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[Eterna]

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

[_Heather_Shepard_]

Great, another idiot trying to crap on other people's hopes.

[Countess Cutlass]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

I honestly need a t-shirt that says, in all caps: IT'S NOT THAT HE DIES, OKAY, IT'S THAT THERE WAS BARELY ANY SHEPARD-THANE INTERACTION OR ROMANCE CONTENT

It'd be a big t-shirt, but.  Like, I love that he died.  I love tragic romances.  But it really wasn't a romance, because the friend track is almost identical to the romance track.  So, why isn't it okay to be disappointed about that?  I know all the ME2 romances got the shaft (except Garrus, god bless him), but I still don't understand why people are tsk-tsking over Thane-lovahs who are disappointed that their favorite character isn't in the final game much.

Modifié par Countess Cutlass, 02 mars 2013 - 03:33 .

[N7Keller]

Countess Cutlass wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

I honestly need a t-shirt that says, in all caps: IT'S NOT THAT HE DIES, OKAY, IT'S THAT THERE WAS BARELY ANY SHEPARD-THANE INTERACTION OR ROMANCE CONTENT

It'd be a big t-shirt, but.  Like, I love that he died.  I love tragic romances.  But it really wasn't a romance, because the friend track is almost identical to the romance track.  So, why isn't it okay to be disappointed about that?  I know all the ME2 romances got the shaft (except Garrus, god bless him), but I still don't understand why people are tsk-tsking over Thane-lovahs who are disappointed that their favorite character isn't in the final game much.

I see more poeple complain about how there is no cure then what you have a problem with. Just look at the persons banner above you. After seeing what little Thane romance interactions the fem sheps get, I can understand that it would suck. More so that he is going to die and you know this. There should have been a long, heartwarming, scene with him before he gets hurt and dies.

[JECW]

Countess Cutlass wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

I honestly need a t-shirt that says, in all caps: IT'S NOT THAT HE DIES, OKAY, IT'S THAT THERE WAS BARELY ANY SHEPARD-THANE INTERACTION OR ROMANCE CONTENT

It'd be a big t-shirt, but.  Like, I love that he died.  I love tragic romances.  But it really wasn't a romance, because the friend track is almost identical to the romance track.  So, why isn't it okay to be disappointed about that?  I know all the ME2 romances got the shaft (except Garrus, god bless him), but I still don't understand why people are tsk-tsking over Thane-lovahs who are disappointed that their favorite character isn't in the final game much.

Exacly.
It's like talking to a brick wall. How many times do whe have to say that this isn't about him dying.
It's about how bad his romance was in ME3. It's about how bad Thane was treated in ME3.

[jtav]

You have to say it because we hear complaints about mandatory death much more often.

[JECW]

No you don't.
People do mention his death because we didn't want him to die, but that is not the only reason we complain. There were several things wrong with Thane in ME3 and people have mentioned them along with his death. For some reason you just choose to focus on that one thing.

[X in 415]

Dusty Everman wrote...

devSin wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

There's a whole lot of could-be-dead characters we need to account for, and as far as I know, we fixed all those type bugs before ship.

Wasn't there still a bug where zombie-Tali would visit Shepard's quarters before the attack on Cronos (even though she jumped off a cliff on Rannoch)?

Only four more days! Looking forward to it (I'm going to try to guess your combat area, but I can't imagine how I'd be able to tell at this point).

Oooo, that does sound familiar.  I think we fixed that in a later DLC or patch, didn't we?

When people say your choices don't  really matter in ME, it always kills me a little inside.  We spent so much time making the game work for everyones own experience.  Choices you make two games earlier can change what you see in ME3.  What other game has done that?  It's a testing nightmare.  I tip my hat and bow deeply in gratitude to the QA teams of Mass Effect.

I can't wait to talk to you about the DLC once its been released to the wild!

Are you serious?  you know what kills me?  The fact that no matter what, it ends the same.  My character that blazed through the game doing minimal side quests sees that same exact ending choice colors as my character that did EVERYTHING.  Would it have killed you to make a 4th ending that required every single side quest in all games to be completed, plus all the EMS/war garbage to be found, where Shepard kicked butt and flew off like a boss?  The whole series was about this being the players individual story........up until the final game where it suddenly became Bioware's story.  Im beating a dead horse, but I cannot express how disappointed I am in how the series took a nose dive.  Its a damn shame.  

