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I have to ask again. Why are you guys so against people having an OPTION to have Thane's life extended to the end of the game?

You're happy with the way he has been treated? Great, you don't have to take that option. The great thing about an OPTION is that it's OPTIONAL. You can have the story go the way YOU want it, and we can have the story go the way WE want it.

Then everyone is happy. And there are scenarios that make it plausible.

Why is this such a horrible thing?


In general or the DLC?

I have different answers for both.

For the DLC I'm actually in favor of having an option to save Thane, but only if Bioware can write in a scenario where the player suffers just as big a loss in Thane's stead. What I'm against is a get-out-of-jail-free card, where the player can resolve every situation without there being consequences. I think good storytelling then gets sacrificed in trade.

The problem with giving an option to save Thane without someone else dying in his stead, or some other negative consequence that is equally impactful emotionally, is that it then cheapens that death bed scene in Huerta Memorial. It would then be a scene that only occured when Shepard committed some blunder that was directly responsible for Thane's death. Any emotional impact that scene may have previously had is now removed by making Shepard the cause of Thane's death, rather than Kai Leng.



I got a solution if you want someone to die in Thane's stead and have it be an impactful death why not serve up Liara to die in his stead? I LIKE THAT IDEA!!!! 


Sounds like a vindictive ransom.

Liara isn't the reason Thane is dead.

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RShara wrote...

We romanced him In SPITE of his illness, not because of it.

And because we had hope that we'd find a way to save him. Like we've saved the millions of other people who would have died if we hadn't managed an amazingly heroic success.


Oh, okay.  That told me everything I needed to know.    Arguing is going to be completely lost on you.

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Could you stop posting huge chunks of text as arguments?


If you don't like it then you are more than welcome to leave.

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Well since I can't see the future, I don't see that conversation taking place.

But something like,
"Is there a cure?
"Not yet."
"Will there be one."
"Someday, but I don't think I'll last that long."
"But if you do, would you take it?"
"You are my life, and my love. I will do anything to find more time to spend with you."

If I could see the future and I knew that a cure would be available just after he died, and if he were a caring man, I would tell him, "I don't think you'll live through it, but your people will survive. I'll remember you always."

If I could see the future and I knew that a cure would be available if he hung on just a little longer, I'd damn well do everything in my power to ensure he lived long enough to receive it.

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Jacob was silly, I'll give you that.

But Thane told Shepard he was dying in Mass Effect 2, before the romance even started.

Yes. After being reunited with his son and finding someone to love, however, he shows signs of wanting to live and fearing death.
So far as what is plausible, this is Mass Effect we're talking about. Shepard is brought back from death, the genophage is cured, Shepard can take control of the reapers or combine organic and synthetic life by "adding his essence" (which is far, far less believable than the hanar developing a cure). So it's not as if Thane being cured or having his life extended defies Mass Effect logic.

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RinjiRenee wrote...

RShara wrote...

We romanced him In SPITE of his illness, not because of it.

And because we had hope that we'd find a way to save him. Like we've saved the millions of other people who would have died if we hadn't managed an amazingly heroic success.


Oh, okay.  That told me everything I needed to know.    Arguing is going to be completely lost on you.


Um excuse me?  All I am asking for is an OPTION.  That way you can play your story the way you want, and I can play my story the way I want to.  There are logical and reasonable methods of doing this.  I understand why you think he should die.  That's great and I have no problems with it.  Why do you have problems with me thinking he should have the OPTION to live?

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RinjiRenee wrote...

RShara wrote...

I have to ask again. Why are you guys so against people having an OPTION to have Thane's life extended to the end of the game?

You're happy with the way he has been treated? Great, you don't have to take that option. The great thing about an OPTION is that it's OPTIONAL. You can have the story go the way YOU want it, and we can have the story go the way WE want it.

Then everyone is happy. And there are scenarios that make it plausible.

Why is this such a horrible thing?


Because you don't seem to respect the fact that Thane had a terminal illness That's like giving a dying cancer patient a shot of feel-good-juice so you can see them just a little longer.  What would have extending his life done for you?  He was going to die no matter what.  You already knew that.    So, what?  Another scene in the hospital, his disease finally doing him in?  He would have been in no shape to fight the Reapers by the end of the game, given the extent of his injuries.

Also, making it *~OPTIONAL~* to extend a dying man's life just seems sort of insensitive and wrong.


And you are showing your ignorance when it comes to the true reality of dealing with death as an adult. The second your diagnosed you do EVERYTHING you can to stay with those you love, to spend as much time as possible with them, and... oh hold on a sec I'll copy paste this. So glad I saved it...

"...there's something you all need to understand about us Thanemancers...

