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[Renmiri1]

Eterna5 wrote...

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

You have not played the LI story arch. The underlined sentence is absolutely false if you play ME2 with Thane as your LI.

Talk less out of your arse and go youtube before you come here teach me about the character I took time to get to know.

[New Display Name]

Eterna5 wrote...

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

I think it's conceivable that the hanar or some other entity develops something that would not require lung replacements.

I also forgot to mention something about the endings...if Thane was alive during synthesis, if he was not immediately cured, I would imagine that it would become much easier. And control Shepard has access to all of the knowledge of the reapers.

[RShara]

Eterna5 wrote...

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

....no.
*facepalm*

I want the ability to bring up the lung transplant.  I want to offer him a longer life, since HE NOW WANTS TO LIVE. If he STILL refuses it (after a mature discussion on it, not one where Shep just nods stupidly), then I'd respect his decision.

[Addictress]

Inb4correctingdealt

[Eterna]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Meh, a holo or a dream sequence..

Which would be very nice if that is all everyone else got. But it really stings that Thanemancers got shafted AGAIN. If you are hungry and the waiter gives you some bread you get happy. Then you see that for the same price all the other tables on the restaurant are having a feast, some are even having blueberry cake for desert. While all you get is bread and water.

S**s to be you is what most trolls here are saying to us. Others say "you chose badly". But nowhere on ME2 it was said that Thane would die mid mission.

On ME2 Thane specifically tells you he has 9 months to live, and not only being alive but being as skillful and as efficient as anyone else in Shepard's squad. Me2 takes 2-3 months so Thane has at least 6 months of useful healthy squadmate strength left on him. Yet all this got retconned on ME3. It wasn't we who chose badly, it was Bioware who did a "bait and switch". But who cares, right ? As long as you can shed your manly tears when the zombie Thane dies the very expected death - oh wait - noi he didn't. He dies not of disease but of suicide by sword. But you get to have your dramatic moment so us Thanemancers can go cry in a corner.

Ugh!

Mass Effect 3 is about 6 or so months after the events of ME2. 

[Leonia]

Eterna5 wrote...

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

Sums up my thoughts. If Thane is at peace with his fate, why are his fans not also at peace? Granted, when compared to the other LIs, it does seem inadequate how he was "treated" but at the end of the day he's the writer's character and not the player's.  But if you're going to draw comparisons like that then it's worth noting that Thane is an optional character altogether and could have been skipped in ME2.  How are the writers supposed to make sense of headcanon and desires that don't compliment what was presented in the game?

Anyway, I don't think the writers are insensitive and I'm sure they've done something really nice in the upcoming DLC for Thane fans and I hope they get the closure they seek because everyone deserves to have that. What I don't want to see is a complete retconning of Thane's story and I doubt we'll be getting that anyway.

[Demon Velsper]

Dusty Everman wrote...

When people say your choices don't  really matter in ME, it always kills me a little inside.  We spent so much time making the game work for everyones own experience.  Choices you make two games earlier can change what you see in ME3.

Yeah, that Rachni queen choice from ME1 really changed things in ME3 didn't it?

[RShara]

omg okay for the reading impaired I have a screenshot.

This is a correction WRITTEN BY THANE'S ORIGINAL WRITER IN MASS EFFECT 2. Please no "wiki isn't reliable info" comments.

[LanceSolous13]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Meh, a holo or a dream sequence..

Which would be very nice if that is all everyone else got. But it really stings that Thanemancers got shafted AGAIN. If you are hungry and the waiter gives you some bread you get happy. Then you see that for the same price all the other tables on the restaurant are having a feast, some are even having blueberry cake for desert. While all you get is bread and water.

S**s to be you is what most trolls here are saying to us. Others say "you chose badly". But nowhere on ME2 it was said that Thane would die mid mission.

On ME2 Thane specifically tells you he has 9 months to live, and not only being alive but being as skillful and as efficient as anyone else in Shepard's squad. Me2 takes 2-3 months so Thane has at least 6 months of useful healthy squadmate strength left on him. Yet all this got retconned on ME3. It wasn't we who chose badly, it was Bioware who did a "bait and switch". But who cares, right ? As long as you can shed your manly tears when the zombie Thane dies the very expected death - oh wait - noi he didn't. He dies not of disease but of suicide by sword. But you get to have your dramatic moment so us Thanemancers can go cry in a corner.

