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[Alien Number Six]

Thanks for the info. So no new Thane content?

[New Display Name]

mythlover20 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

misogynist who treats you like an idiot,

This is a big thread, so can I ask who and what you're talking about here?

Kaidan, and his infamous "cheating" dialogue. He's a misogynist for expecting Shepard to stay loyal, even though he admits he moved on with a certain doctor. And only an idiot would go back to him after Horizon, and being so quick to judge her because she made a decision he didn't like.

At least that's the interpretation I have for my headcanon playthrough. I have another one whom does stay loyal, though personally I still think she's an idiot and kaidan a misogynist who treats her like an idiotic incubation chamber.

As far as I know Kaidan moved on to a doctor relunctantly while Shepard was thought to be dead. But yes, I do agree that Kaidan was wrong and especially wrong if he says that she cheated.

[RShara]

Oh no! He's kind and generous! He FORGIVES YOU FOR CHEATING ON HIM. AND YOU THANK HIM.

[Masha Potato]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.

really

[lyssalu]

RShara wrote...

radishson wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

What did BioWare say in this thread?

"Sorry for calling Thane a zombie".

"But he's still dead."

[radishson]

RShara wrote...

Oh no! He's kind and generous! He FORGIVES YOU FOR CHEATING ON HIM. AND YOU THANK HIM.

Isnt it true that the convo differs for Broshep/Ashely, too?  I heard Broahep is able to deny/justify the whole "cheating on you" thing and Ashley just takes it.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Masha Potato wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.

really

I will admit it was kind of a low blow

But I, for one, would never tell a dying person that a miracle would happen, unless they wanted to hear it.

[gearseffect]

RShara wrote...

Oh no! He's kind and generous! He FORGIVES YOU FOR CHEATING ON HIM. AND YOU THANK HIM.

And then I port into the game and pimp slap the ever living hell out of him for his actions that says he thinks women are lesser than men. 

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 mars 2013 - 06:51 .

[grey_wind]

I'm a guy, and Thane was one of my favourite characters. His treatment in ME3 was complete sh!t, especially if he was your LI.

Personally, I always felt killing him off was the easy way out to conclude his character arc. I think it would have been a lot more interesting if he actually survived, and if we could explore what that would mean for his character. Does he suddenly find himself lost because he never planned beyond his inevitable death? Does he return to his battle sleep because he suddenly doesn't know what to do? What happens to his relationship with Kolyat now that the gloomy cloud of terminal illness is off their heads and they can reevaluate their relationship (past and present) with clearer minds? Does he believe he even deserves to live (especially if there's a very high moral price to pay to extend his lifespan)?

[lyssalu]

gearseffect wrote...

RShara wrote...

Oh no! He's kind and generous! He FORGIVES YOU FOR CHEATING ON HIM. AND YOU THANK HIM.

And then I worp into the game and pimp slap the ever living hell out of him for his actions that says he thinks women are lesser then men. 

slap the writer

[gearseffect]

lyssalu wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

RShara wrote...

Oh no! He's kind and generous! He FORGIVES YOU FOR CHEATING ON HIM. AND YOU THANK HIM.

And then I worp into the game and pimp slap the ever living hell out of him for his actions that says he thinks women are lesser then men. 

slap the writer

Gladly 


not really......... 

[lyssalu]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.

really

I will admit it was kind of a low blow

But I, for one, would never tell a dying person that a miracle would happen, unless they wanted to hear it.

"unless they wanted to hear it"

what even is wrong with you go to bed knuckle dragger 

[Han Shot First]

gearseffect wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

RShara wrote...

I have to ask again. Why are you guys so against people having an OPTION to have Thane's life extended to the end of the game?

You're happy with the way he has been treated? Great, you don't have to take that option. The great thing about an OPTION is that it's OPTIONAL. You can have the story go the way YOU want it, and we can have the story go the way WE want it.

Then everyone is happy. And there are scenarios that make it plausible.

Why is this such a horrible thing?

In general or the DLC?

I have different answers for both.

