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[lyssalu]

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

that aave appropriation

Can I get a translator over here?

does it really only take the elimination of a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and a lack of punctuation at the end to make you lose your mind

[Han Shot First]

Bill Casey wrote...

jtav wrote...

"there is a small amount of content that only Thane romancers will see."

Dusty Everman wrote...

We tried to make a positive experience for those who romanced Thane.  We'll see in a week if you think that was successful or not.

Nice...
Thane needed some post death content...
It's a shame it's only romance exclusive...

I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread, so apologies if this has already been speculated on and beaten to death...

...but does anyone else think this might be a holo that Thane leaves for Fem Shep?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Renmiri1 wrote...

You have no clue, do you ?

2 years ago a very good friend died of cancer. He had been married for only a year when he was diagnosed, terminal cancer.

He did chemo and radio and everything else that could prolong the time he could spend with his wife. He felt natious and sick, the chemo burned his body, but he would not give up. Not because of himself, he was quite ok with dying. But he wanted to be there for his wife. And he stayed for almost a year, 6 months more than what the doctors gave him.

Tell me to my face again how you understand the mind of a terminally ill person.

You have no f**ing clue and I hope you never find out. Because it is devastating to loved ones and to the person.

A lot of us Thanemancers felt drawn to Thane PRECISELY because we have had a brush with terminal illness.

No go shoot some husks and leave the discussion to adults that know what they are talking about. 

More missing the point, I'm not here to dog on terminally ill people or tell who they can and cannot love

What I'm saying is that I personally find it problematic to engage in a relationship with a dying person if your mindset is that they (not others, but the terminally-ill person) will be cured, and not accepting that that cure may not arrive on time.  In Thane's case, it didn't.   Do I think that a cure could have been created?  Sure, under the right circumstance.  But I think his death was dealt with maturely enough.

[Leonia]

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

that aave appropriation

Can I get a translator over here?

does it really only take the elimination of a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and a lack of punctuation at the end to make you lose your mind

If I could understand you, we might be able to have a conversation. As it is, I just see insults being thrown willy nilly which is against the TOS for the forums.

Anyway, in a few days time we'll have our answers. May cool heads prevail until then.

[Maera Imrov]

@Han Shot First-

A sacrifice of Garrus for Thane would be something of great difficulty for my Shepard, as she views Garrus as a brother. It would be a fittingly difficult choice. I can get behind the concept of heavy cost for Thane's life. In fact, it was an option I had hoped to see explored in ME3, back before it launched and I used to muse to myself about what would happen. You could save Thane, but at what cost? What would you lose? What would you have to do to achieve it? Would it be something that would make Shepard doubt/dislike the person she saw in the mirror?

Instead of Garrus, insert whoever other than Thane is meaningful to your Shepard if you dislike Garrus.Though with the headcanon rapport I have between Thane, Garrus, and Shepard, a sacrifice of broGarrus would weigh pretty damned heavily on Thane as well. But that's headcanon.

My real issues with Thane's death in the game is the oddity of the fight. This has been hashed to death, how Shepard and co just kind of stand there, how Kirrahe is nowhere in sight, yet is there if Thane is not there to fill this role, etc. I also was utterly shocked by the fact that no one on your squad comments on his death at all. Especially Garrus who is written like Shepard's best friend/brother-in-arms if he isn't romanced. Even he had nothing at all to say. It was like he literally vanished from the game, and that was that.

As for his disease, and cures, etc: I'd be on board for a cure, if it came at a heavy price. It wouldn't be out of left field or infeasible, either, as LotSB pretty blatantly lays out the fact that he was viable for transplant at least at some point, and then there's the medigel for the lungs and so forth. There was a building precedent for it, but it was abandoned. Why, only the writers could say. But within the scope of the content we were given, I was mostly bothered by the fact that his character so quickly vanished off the radar after his rather poorly done death.

Well that and how the final bedside bit didn't really seem to be as deep and meaningful for a romanced Thane. It was really moving and fine, I would think, for a friends only femShep or maleShep, but for the romance it left me feeling something was lacking.

Modifié par Maera Imrov, 01 mars 2013 - 07:12 .

[LanceSolous13]

HJF4 wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

misogynist who treats you like an idiot,

This is a big thread, so can I ask who and what you're talking about here?

Kaidan, and his infamous "cheating" dialogue. He's a misogynist for expecting Shepard to stay loyal, even though he admits he moved on with a certain doctor. And only an idiot would go back to him after Horizon, and being so quick to judge her because she made a decision he didn't like.