[Artifex_Imperius]

i wish more for thane but he would have not wanted it to end in any other way. dying in pitch hand to hand combat. living comes only second to the thrill of combat and thrusting of the blade. he was an assassin a warrior by heart. succumbing to disease would have soiled his warriors spirit. as an assassin a taker of life, he has accepted his fate to end as brutally as the many lives he has taken away. through that end his sins are washed away in blood. in the end i wish he could have taken kai-leng with him to meet death that would made it more epic. a warrior dying in combat saying good bye to his lover soo epic way to end.

[CheeseEnchilada]

 Ahh, it feels good to de-lurk. BSN may have changed since the last time I posted, but at least this argument is familiar. 

Whether or not there should have been an option to save Thane or not is a big, steaming pot of YMMV that's ultimately a moot point anyway. Everyone sees and reacts differently to death, whether in real life or in the media, and there's going to be strong feelings on all sides of the fence. Seeing as how that's been pretty well covered, I'll just move on and state the one thing I want from this DLC.

I want my Paramour achievement. I can understand why it probably wasn't given to Thane--he dies right before you can lock in with other romances, and they likely wanted to give the chance to let the player move on (and, y'know, the whole 'forgetting he was a romance' thing). But since this takes place after the coup, I'm hoping it'll quietly be awarded if Shepard chooses to turn down the other options. I wish we could cite Thane's death as a reason for doing so, but I doubt that'll be implemented, no matter how irritating it is to have Kaidan 'forgive Shepard for cheating' directly after it happens. 

Overall though, I can understand the lack of enthusiasm, as I share it. It's kind of hard to get pumped about this DLC knowing Shepard might receive a holovid or finally get a conversation with squaddies about how their LI was skewered, seeing as the latter at least really, really should have been in the main game. The ball was dropped, the damage done, and now we're getting a band-aid thrown on it; not great, but at this point, I'm ready to take what I can get (especially since it's incredibly likely I won't be getting anything for Jacob. Ugh.). 

I'm really excited for Jack, but if Thane just get a cursory mention and is thrown under the bus again, I think I'll be skipping this. So let's hope that this DLC gives Thanemancers some good content, even if it isn't necessarily what some wanted. If not, well, I'll save fifteen bucks and run back to ME2 once more.

And now that I've writen all that, back to lurking! 

(Edit: formatting? What's that?)

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 02 mars 2013 - 04:11 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

i wish more for thane but he would have not wanted it to end in any other way.

Unless you romanced him in ME2. 

 a warrior dying in combat saying good bye to his lover soo epic way to end.

He doesn't

[Lucky Thirteen]

jtav wrote...

You have to say it because we hear complaints about mandatory death much more often.

I don't know how many times I've said it, how many posts I made. The banner below I made 6 days after the release of ME3 and many people use it. Maybe because most of us don't hang around the BSN anymore you don't see it?

You'll probably find posts in the past where I said I think curing him would be nice but the realist in me doesn't like it.  You can probably find posts in the past where I've said, if Thane had to die, I'd rather see him go down fighting and saving some lives. That part turned out fine, but it was 10 hours into my game after only a couple of lines of dialogue. I went back to that character a dozen times before he died and when he did die, I was pissed off not because he died but because he had no story. I know people, even ones who didn't romance him, people who played male Shepard, quit playing the game after Thane died because he was a favorite.

Honestly, I think these days they could have gotten away with never curing him. They could have had him sick in the hospital the entire game, had him survive the fight with Kai Leng because Kirrahe was alive to help. In ME2, he already had a entire mission with almost no violence and a lot of talking, lots of storytelling. He could have been giving Shepard advice, philosophizing, telling ancient drell stories, and for romance, being the lover waiting for the
soldier to come home and sending super secret, encrypted love letters to her inbox. And for people who don't care for that crap, people who imagine their Shepard not being friendly with Thane, well, they don't have to keep going back to talk to him.

He really didn't have to do anything physical for the whole game, just sit on his butt and be the wise, stoic monk type character he is.

[flemm]

Well, I'm just stopping by to say that I support you guys, and hope that this DLC either gives you what you want, or, failing that, at least what you need to be at peace with it.

[RShara]

At this point in time, I admit that I won't be happy with less than a life extension through the end of the game. But that's far from the only thing wrong with his character. If they allowed him to live but kept that completely non-Thane characterization, it'd be just as bad as if they kept him dead.

