hammered until she's banned from buying drinks at Purgatory.

Anyhow, I'd wait. Hope is a good thing.

Modifié par tehprincessJ, 26 février 2013 - 06:31 .

[_Heather_Shepard_]

^Agreed :'(

[_Heather_Shepard_]

^Agreed :'(

[radishson]

Thane is my favourite character in this series. Everything about Thane's treatment in ME3 was wrong, even for those who did not romance him (like me). It's not about "writing him incorrectly", its about cutting corners during production. End of story. The fact that his death is never even acknowledged tells me they simply forgot about him.

So that being said, I don't trust Bioware to do Thane any justice in this DLC, romanced or otherwise. Nothing will fix his contrived fight scene and nothing will fix the missed opportunity of offering Thanemancers the option of prolonging his life. Even if you guys get a miracle and Thane can be cured/treated, what says his character will be presented with the same depth that his original writer gave him?

Nothing has indicated so far that Thane has a more developed role in the DLC. As it stands, the DLC starts as he is on his deathbed. And despite the fact Bioware is perfectly okay with releasing info on certain characters when asked (Wrex, Miranda, Zaeed, and Traynor have all been confirmed) their only response to Thane questions are that it's "complicated and spoilery". That does not sound good to me. I have always sided with Thanemancers, but unfortunately the time for optimism is long gone.

[_Heather_Shepard_]

And it's sad because this might be true. But I'm not losing hope yet. If anything with Thane, even of it's Shepard remembering her time with her lost love. It still hurts that nobody even mentioned him again after that. *sigh*

[Eterna]

radishson wrote...

Thane is my favourite character in this series. Everything about Thane's treatment in ME3 was wrong, even for those who did not romance him (like me). It's not about "writing him incorrectly", its about cutting corners during production. End of story. The fact that his death is never even acknowledged tells me they simply forgot about him.

So that being said, I don't trust Bioware to do Thane any justice in this DLC, romanced or otherwise. Nothing will fix his contrived fight scene and nothing will fix the missed opportunity of offering Thanemancers the option of prolonging his life. Even if you guys get a miracle and Thane can be cured/treated, what says his character will be presented with the same depth that his original writer gave him?

Nothing has indicated so far that Thane has a more developed role in the DLC. As it stands, the DLC starts as he is on his deathbed. And despite the fact Bioware is perfectly okay with releasing info on certain characters when asked (Wrex, Miranda, Zaeed, and Traynor have all been confirmed) their only response to Thane questions are that it's "complicated and spoilery". That does not sound good to me. I have always sided with Thanemancers, but unfortunately the time for optimism is long gone.

They choose to date someone with a terminal illness,  I don't get what they were expecting.  The power of Sihas love could cure his illness? 

[_Heather_Shepard_]

^ Yes.

[radishson]

_Heather_Shepard_ wrote...

And it's sad because this might be true. But I'm not losing hope yet. If anything with Thane, even of it's Shepard remembering her time with her lost love. It still hurts that nobody even mentioned him again after that. *sigh*

I think its likely crew reactions will be modified.  That fits pretty well into the "complicated and spoilery" categoy.  The question is whether or not I need to pay $15 for something that should have been in the base game.

Eterna5 wrote...

They choose to date someone with a
terminal illness,  I don't get what they were expecting.  The power of
Sihas love could cure his illness? 

Reading comprehension, what is it?  Such a shame no one could be bothered teaching you.

[Eterna]

_Heather_Shepard_ wrote...

^ Yes.

[DineBoo]

They choose to date someone with a
terminal illness, I don't get what they were expecting. The power of
Sihas love could cure his illness?

Yes, Thane was dying of a terminal illness.

But his fans thought he would succumb to his illness, not at the end of TrollNinja's blade. And certainly not when Shep and friends are standing around like idiots.

Add to the fact that they had only one conversation with him that's mostly about the VS, no one remembers him after the coup, and pretty much forgotten as an LI are the reason Thane fans were mad and disappointed with the game.

And while some Thane fans wanted a cure, all of them just wanted his character to better handled in ME3.

[Sable Rhapsody]

jtav wrote...
Wasn't quite like that for me. I saw him and my reaction was "Doomed romance! Where do I sign?":O And that he wants to live doesn't summon a cure into being. I found it valuable to have a relationship that was meaningful without a cure because there was no cure for my aunt. There's no cure for me (though my condition isn't terminal). To have him survive takes that away, and I want to keep it without having to play poorly.

Fair enough.  I actually hadn't thought of it that way; I had a hell of a time trying to have people die on the Collector Base without doing something obviously stupid.

[john-in-france]

@ Crimsontearz: I still like the interrupts that you came up with. I also loved the Engineer one on Omega, that was fun...'Just as well I'm not a grunt.' ahahaha
Dad is stable, but has some new health problems on top of his existing ones.

Has anyone watched the Reckoning Livestream? At one point the fans asked about Blasto/Hanar and one of the Bioware staff quipped 'You'd have to see Citadel for that.' His colleagues then tried to blow it off after the ominous silence that normally means 'OMG he said that...'

Hanar in Citadel DLC = High probabilty