At least that's the interpretation I have for my headcanon playthrough. I have another one whom does stay loyal, though personally I still think she's an idiot and kaidan a misogynist who treats her like an idiotic incubation chamber.

As far as I know Kaidan moved on to a doctor relunctantly while Shepard was thought to be dead. But yes, I do agree that Kaidan was wrong and especially wrong if he says that she cheated.

Reluctantly? Doctor?

I don't remember any doctor or reluctance, but I got the impression that Kaidan was involved with Lilith, the young woman from Horizon who you likely saw melt into a puddle of goo on the Collector's Ship.

If you are refering to the doctor that Kaidan becomes the 'pet project' of during the beginning of ME3, I don't think that's enough to say he was romantically involved.

And, yes, I hated that Kaidan dialogue. Good lord. No, Kaidan, Shepard didn't cheat on you. You abandoned her; Broke her heart in two. Thane was there for her when you weren't.

[RShara]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

You have no clue, do you ?

2 years ago a very good friend died of cancer. He had been married for only a year when he was diagnosed, terminal cancer.

He
did chemo and radio and everything else that could prolong the time he
could spend with his wife. He felt natious and sick, the chemo burned
his body, but he would not give up. Not because of himself, he was quite
ok with dying. But he wanted to be there for his wife. And he stayed
for almost a year, 6 months more than what the doctors gave him.

Tell me to my face again how you understand the mind of a terminally ill person.

You have no f**ing clue and I hope you never find out. Because it is devastating to loved ones and to the person.

A lot of us Thanemancers felt drawn to Thane PRECISELY because we have had a brush with terminal illness.

No go shoot some husks and leave the discussion to adults that know what they are talking about. 

More missing the point, I'm not here to dog on terminally ill people or tell who they can and cannot love

What
I'm saying is that I personally find it problematic to engage in a
relationship with a dying person if your mindset is that they (not others,
but the terminally-ill person) will be cured, and not accepting that
that cure may not arrive on time.  In Thane's case, it didn't.   Do I
think that a cure could have been created?  Sure, under the right
circumstance.  But I think his death was dealt with maturely enough.

So having hope is bad?

Modifié par RShara, 01 mars 2013 - 07:08 .

[LanceSolous13]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

You have no clue, do you ?

2 years ago a very good friend died of cancer. He had been married for only a year when he was diagnosed, terminal cancer.

He did chemo and radio and everything else that could prolong the time he could spend with his wife. He felt natious and sick, the chemo burned his body, but he would not give up. Not because of himself, he was quite ok with dying. But he wanted to be there for his wife. And he stayed for almost a year, 6 months more than what the doctors gave him.

Tell me to my face again how you understand the mind of a terminally ill person.

You have no f**ing clue and I hope you never find out. Because it is devastating to loved ones and to the person.

A lot of us Thanemancers felt drawn to Thane PRECISELY because we have had a brush with terminal illness.

No go shoot some husks and leave the discussion to adults that know what they are talking about. 

More missing the point, I'm not here to dog on terminally ill people or tell who they can and cannot love

What I'm saying is that I personally find it problematic to engage in a relationship with a dying person if your mindset is that they (not others, but the terminally-ill person) will be cured, and not accepting that that cure may not arrive on time.  In Thane's case, it didn't.   Do I think that a cure could have been created?  Sure, under the right circumstance.  But I think his death was dealt with maturely enough.

His death barely was delt with period.

No one comments on it.

It happens and no one discusses it ever again.

[Rinji the Bearded]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

His death barely was delt with period.

No one comments on it.

It happens and no one discusses it ever again.

The death itself, the circumstances of it I was fine with.  I wasn't really talking about the fallout or the reaction of others to it.

[Rinji the Bearded]

RShara wrote...

So having hope is bad?

Of course not.  But not accepting all outcomes as they are presented seems irresponsible.

[RShara]

It's great for a non-romanced Thane. For a romanced Thane, his character and death were horribly inadequate and out of character.

[Leonia]

RShara wrote...


So having hope is bad?

False hope can be dangerous, yes.

[RShara]

I'm pretty sure that the people I know who have serious diseases intend on fighting death to their very last breath even while knowing that they might not succeed. I don't see what this has to do with anything or has any impact on Thane's treatment (or lack thereof) in the story or DLC.

[New Display Name]

Reluctantly? Doctor?

ME2 email:
I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

I did not see anything indicating that Lilith and Kaidan had something going on versus just a friendship. Whereas it seems Kaidan starting dating a doctor.