[mnomaha]

Thank you flemm. Kinda hoping that myself, but kinda doubting it.

[Versus Omnibus]

norcalgamer wrote...

There should have been a long, heartwarming, scene with him before he gets hurt and dies.

That's my main problem: instead of dying by the disease we've been told multiple times he gets killed by some random space ninja. Why Shepard didn't try to help Thane continues to confuse me.

[radishson]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

You do realize a lot of Thane fans and Thanemancers are in support of that post, right?  Regardless of that person's personal experiences, claiming ownership over a narrative's interpretation is irrational.  There have been COUNTLESS "cure" supporters who have used their own traumatic medical histories and journeys as reasoning behind their desires to see Thane's arc end differently.  As someone who deals with a serious mental health disorder that has threatened my life in the past and continues to on a daily basis, Thane's unexplained acceptance of death in ME3 genuinely terrifies me.  Death is something I fight against everyday.  Seeing a character I deeply connect with regress into complacency does not "give me hope".  It does the exact opposite, in extreme measures.  This is one of the reasons I will never romance him.

The strength Skiesovergideon is albe to draw from Thane's ME3 treatment should not invalidate how painful it is for me, and vice versa.  No personal attachment or interpretation of a fictional character is any more valid than another.   Furthermore, distaste for bad writing and sloppy production in a ficticious video game universe should never be extrapolated as evidence towards the level of respect & compassion one has for disabled, ill, or otherwise non-able bodied people in the real world.

Modifié par radishson, 02 mars 2013 - 05:38 .

[Han Shot First]

Dusty Everman wrote...

Then last year not one, but two games got me to cry. One was Telltale's: The Walking Dead, and I don't want to spoil anything by saying when. The other one was Mass Effect 3, when I played it at home after ship. And the scene that did it was Thane's death scene. I'm a sucker for father/son moments, and when I was told the prayer was for me, oh man, it was too much. And it was awesome. It sits as a high moment in gaming for me.

To say that was a waste of an amazing character, I personally have to disagree. My love for Thane lead me to an emotional experience that I hadn't encounter before in a game. It is sad that Thane was gone, but that in part is what made it special to me. I do acknowledge that he wasn't my love interest, but I think if he was, I would have had the expectation that it was a romance destined for tragedy.  It's a Romeo and Juliet tale; It's a bitter sweet ending.  I say this as a fan, and not speaking officially for BioWare.  It's just my opinion.

 

Well said, and I totally agree.

Regardless of whether or not Thane should have had a bigger role in ME3, the death bed scene at Huerta Memorial was one of the best scenes in the entire series.

[flemm]

radishson wrote...
The strength Skiesovergideon is albe to draw from Thane's ME3 treatment
should not invalidate how painful it is for me, and vice versa.  No personal attachment or interpretation of a fictional character is any more valid than another.   Furthermore, distaste for bad writing and sloppy production in a ficticious video game universe should never be extrapolated as evidence towards the level of respect & compassion one has for disabled, ill, or otherwise non-able bodied people in the real world.

Yeah, I agree with this. While I'm sure that blog post was well-intentioned, and I admire some of the sentiments expressed in it, it goes too far towards suggesting that other people are wrong to feel how they feel.

Modifié par flemm, 02 mars 2013 - 05:27 .

[Renmiri1]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Food for thought: skiesovergideon.tumblr.com/post/44326290914/regarding-the-lack-of-thane-in-the-citadel-dlc

Honestly ? She did not play ME2. Or doesn't remember, due to the attachment she feels to ME3 story arc for Thane. 

 it grieves me – it hurts my heart, to be quite honest – to see people say “**** you, Bioware, for doing exactly what you told us you would do.” Because it feels like someone is trying to take something deeply personal from me

Bioware most certainly did NOT tell us they would kill Thane 1/3rd into ME3.  They had a facebook campaign to save Thane FFS!

And what's with "taking away something deeply personal from me" ? 

Girl, I'm really happy for you that you found some solace about your health issues on ME3. I'm happy you can play and enjoy the game. I'm happy you feel good when you think about the story.

I don't. And it is quite nasty for you to say that I have to feel like you or I am taking away something from you. I'll give you a break because you are going through a lot of stress but listen to this: NO ONE can take away your feelings and your connection to a game or a story. But conversely you can not impose your view about a game or story TO NO ONE.