For the DLC I'm actually in favor of having an option to save Thane, but only if Bioware can write in a scenario where the player suffers just as big a loss in Thane's stead. What I'm against is a get-out-of-jail-free card, where the player can resolve every situation without there being consequences. I think good storytelling then gets sacrificed in trade.

The problem with giving an option to save Thane without someone else dying in his stead, or some other negative consequence that is equally impactful emotionally, is that it then cheapens that death bed scene in Huerta Memorial. It would then be a scene that only occured when Shepard committed some blunder that was directly responsible for Thane's death. Any emotional impact that scene may have previously had is now removed by making Shepard the cause of Thane's death, rather than Kai Leng.

I got a solution if you want someone to die in Thane's stead and have it be an impactful death why not serve up Liara to die in his stead? I LIKE THAT IDEA!!!! 

I actually covered that in my post.

I had said that if Thane was to be given an out, there should be some other loss that is equally impactful emotionally. I had also said that the player shouldn't have an option of simply substituting their least-liked squadmate in to die in Thane's stead, as that would be a cop out. I suggested Garrus because nearly everyone likes him. (myself included) Sure, there are some people that don't like him, but out of all the squadmates he probably is the least disliked.

That isn't the case with Liara, who while along with Garrus is one of the most popular characters in the series, she also provokes much stronger negative reactions than Garrus. Only Jacob, Allers, and Ashley would probably garner more dislike votes, and Ashley might be doubtful.

Maybe it wasn't a good suggestion. To be honest I'm not sure what the solution should be, but if someone comes up with something good, I can get behind it.  What I do know is that having an option to save Thane without there being an equal loss in trade, and thus making his death only occur if Shepard fails, would completely ruin the death bed scene and drain it of any emotional impact it previously had. As such, I'm 100% against that option.

I'm not just saying that either because Thane wasn't my Shep's LI. If the roles were reversed and Liara was the character with the terminal illness who ended up dying at Huerta Memorial, I also wouldn't want the death scene retconned. If It was done as well as Thane's scene, I wouldn't want it to be cheapened by having an easy out where I could reload, save Liara, and not suffer any consequences.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 mars 2013 - 07:02 .

[lyssalu]

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

[Leonia]

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

[RShara]

I just asked my husband, with no context:

"If you were dying and I told you there would be a cure after you died, would you be mad, happy, or both?"
His answer was, "Why the hell would I be mad? I'd be happy that other people would get to survive!"

[LeandroBraz]

Dusty Everman wrote...

devSin wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

There's a whole lot of could-be-dead characters we need to account for, and as far as I know, we fixed all those type bugs before ship.

Wasn't there still a bug where zombie-Tali would visit Shepard's quarters before the attack on Cronos (even though she jumped off a cliff on Rannoch)?

Only four more days! Looking forward to it (I'm going to try to guess your combat area, but I can't imagine how I'd be able to tell at this point).

Oooo, that does sound familiar.  I think we fixed that in a later DLC or patch, didn't we?

When people say your choices don't  really matter in ME, it always kills me a little inside.  We spent so much time making the game work for everyones own experience.  Choices you make two games earlier can change what you see in ME3.  What other game has done that?  It's a testing nightmare.  I tip my hat and bow deeply in gratitude to the QA teams of Mass Effect.

I can't wait to talk to you about the DLC once its been released to the wild!

People that say the choices doesn't matter are only using hyperbole to express their disappointment. I agree that the choices doesn't matter as much as we expected and Bioware hyped before launch, but there's differences caused by our decisions, two playthroughs done differently are full of examples where our choice affect the experience, the choices matter.
 For instance, I'm playing now with a Shepard that killed Wrex on ME1, and dealing with Wreav is a complete different experience, even if it don't cause a massive difference on the overall story, the experience is different, and I like that, I have a different fealing for what is happening.



 Anyway, on topic, I bet on a scene with Thane's son as a way to give players a moment to say good bye. I strongly believe this is what was done, we will know soon...

[lyssalu]

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

that aave appropriation

[Rinji the Bearded]

RShara wrote...

