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[dreman9999]

crimzontearz wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

i cant believe they insist on killing off a terminally ill guy

I can't believe they retconned his disease's natureto make sure it made sense for him to certainly die

You were always told from the time you met him he was certainly going to die.

[jakal66]

Well you know to each his own, I was really pissed when Alenko turned out to be gay...I never pictured him like that and having him coming onto me...was to say the least disappointing.I mean we already had one guy doing it...I understand the need to do it...but nevertheless I hated that moment...

So Thane died, he was going to eventually die, they could have gone a different way but they didn't.You gotta learn to live with that...still there are hopes that something will be done in this dlc.May be his son...

Jacob, man I hated that guy in ME2, but then again I only have one playthrough as a female shep..and she got it going on with Garrus!

[Village_Idiot]

jakal66 wrote...

Well you know to each his own, I was really pissed when Alenko turned out to be gay

Kaidan is bisexual.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 22 février 2013 - 06:36 .

[Twilight_Princess]

dreman9999 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

i cant believe they insist on killing off a terminally ill guy

I can't believe they retconned his disease's natureto make sure it made sense for him to certainly die

You were always told from the time you met him he was certainly going to die.

You were told he was was dying that doesn't mean "jumps on sword after 1 conversation" and that didn't mean definitely dead during ME3. If Chris l’etoile said he didn't know how Thane's arc would continue after ME2 that means nothing was set in stone for him until the new writer took over and didn't bother to do his homework.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 22 février 2013 - 06:38 .

[Village_Idiot]

Thane's romance wasn't badly handled because he died. It was badly handled because there was precious little content before it happened.

Thane was always going to die, it's what made many of his conversations in ME2 so poignant, along with the romance arc. To have him miraculously survive severely cheapens his character.

That being said, any additional content with him would be welcomed. And there could possibly be some in this DLC.

[john-in-france]

I wonder if the issue is more female players vs male players in the negativity towards Thane.

Yes, he was going to die. When, was the question. More importantly, what was the point of saving Kirrahe otherwise? He has no major plot role other than to be a Thane replacement in the KL fight. Even more important...where was my Paragon/Renegade interrupt?

I'm a female player, John is Johanna...just for the record.

@Hyrule_Gal : Off to find the ME2 forum...I thought it had been shut down.

[Sable Rhapsody]

john-in-france wrote...

I wonder if the issue is more female players vs male players in the negativity towards Thane.

I wouldn't split it among gender lines.  I'd split it among informed vs. uninformed since a great deal of the content that hinted at a cure for Thane was strictily auxiliary (Cerberus News Network posts, Shadow Broker, etc.)   Everyone pays more attention to his/her favorite characters, and the details of other characters tend to get glossed.  Unromanced Thane undergoes very little character development in ME2, and his portrayal in ME3 is cursory but consistent.  Romanced Thane does not want to die, and that's very incongruous with the fatalistic Thane we seen in ME3.

[Demoiselle]

TheProtheans wrote...

Miranda probably won't feature in it either.
Once again the straight male players will get shafted, just like we did with Aria, the threesome with Ashley and Liara and having to make the impossible choice between staying loyal to Liara or giving it to Miranda.

   ... just going to assume that`s a joke. EDId be impressed at your trolling.

Modifié par Demoiselle, 22 février 2013 - 07:55 .

[crimzontearz]

dreman9999 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

i cant believe they insist on killing off a terminally ill guy

I can't believe they retconned his disease's natureto make sure it made sense for him to certainly die

You were always told from the time you met him he was certainly going to die.

no I was told it was a chronic bacterial infection seated in the lungs akin to cystic fibrosis that, according to logic, would GO AWAY if the lungs and bronchi were replaced with cloned ones (technology that is documented in game MANY times)...and then was told it was a blood disease akin to sickle cell anemia because that way it was more incurable

so I call bs

[Uncle Jo]

john-in-france wrote...

I wonder if the issue is more female players vs male players in the negativity towards Thane.

Yes, he was going to die. When, was the question. More importantly, what was the point of saving Kirrahe otherwise? He has no major plot role other than to be a Thane replacement in the KL fight. Even more important...where was my Paragon/Renegade interrupt?

I'm a female player, John is Johanna...just for the record.

@Hyrule_Gal : Off to find the ME2 forum...I thought it had been shut down.

They simply thought it would be cool for a master assassin like him to die while charging barehanded a guy space ninja with a sword.
I really like Thane and one of my femshep romanced him in ME2, but when I saw how he did die in the third installment, I spared her the disappointment (and the lols) by making him worthily pass away in the suicide mission.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 février 2013 - 08:07 .

[Village_Idiot]

crimzontearz wrote...

no I was told it was a chronic bacterial infection seated in the lungs akin to cystic fibrosis that, according to logic, would GO AWAY if the lungs and bronchi were replaced with cloned ones (technology that is documented in game MANY times)...and then was told it was a blood disease akin to sickle cell anemia because that way it was more incurable

so I call bs

Lung transplants buy time. As you've said, Thane's condition is similar to cystic fibrosis in that it's an accumulation of bacterial/fungal infection over time (see Shadow Broker dossiers). Antibiotics can control this to an extent, but the repeated recolonisation of the lungs eventually causes selection of resistant serotypes that are less responsive to such therapy.

The difficulty in these circumstances is that even if the lungs are replaced, it isn't a guaranteed eradication of all pathogenic organisms present in the airways. Admittedly medicine has probably come a long way in the MEverse, but it seems that many of todays problems (in this case antibiotic resistance) do still exist.

The fact is unfortunately, that if they want the guy to have a terminal illness that's how it'll be written. They perhaps didn't do thorough research on the realities behind the lore perhaps, but that isn't going to change their intent. Thane's condition not being bulletproof plausible makes little difference.