Most
of us are older women, a lot of us are in our late 20s to mid 50s. We
have been around a lot longer than the stereotypical gamer, and as such
we have a great deal of the tragic life experience that brings wisdom,
maturity and a general compassion for others that only comes with
experiencing the pain that life has to offer. We have loved deeply, been
a part of or witnessed many a failed relationship. As most of us are
female, we have been married, had children, and been through the ordeal
of a vicious divorce. We have been victims of terrible crimes, victors
because we survived and surpassed the ordeals, and been there to help
our loved ones through their own. We have sat, shocked and helpless, as
our loved ones were given the worst news of all. We have sat there,
heartbroken, as we watched our father, mother, husband, wife, brother,
sister, and sometimes even ourselves, wither away to nothing, and become
a shell of the vibrant, life-filled human being they/we once were. And
we have mourned, as our loved ones slipped from our grasp, never to be
seen again, but never to be forgotten.


We were drawn to Thane not
because he was a badass assassin with an attractive character model,
although, let's face it, he is a lot hotter than any other alien in the
series ( I personally also have a thing for the turian model but the
drell model is better). We were drawn to Thane because he was the only
character who had life experience that matched our own. We understood
the pain that he felt at the loss of Irikah. We understood the
uncertainty he felt at reuniting with Kolyat, and even understood the
reasons he abandonded him in the first place, even if we didn't agree
with them.


We knew the pain he felt when he was diagnosed, and
the uncertainty and fear he felt at the thought of his demise, and we
knew how Shepard felt when she heard the news.


We found his alien
mindset fascinating, if we didn't completely understand or agree with
it. We raged when we thought of his species being Hanar slaves bound by
the Compact, and even if we still think that, we were able to respect
his opinion.

His religion was fascinating, and drew many
parralels to our own pagan religions that most of us have been exposed
to in one form or another.

And we loved that he called our Shepards "Siha."

You
may not have liked his character, but Thane was by no means
uninteresting. You just have to look beyond the surface, like you have
to do with real people, to find his soul. "

and, if I can find it...

Oh **** it it's taking to long to find it. Anyway...

The thing about being diagnosed with a terminal illness is that you DO do everything you possibly could to stay with them. You take every last long shot, no matter how desperate, because you cannot bare to be parted from them, even though you know you eventually will, because even if you do survive the terminal illness, you will be parted, be it another illness, accident, or old age. You know this before you enter a relationship with someone, but you do it anyway, because of all the times beforehand. But the second your diagnosed you realise just how prescious your life is with that special someone.


You certainly do not throw them into the arms of a misogynist who treats you like an idiot, nor do you abandon them, especially not durig the middle of a war when any breath could be the last either of you take.

So it's not disrespectful to want to spend more time with those you love. It's out of character to NOT want to. Especially for Thane, given his LOTSB dossier letter. And that "feel-good-happy-shot" doesn't feel good at all: it's called CHEMOTHERAPY, and it makes you feel like you should die, but you willingly poison yourself anyway, because you know it gives you the chance to spend more time with your soulmate. More time for Thane with his Siha.

You're right though: we don't have to agree. But you do have to THINK. SO THINK! And don't dare take away the opportunity for someone to have time with their loved ones simply because you are that unfeeling.

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RinjiRenee wrote...

I'll ask you again:

If a man with terminal illness (that you have prior knowledge of) wanted to engage in a romance with you, would you tell him that a cure would one day save his life?


No.  But you are rendering this entire issue down to ludicrously basic elements.  There was evidence that viable treatment options were availible.  Shepard is *brought back to life* in the beginning of the game.  And it was completely reasonable fans assume their LI be treated with at least as much care as the others, even if that still ultimately included death.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

RShara wrote...

I have to ask again. Why are you guys so against people having an OPTION to have Thane's life extended to the end of the game?

You're happy with the way he has been treated? Great, you don't have to take that option. The great thing about an OPTION is that it's OPTIONAL. You can have the story go the way YOU want it, and we can have the story go the way WE want it.

Then everyone is happy. And there are scenarios that make it plausible.

Why is this such a horrible thing?


In general or the DLC?

I have different answers for both.

For the DLC I'm actually in favor of having an option to save Thane, but only if Bioware can write in a scenario where the player suffers just as big a loss in Thane's stead. What I'm against is a get-out-of-jail-free card, where the player can resolve every situation without there being consequences. I think good storytelling then gets sacrificed in trade.

The problem with giving an option to save Thane without someone else dying in his stead, or some other negative consequence that is equally impactful emotionally, is that it then cheapens that death bed scene in Huerta Memorial. It would then be a scene that only occured when Shepard committed some blunder that was directly responsible for Thane's death. Any emotional impact that scene may have previously had is now removed by making Shepard the cause of Thane's death, rather than Kai Leng.



I got a solution if you want someone to die in Thane's stead and have it be an impactful death why not serve up Liara to die in his stead? I LIKE THAT IDEA!!!! 


Sounds like a vindictive ransom.

Liara isn't the reason Thane is dead.