I just asked my husband, with no context:

"If you were dying and I told you there would be a cure after you died, would you be mad, happy, or both?"
His answer was, "Why the hell would I be mad? I'd be happy that other people would get to survive!"

That's not what I had said, but ok! 

[Addictress]

Right. What I'm saying is that if Miranda takes off her shirt, so should Thane. At least in the flashbacks.

[Bill Casey]

jtav wrote...

"there is a small amount of content that only Thane romancers will see."

Dusty Everman wrote...

We tried to make a positive experience for those who romanced Thane.  We'll see in a week if you think that was successful or not.

Nice...
Thane needed some post death content...
It's a shame it's only romance exclusive...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 mars 2013 - 07:02 .

[Leonia]

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

that aave appropriation

Can I get a translator over here?

[Renmiri1]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Wow, I hope none of you are propositioned by a dying person any time soon.

really

I will admit it was kind of a low blow

But I, for one, would never tell a dying person that a miracle would happen, unless they wanted to hear it.

You have no clue, do you ?

2 years ago a very good friend died of cancer. He had been married for only a year when he was diagnosed, terminal cancer.

He did chemo and radio and everything else that could prolong the time he could spend with his wife. He felt natious and sick, the chemo burned his body, but he would not give up. Not because of himself, he was quite ok with dying. But he wanted to be there for his wife. And he stayed for almost a year, 6 months more than what the doctors gave him.

Tell me to my face again how you understand the mind of a terminally ill person.

You have no f**ing clue and I hope you never find out. Because it is devastating to loved ones and to the person.

A lot of us Thanemancers felt drawn to Thane PRECISELY because we have had a brush with terminal illness.

No go shoot some husks and leave the discussion to adults that know what they are talking about. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 mars 2013 - 07:02 .

[LanceSolous13]

Dusty Everman wrote...

devSin wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

There's a whole lot of could-be-dead characters we need to account for, and as far as I know, we fixed all those type bugs before ship.

Wasn't there still a bug where zombie-Tali would visit Shepard's quarters before the attack on Cronos (even though she jumped off a cliff on Rannoch)?

Only four more days! Looking forward to it (I'm going to try to guess your combat area, but I can't imagine how I'd be able to tell at this point).

Oooo, that does sound familiar.  I think we fixed that in a later DLC or patch, didn't we?

When people say your choices don't  really matter in ME, it always kills me a little inside.  We spent so much time making the game work for everyones own experience.  Choices you make two games earlier can change what you see in ME3.  What other game has done that?  It's a testing nightmare.  I tip my hat and bow deeply in gratitude to the QA teams of Mass Effect.

I can't wait to talk to you about the DLC once its been released to the wild!

I really wish people would back up these comments.

I can't really think of many choices from ME1 that actually change anything in ME3.

Maybe the councilor giving you a huge 'I'm-still-not-helping-you-or-aopologising-for-being-wrong' speach has a different model.

Maybe the very easily missed and not at all important email after the Rachni Mission reports something differently.

Maybe you did those 4 random side quests from ME1 and Conrad Verner survives after his heroic moment.

Besides the Vermire Survivor, who simply became shoved into the same role, and your love interest, I can't think of really any choices that aren't either unimportant or delivered in equally mundane exposition with, still, no impact or meaning or effect on anything else.

[radishson]

grey_wind wrote...

I'm a guy, and Thane was one of my favourite characters. His treatment in ME3 was complete sh!t, especially if he was your LI.

Personally, I always felt killing him off was the easy way out to conclude his character arc. I think it would have been a lot more interesting if he actually survived, and if we could explore what that would mean for his character. Does he suddenly find himself lost because he never planned beyond his inevitable death? Does he return to his battle sleep because he suddenly doesn't know what to do? What happens to his relationship with Kolyat now that the gloomy cloud of terminal illness is off their heads and they can reevaluate their relationship (past and present) with clearer minds? Does he believe he even deserves to live (especially if there's a very high moral price to pay to extend his lifespan)?

This is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.  Thane's wasted potential honestly frustrates me.