[lyssalu]

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

seriously rinji i'd tell you to go color but i doubt you're evolved enough to have the oposable thumbs needed to hold a crayon

Dat sentence structure.

that aave appropriation

Can I get a translator over here?

does it really only take the elimination of a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and a lack of punctuation at the end to make you lose your mind

If I could understand you, we might be able to have a conversation. As it is, I just see insults being thrown willy nilly which is against the TOS for the forums.

Anyway, in a few days time we'll have our answers. May cool heads prevail until then.

you are so bad at the internet dude 

In any case, I don't want to engage in discourse with you.  I'm good at sensing when people on video game forums smell bad in real life.

[Rinji the Bearded]

RShara wrote...

I'm pretty sure that the people I know who have serious diseases intend on fighting death to their very last breath even while knowing that they might not succeed. I don't see what this has to do with anything or has any impact on Thane's treatment (or lack thereof) in the story or DLC.

Well, we don't know how Thane has been treated in the DLC yet.

[mnomaha]

@Lance...it was in his letter "About Horizon". He was dating or doctor or something...

I can't....I will never, and I repeat NEVER, accept everything that is thrown at me. I am a fighter and a survivor.

[grey_wind]

radishson wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

I'm a guy, and Thane was one of my favourite characters. His treatment in ME3 was complete sh!t, especially if he was your LI.

Personally, I always felt killing him off was the easy way out to conclude his character arc. I think it would have been a lot more interesting if he actually survived, and if we could explore what that would mean for his character. Does he suddenly find himself lost because he never planned beyond his inevitable death? Does he return to his battle sleep because he suddenly doesn't know what to do? What happens to his relationship with Kolyat now that the gloomy cloud of terminal illness is off their heads and they can reevaluate their relationship (past and present) with clearer minds? Does he believe he even deserves to live (especially if there's a very high moral price to pay to extend his lifespan)?

This is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.  Thane's wasted potential honestly frustrates me.

Shameless self-promotion, but I had made a thread on a possible way for him to survive, while still coming at a price. I'm going to copy-paste it here:

Whether Thane's arc should have ended with him dying or possibly getting the chance to live has been highly debated on the BSN, but I nonetheless feel there should have been a choice in the matter. What most people seem to be against, however, is a miracle cure.

Here's a little snippet from Mordin when talking about the Collectors in ME2-

Mordin: No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech.

So why not have Thane's cure come down to Collector technology? Find a way to replace the function of his lungs with Collector tech (effectively tinkering with Collector implants to account for Drell biology). However, Thane has always perceived Collector tech as inherently evil, and he's one of the half dozen squadmates who will always argue for destroying the Collector Base. Better yet, he's always had a very strong sense of his "soul".

So this is what the dilemma comes down to:
Do you forcefully save Thane using technology he despises, possibly causing him to resent you for destroying his "soul" with (in his eyes) abhorrent knowledge simply because you couldn't let him go? Or do you let him die, believing that he's found peace and respecting his decision not to utilize Collector implants?

Both sides are valid and can be justified, and the choice ultimately allows fans to end his arc the way they believe it should end.


[As to why he believes it destroys his soul, given his beliefs of the body and soul being separate:
Thane is resentful because no matter how much he despises the tech, he doesn't want to face death again given a second chance. And that could easily be his character arc: he believes he's destroyed his soul because, at the end of the day, a part of him is grateful for being saved, even by detestable means.]

[Also, just because Thane hates you initially after the cure, doesn't mean he'd hate you for the rest of the game. You regaining his approval could come down to various factors like Loyalty, Romance, certain dialogue options, Charm/Intimidate, etc. However, the road to regaining his trust should be a long and hard one. Ultimately, you have to decide if his character was stronger for living through the ordeal you put him through or if he died peacefully and acceptingly.]

[Eterna]

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

[LanceSolous13]

RinjiRenee wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

His death barely was delt with period.

No one comments on it.

It happens and no one discusses it ever again.

The death itself, the circumstances of it I was fine with.  I wasn't really talking about the fallout or the reaction of others to it.

You said that it was delt with maturely.

Delt - past tense of deal; to handel with respect and care

It implies what happens after a certain event; dealing with the fallout and aftermath.

There was no fallout and there was no aftermath.

The instant Thane dies, every lesbian on the Ship wants Shepard.

The instant Thane dies, Shepard will stare at Kaidan's ass and he'll invite Shepard to dinner.

The instant Thane dies, I lose any ability to believe this was written by a mature logical adult.

[Renmiri1]

Meh, a holo or a dream sequence..