Ugh!

ME3 took place six months after the events of Arrival.  He actually lived beyond his expectations.

Incorrect. It would be 9 months until Shepard's High-Pressure High-Activity Mission would be too great for him. Thus, we can assume much longer til he'd be on his death bed, right?

However, the 'My favorite doctor gave me 3 months to live... 9 months ago' is a retcon of the previous information.

Adding in that the desiese itself has completely changed, it can be said, they simply did not care.

[Exile Isan]

All those people saying that Thane is at peace with his death need to watch this.

If you romance him he is NOT at peace with dying anymore.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 01 mars 2013 - 07:23 .

[New Display Name]

but at the end of the day he's the writer's character and not the player's.

If that's your reasoning, do you think what they did with Jacob was totally fine? He is also technically optional because he can die in the suicide mission.

If Thane is at peace with his fate,

If you romance Thane in ME2 you get a very strong impression that he's afraid of dying and NOT at peace with his death.

[Masha Potato]

The point is that he wasn't at peace with his fate if you romance him in ME2. And then he had a minor personality flip about it in ME3, but hey i can name like 3 characters who didn't have weird personality flip in ME3.

I'm not sure who i'm talking to but whatever i guess

Modifié par Masha Potato, 01 mars 2013 - 07:24 .

[LanceSolous13]

HJF4 wrote...

but at the end of the day he's the writer's character and not the player's.

If that's your reasoning, do you think what they did with Jacob was totally fine? He is also technically optional because he can die in the suicide mission.

If Thane is at peace with his fate,

If you romance Thane in ME2 you get a very strong impression that he's afraid of dying and NOT at peace with his death.

You only get the impression of it on a non-romance Shepard.

Romanced, Thane spells it out for you that he's afraid of leaving Shepard and Kolyat alone.

[RShara]

[lyssalu]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Meh, a holo or a dream sequence..

Which would be very nice if that is all everyone else got. But it really stings that Thanemancers got shafted AGAIN. If you are hungry and the waiter gives you some bread you get happy. Then you see that for the same price all the other tables on the restaurant are having a feast, some are even having blueberry cake for desert. While all you get is bread and water.

S**s to be you is what most trolls here are saying to us. Others say "you chose badly". But nowhere on ME2 it was said that Thane would die mid mission.

On ME2 Thane specifically tells you he has 9 months to live, and not only being alive but being as skillful and as efficient as anyone else in Shepard's squad. Me2 takes 2-3 months so Thane has at least 6 months of useful healthy squadmate strength left on him. Yet all this got retconned on ME3. It wasn't we who chose badly, it was Bioware who did a "bait and switch". But who cares, right ? As long as you can shed your manly tears when the zombie Thane dies the very expected death - oh wait - noi he didn't. He dies not of disease but of suicide by sword. But you get to have your dramatic moment so us Thanemancers can go cry in a corner.

Ugh!

ME3 took place six months after the events of Arrival.  He actually lived beyond his expectations.

bioware only seem concerned with consistency when it's convenient for them.  for example. how about that dark energy?  it's not rational to praise a company for splotchy consistency, particularly when it's been stated that the only reason thane's romance content was so poorly implemented is because the writers completely forgot that he was an option.  that's so messy, dude.

[Maera Imrov]

Exile Isan wrote...

I think this is what bothered me the most about Thane's death, was not the death itself, but the fact that nobody seemed to notice it. Even if you didn't romance him. Especially, in the conversation with Garrus at the memorial wall. So much could have been done with that scene, like Garrus mentioning it and Shep putting Thane's name on the wall, or just reaching out and touching his name on the wall, etc. Or Shep having flashback/memory of Thane if you went into Life Support post coup, if you romanced him. Little things like that would have gone a long way to taking the sting out of Thane's death. As it is now the only mention Thane gets post coup is when you take the renegade interrupt killing Kai Leng and only if nobody else died (like Miranda).

Definitely was the thing that bothered me most, yep. So much so that just to kind of mollify my own 'wtf?' reaction, I penned a very short scene of Garrus and my Shep talking it over in front of the Wall of Names. Nothing mindblowingly awesome, but enough to have kind of brought closure to that little 'Three Amigos' thing for them I had built up in my head over the course of ME2. That the writers didn't have Joker or Garrus say something will baffle me for all time. Both are pretty much brother figures, at least to my Shep. Neither reacts. *shrugs*

[Rinji the Bearded]

Exile Isan wrote...