That is not how fiction works. The sooner you learn this the better because if my feelings about a game are making you lose sleep then you need to learn to care less about other people's opinions and be content with yours. Because you can't change my mind, I myself can't, even if I wanted to. Feelings are funny like that, they come from the heart, not from the brain,

And I  have a right to my feelings just as you do to yours. I respect yours and I'm happy for you.All I ask is that you respect mine, or at least ignore me. I don't want to add to your stress but I feel what I feel and this isn't going to change.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 05:28 .

[RShara]

Han Shot First wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

Then
last year not one, but two games got me to cry. One was Telltale's: The Walking Dead, and I don't want to spoil anything by saying when. The other one was Mass Effect 3, when I played it at home after ship. And the scene that did it was Thane's death scene. I'm a sucker for father/son moments, and when I was told the prayer was for me, oh man, it was too much. And it was awesome. It sits as a high moment in gaming for me.

To say that was a waste of an amazing character, I personally have to disagree. My love for Thane lead me to an emotional experience that I hadn't encounter before in a game. It is sad that Thane was gone, but that in part is what made it special to me. I do acknowledge that he wasn't my love interest, but I think if he was, I would have had the expectation that it was a romance destined for tragedy.  It's a Romeo and Juliet tale; It's a bitter sweet ending.  I say this as a fan, and not speaking officially for BioWare.  It's just my opinion.

 

Well said, and I totally agree.

Regardless of whether or not Thane should have had a bigger role in ME3, the death bed scene at Huerta Memorial was one of the best scenes in the entire series.

I'm sorry, but watching Shepard stare at Thane like a stranger as he coughs out his life, then move on to get hit on by everything walking really cuts into the impact of the scene.

My primary feeling during that scene was irritation at how Shepard was behaving, appreciation of the wording of the prayer (yes it was touching, but the scene itself was insufficient), and then anger at the lack of connection and emotion between the two who should be dearly beloveds.

Then pissed off when Kaidan starts flirting with me, and Garrus tells me how glad he is that no one died in the coup.

Modifié par RShara, 02 mars 2013 - 05:30 .

[JECW]

No one said Thane should have had a bigger role in ME3, and for some of us that deathbed scene was far from the best.

[radishson]

flemm wrote...

radishson wrote...
The strength Skiesovergideon is albe to draw from Thane's ME3 treatment
should not invalidate how painful it is for me, and vice versa.  No personal attachment or interpretation of a fictional character is any more valid than another.   Furthermore, distaste for bad writing and sloppy production in a ficticious video game universe should never be extrapolated as evidence towards the level of respect & compassion one has for disabled, ill, or otherwise non-able bodied people in the real world.

Yeah, I agree with this. While I'm sure that blog post was well-intentioned, and I admire some of the sentiments expressed in it, it goes too far towards suggesting that other people are wrong to feel how they feel.

Exactly.  Everything Renmiri1 said I agree with as well.

[Renmiri1]

What people seem to completely forget is that when Shepard meets Thane in the hospital things are pretty hopeless for Earth. Reapers have a massive force and Earth has no way of matching it.

So Thane says "my illness is hopeless, yay let me die moping" to someone who is seeing her entire planet die and there is absolutely nothing she can do. Not realistically. What stops Shepard from agreeing with Thane and joining him at the hospital waiting for the inevitable death ? Why fight ? Earth is doomed and pretty much dead.

Yet ME3 shows Shepard refusing to give up against impossible odds, making people who have been enemies for centuries talk, etc.. And they want the same Shepard to be fine with her lover just giving up and jumping on a sword.

The Shepard that does not give up on Earth would NEVER give up on her lover. Would NEVER sit quietly and take his decision to give up without questioning it.

The only option that makes sense for that Shepard we are forced to play on Thane's story arc is Refusal. Like Thane she chooses death and doesn't care about what happens to anyone she ever knew, to her squad mates, to her planet, her people. This is what Thane did. The Shepard that accepts it without a single complaint will do the same. Decide for everyone, take death in her own hands and let the new generations worry about life.

Yet we all know Refusal is the troll ending. Is the ending Bioware wants to show us how bad things can get if we tell their beloved catalyst to F**K OFF. Thane mancers are given the same troll nihilistic, leap into certain death and who cares about anything or anyone resolution for Thane. And we have to think it was "Awesome" 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 05:54 .