[crimzontearz]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no I was told it was a chronic bacterial infection seated in the lungs akin to cystic fibrosis that, according to logic, would GO AWAY if the lungs and bronchi were replaced with cloned ones (technology that is documented in game MANY times)...and then was told it was a blood disease akin to sickle cell anemia because that way it was more incurable

so I call bs

Lung transplants buy time. As you've said, Thane's condition is similar to cystic fibrosis in that it's an accumulation of bacterial/fungal infection over time (see Shadow Broker dossiers). Antibiotics can control this to an extent, but the repeated recolonisation of the lungs eventually causes selection of resistant serotypes that are less responsive to such therapy.

The difficulty in these circumstances is that even if the lungs are replaced, it isn't a guaranteed eradication of all pathogenic organisms present in the airways. Admittedly medicine has probably come a long way in the MEverse, but it seems that many of todays problems (in this case antibiotic resistance) do still exist.

The fact is unfortunately, that if they want the guy to have a terminal illness that's how it'll be written. They perhaps didn't do thorough research on the realities behind the lore perhaps, but that isn't going to change their intent. Thane's condition not being bulletproof plausible makes little difference.

actually, upon full transplant the lungs can be genetically engineered to be resistant, remember humans were already creating sentient organic constructs....

what I am saying is that this particular retcon is rather despicble

[Mixon]

Don't meet Thane before Cerberus attack and Kirahe will die instead

[Twilight_Princess]

Mixon wrote...

Don't meet Thane before Cerberus attack and Kirahe will die instead

Nope Thane still dies off screen (for some reason) if you do that

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 22 février 2013 - 08:25 .

[crimzontearz]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Mixon wrote...

Don't meet Thane before Cerberus attack and Kirahe will die instead

Nope Thane still dies off screen (for some reason) if you do that

I am not a thanemancer but goddamn....

[KBomb]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

And Garrus doesn't count unless you romanced him in ME2, otherwise, there is no chance to romance anyone other than Kaidan in ME3 if you're straight.

Modifié par KBomb, 22 février 2013 - 08:33 .

[Village_Idiot]

crimzontearz wrote...

actually, upon full transplant the lungs can be genetically engineered to be resistant, remember humans were already creating sentient organic constructs....

what I am saying is that this particular retcon is rather despicble

Presumably the gene therapy route is the research that which the Hanar are funding. Which would likely produce a cure in time, but as of ME3 isn't viable.

As I said though, if they wanted his disease to be terminal, it's gonna be terminal. There are plenty of plot points in the MEverse which aren't going to stand up to tough scrutiny (lest I start listing them off...), but it still doesn't invalidate them as far as the narrative goes. Example: I saw Kai Leng as a laughable antagonist, but like or lump it, he's still an antagonist, and he still "beats" Shepard on Thessia no matter what you do.

The difference is that Thane is a well-liked character, and a LI at that. His death, though pre-ordained since ME2, was never going to go down well.

[Hadeedak]

If they're worried about spoiling something.... I just really hope there's something to spoil, as opposed to "Spoilers, we forgot Thane was a love interest again."

[crimzontearz]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

actually, upon full transplant the lungs can be genetically engineered to be resistant, remember humans were already creating sentient organic constructs....

what I am saying is that this particular retcon is rather despicble

Presumably the gene therapy route is the research that which the Hanar are funding. Which would likely produce a cure in time, but as of ME3 isn't viable.

As I said though, if they wanted his disease to be terminal, it's gonna be terminal. There are plenty of plot points in the MEverse which aren't going to stand up to tough scrutiny (lest I start listing them off...), but it still doesn't invalidate them as far as the narrative goes. Example: I saw Kai Leng as a laughable antagonist, but like or lump it, he's still an antagonist, and he still "beats" Shepard on Thessia no matter what you do.

The difference is that Thane is a well-liked character, and a LI at that. His death, though pre-ordained since ME2, was never going to go down well.

I have no problem with it being pre-ordained.....I have a problem with bad writing and disparity

[Kidd]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Thane's romance wasn't badly handled because he died. It was badly handled because there was precious little content before it happened.

That's why I think Thane could be the romance path that benefits the very most from this DLC. For other characters (minus Jacob I guess), it's a little more of what is already there. For Thane, it's making something complete.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Legbiter wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Yes, they do. However this DLC is being described as re-uniting you with ME1/2 team mates and rekindling old romances. 

Maybe they'll have a wheezing hologram of Thane delivering a final message. 

I'm thinking probably a hologram recorded before the coup, or else maybe the DLC activates some additional scenes with Thane before the coup even though the rest of it doesn't happen until afterwards.

Narratively speaking, Thane pretty much has to die right after the coup is foiled. It would be kind of weird for him to recover fully from being stabbed, have DLC scenes, and *then* get worse and die later.

[Shad Croly]

john-in-france wrote...

Any more Thanemancers out there?

Yes and no. I don't have a Fem!Shep playthrough to romance Thane, but I do really like him as a romance option. Him and Garrus (Kaiden not so much, since I prefer him being gay with my Male!Shep). I will definitely be interested in seeing what Bioware does with the Thane romance.

Modifié par Shad Croly, 22 février 2013 - 08:43 .

[Village_Idiot]

crimzontearz wrote...

I have no problem with it being pre-ordained.....I have a problem with bad writing and disparity

That's fair enough. It's just I don't see his death and condition as being poorly written. We can agree to disagree there.

The lack of content before (and after) his demise however, is another matter. If these hints BW are dropping have any meaning, maybe this DLC will address that.

[Mixon]

thx god I am not FemShep fan

[Eterna]

More like Necromancers amiright lol

I'll just see myself out.