All those people saying that Thane is at peace with his death need to watch this.

If you romance him he is NOT at peace with dying anymore.

He didn't sound like that in ME3, when Shep meets up with him in the hospital.   He seems pretty certain that his final moments are upon him.  "It is not your time, but it is mine."  "It is a good end to a life."  And etc.

[lyssalu]

Masha Potato wrote...

The point is that he wasn't at peace with his fate if you romance him in ME2. And then he had a minor personality flip about it in ME3, but hey i can name like 3 characters who didn't have weird personality flip in ME3.

I'm not sure who i'm talking to but whatever i guess

woah wait who are the 3

[RShara]

Can people see why we're frustrated and feel like we're talking in circles. People who haven't even bothered to understand the differences in the character are coming here and telling us what we should and shouldn't want.

[LanceSolous13]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

All those people saying that Thane is at peace with his death need to watch this.

If you romance him he is NOT at peace with dying anymore.

He didn't sound like that in ME3, when Shep meets up with him in the hospital.   He seems pretty certain that his final moments are upon him.  "It is not your time, but it is mine."  "It is a good end to a life."  And etc.

EXACTLY why we're here in the first place. Thane in ME2 =/= Thane in ME3.

[New Display Name]

You only get the impression of it on a non-romance Shepard.

Romanced, Thane spells it out for you that he's afraid of leaving Shepard and Kolyat alone.

Yes...they could have had Thane die or resign himself to death for non-romance Shepards but have him fight to live with romanced Shepards, at least.

I might remember reading that someone from Bioware basically said that they forgot that Thane had a romance.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Masha Potato wrote...

The point is that he wasn't at peace with his fate if you romance him in ME2. And then he had a minor personality flip about it in ME3, but hey i can name like 3 characters who didn't have weird personality flip in ME3.

I'm not sure who i'm talking to but whatever i guess

Time did pass, he had time to think.  Was it really that strange?

[RShara]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

All those people saying that Thane is at peace with his death need to watch this.

If you romance him he is NOT at peace with dying anymore.

He didn't sound like that in ME3, when Shep meets up with him in the hospital.   He seems pretty certain that his final moments are upon him.  "It is not your time, but it is mine."  "It is a good end to a life."  And etc.

Yes. Inexplicable character reversal is one of the problems we have with ME3.  As if the writer never read Thanes romance arc either.  But that couldn't be the case could it?  <_<

[lyssalu]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

All those people saying that Thane is at peace with his death need to watch this.

If you romance him he is NOT at peace with dying anymore.

He didn't sound like that in ME3, when Shep meets up with him in the hospital.   He seems pretty certain that his final moments are upon him.  "It is not your time, but it is mine."  "It is a good end to a life."  And etc.

hence the lack of coherency in his story arc.  have you not realized by now that this is why people are complaining? 

[Mr.House]

leonia42 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

So basically people want to force thane to have a lung replacement despite the fact that he does not want one and has made peace with his death.

Why though? You want him to live just a little bit longer for your own selfish wants? You guys must really love him.

Sums up my thoughts. If Thane is at peace with his fate, why are his fans not also at peace? Granted, when compared to the other LIs, it does seem inadequate how he was "treated" but at the end of the day he's the writer's character and not the player's.  But if you're going to draw comparisons like that then it's worth noting that Thane is an optional character altogether and could have been skipped in ME2.  How are the writers supposed to make sense of headcanon and desires that don't compliment what was presented in the game?

Anyway, I don't think the writers are insensitive and I'm sure they've done something really nice in the upcoming DLC for Thane fans and I hope they get the closure they seek because everyone deserves to have that. What I don't want to see is a complete retconning of Thane's story and I doubt we'll be getting that anyway.

Because he was not at peace with his fate, because Shepard gave him a reason to live. This was before ME3 came and the new writer retcon that crap and decided to have Thane be fine he was going to die. Which ignores all the build up in his character, his romance, his LM and the stuff ofund in LotSB. Why can't peopele just amdit Bioware made a mistake with how Thane was treated in ME3?

Thane had a new writer in ME3 and the writer messed up.That's all there is to it. You say you don't want them to retcon Thanes story, they already did in ME3 and it sucks.

Modifié par Mr.House, 01 mars 2013 - 07:33 .