Which would be very nice if that is all everyone else got. But it really stings that Thanemancers got shafted AGAIN. If you are hungry and the waiter gives you some bread you get happy. Then you see that for the same price all the other tables on the restaurant are having a feast, some are even having blueberry cake for desert. While all you get is bread and water.

S**s to be you is what most trolls here are saying to us. Others say "you chose badly". But nowhere on ME2 it was said that Thane would die mid mission.

On ME2 Thane specifically tells you he has 9 months to live, and not only being alive but being as skillful and as efficient as anyone else in Shepard's squad. Me2 takes 2-3 months so Thane has at least 6 months of useful healthy squadmate strength left on him. Yet all this got retconned on ME3. It wasn't we who chose badly, it was Bioware who did a "bait and switch". But who cares, right ? As long as you can shed your manly tears when the zombie Thane dies the very expected death - oh wait - noi he didn't. He dies not of disease but of suicide by sword. But you get to have your dramatic moment so us Thanemancers can go cry in a corner.

Ugh!

[LanceSolous13]

HJF4 wrote...

Reluctantly? Doctor?

ME2 email:
I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

I did not see anything indicating that Lilith and Kaidan had something going on versus just a friendship. Whereas it seems Kaidan starting dating a doctor.

My mistake. I retract my statement.

[RShara]

Okay maybe this will express what I'm saying better. You all remember Christopher Reeve, right? Cruel irony, that the guy who played Superman becomes paralyzed from the neck down?

Remembering Christopher Reeve

"Anyone who walks thru the tunnel and sees the light. And I am sure Chris did this when his accident occurred. And unless you have been on death's doorstep and truly at the mercy of whomever runs this life span. You never know the feeling of spiritual washing that happens when life comes back to your brain. Amazing the first thing you wonder is why have you been given this second chance. What really comes into your mind is that you are here for a reason. And you begin the search as to what that reason really is. This brings on a humility so real you never question it you just go with the flow. The moment of suicide always presents itself but only for a moment for some. Chris was left in a situation that allowed him to directly help a lot of people in his situation and certain things that surround his particular problem. So when speaking of his own fight which was very visible. Chris reached inside a lot of similar and not so bad as he. And he instilled tremendous strength of conviction and courage. And for this reason Christopher Reeve was truly a real life Superman." - Actor Jack O'Halloran

"He never gave up. He told me, 'so many of us able-bodied people' are paralyzed in our own lives. He was not." - Jane Seymour

[Rinji the Bearded]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Meh, a holo or a dream sequence..

Which would be very nice if that is all everyone else got. But it really stings that Thanemancers got shafted AGAIN. If you are hungry and the waiter gives you some bread you get happy. Then you see that for the same price all the other tables on the restaurant are having a feast, some are even having blueberry cake for desert. While all you get is bread and water.

S**s to be you is what most trolls here are saying to us. Others say "you chose badly". But nowhere on ME2 it was said that Thane would die mid mission.

On ME2 Thane specifically tells you he has 9 months to live, and not only being alive but being as skillful and as efficient as anyone else in Shepard's squad. Me2 takes 2-3 months so Thane has at least 6 months of useful healthy squadmate strength left on him. Yet all this got retconned on ME3. It wasn't we who chose badly, it was Bioware who did a "bait and switch". But who cares, right ? As long as you can shed your manly tears when the zombie Thane dies the very expected death - oh wait - noi he didn't. He dies not of disease but of suicide by sword. But you get to have your dramatic moment so us Thanemancers can go cry in a corner.

Ugh!

ME3 took place six months after the events of Arrival.  He actually lived beyond his expectations.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 01 mars 2013 - 07:18 .

[Exile Isan]

Maera Imrov wrote...
I also was utterly shocked by the fact that no one on your squad comments on his death at all. Especially Garrus who is written like Shepard's best friend/brother-in-arms if he isn't romanced. Even he had nothing at all to say. It was like he literally vanished from the game, and that was that.

I think this is what bothered me the most about Thane's death, was not the death itself, but the fact that nobody seemed to notice it. Even if you didn't romance him. Especially, in the conversation with Garrus at the memorial wall. So much could have been done with that scene, like Garrus mentioning it and Shep putting Thane's name on the wall, or just reaching out and touching his name on the wall, etc. Or Shep having flashback/memory of Thane if you went into Life Support post coup, if you romanced him. Little things like that would have gone a long way to taking the sting out of Thane's death. As it is now the only mention Thane gets post coup is when you take the renegade interrupt killing Kai Leng and only if nobody else died (like Miranda).