I never said Liara was the reason Thane died I was just giving Han boy a reasonable character death to swap in for Thane, that way it's not a get out of jail free card. If Thane lives then his life and the cure comes at the cost of Liara's life. Perfect solution for the problem Shadow Broker dies for the Thane's life and a Cure it has consicquences and isn't a get out of jail free card it is a choice.

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Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.

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misogynist who treats you like an idiot,

This is a big thread, so can I ask who and what you're talking about here?

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And seriously zombie- Thane? Wow.


I do apologize for using the term "zombie-Thane".  I did not mean to be disrespectful.  I was just trying to say that we couldn't bring him back from the dead.  This pack will most likely be played from people's auto-save made just before the assault on the Illusive Man's base, well after Thane has passed on.  We don't want to force players to play the game completely over to see new content.  We are adding to your story, not changing what you've already experienced in the past.

That said, we tried to make a positive experience for those who romanced Thane.  We'll see in a week if you think that was successful or not. 

And as an aside, the reason "zombie-Thane" came so easily from my lips (or, er, fingers), is that during the development of ME3 is was a common logic bug to have dead characters accidentally appear where they shouldn't.  It was common for us to say things like "There goes Garrus smooching up with zombie-Tali", or "Hey, I just got an email from zombie-Wrex".  There's a whole lot of could-be-dead characters we need to account for, and as far as I know, we fixed all those type bugs before ship.


y'all bring miranda and jack back from the dead if they died tho?

oh ok :wizard:

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.


wtf?

You really think that a dying person wouldn't want to know that a cure will be found?

Talk to any of the people who have cancer.  Several people here are currently in a relationship (father, mother, brother, sister, son, daughter, boyfriend, girlfriend, spouse) where one person is dying. 

Do you not thinkg that people who weren't completely self-centered would not be happy to know that even though they will die, a cure will be found and other victims will survive?

Seriously?

Read up on the people who donate and are active in terminal disease research, and try again.

I also don't know what this has anything to do with Thane having a terminal illness, KNOWING there WILL be a cure already, and not wanting to die, or anything else about the Mass Effect 3 plot.

Modifié par RShara, 01 mars 2013 - 06:33 .


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"we don't want people to have to replay this game that we've been marketing for its replay value"

laughin so hard tears are gatherin

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.


my best fried has congestive heart failure so you can **** right off

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I really hope you Thanemancers do get something good from Citadel. Everyone deserves something good involving LIs. Whether it be a really touching moment involving Thane somehow, or kicking Jacob in the cowbells.

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HJF4 wrote...

misogynist who treats you like an idiot,

This is a big thread, so can I ask who and what you're talking about here?


Kaidan, and his infamous "cheating" dialogue. He's a misogynist for expecting Shepard to stay loyal, even though he admits he moved on with a certain doctor. And only an idiot would go back to him after Horizon, and being so quick to judge her because she made a decision he didn't like.

At least that's the interpretation I have for my headcanon playthrough. I have another one whom does stay loyal, though personally I still think she's an idiot and kaidan a misogynist who treats her like an idiotic incubation chamber.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

I really hope you Thanemancers do get something good from Citadel. Everyone deserves something good involving LIs. Whether it be a really touching moment involving Thane somehow, or kicking Jacob in the cowbells.


Thank you. Both of those would be lovely. And totally appropriate for my jacobmancer. lol. She'd be happy with that.

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What did BioWare say in this thread?

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

I really hope you Thanemancers do get something good from Citadel. Everyone deserves something good involving LIs. Whether it be a really touching moment involving Thane somehow, or kicking Jacob in the cowbells.


like we're buyin it

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Alien Number Six wrote...

What did BioWare say in this thread?


"Sorry for calling Thane a zombie".

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

I really hope you Thanemancers do get something good from Citadel. Everyone deserves something good involving LIs. Whether it be a really touching moments involving Thane somehow, or kicking Jacob in the cowbells.


what if I want to find that the Jacob that's with Brynn is a clone to get at Shepard and the Real Jacob Taylor is hidden on Cronus station in suspended animation? I want that fix for Jacob mancers. Either that or simply write Brynn out as being knocked up and rework things so Jacob stays. Really the fix to Jacob is one of the most simple things ever. Too Bad Buttware is a bunch of sexist pigs who don't value their female fanbase. They do say Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for a reason and I do believe Buttware is finding that out. 

I personally will be joing the club of never buying and never giving buttware another cent EVER after the whole ME3 mess

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radishson wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

What did BioWare say in this thread?


"Sorry for calling Thane a zombie".


"But he's still dead."

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lyssalu wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I really hope you Thanemancers do get something good from Citadel. Everyone deserves something good involving LIs. Whether it be a really touching moment involving Thane somehow, or kicking Jacob in the cowbells.


like we're buyin it


What do you mean, predictible filler dialogue about his death that shouldve been in the base game isn't worth $15 to you?