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[LeandroBraz]

RShara wrote...

Leandro, it's great for a broShep, but for a romance Shep, the scene was emotionless and unsatisfying.

I disagree, the scene have the same strenght, it just don't have anything different, special for the romance. What I see there is 3 people that accepted Thane's fate. 

 I think the only mistake they did with Thane was the same with Jack, there's none real special, unique moment between them when you have the romance, but specifically on the death scene, I really don't see the problem...

[Renmiri1]

mnomaha wrote...

Yeah well I know it wasn't anybody I know. And since there was no proof, and more importantly NO ONE else at BW said anything, I'm am deeming in invalid.

You know PR people can be really sneaky but I don't think they'd go as far as inventing a threat. Besides Jessica is less evil than Chris, so I'm inclined to believe it more coming from her. 

[David7204]

There have been probably hundreds of threats on BioWare employees in the past year. If there was a press release for every one, that's all they would talk about.

This is just silly.

Modifié par David7204, 02 mars 2013 - 08:42 .

[RShara]

If you read the entire post about "Bioware Must Burn" you can see that it contains no actual threats, just frustrated venting. It's not actually a problem.

Leandro: The strength is in the perception and the immersion. MY Shepard would never sit there staring stonily while the man she loves dies. MY Shepard would never refrain from at least, "I love you," and holding his hand as he passes.

There is no content there for a romanced Thane. For someone who expects MORE than just a friend-goodbye, it is disappointing in the extreme.

Imagine if your LI died acting as if you'd been friendzoned the whole time. Would you not feel disappointed and annoyed?

[RShara]

david7204: OMG WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! Yes, this entire freak out over a misunderstood series of conversations is silly,

[Renmiri1]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Is Thane worth romancing in ME2? I'm replaying the game and want to romance someone other than Garrus this time. Thane has a certain appeal to him but his ME3 fate makes me wonder.

I guess we'll see what kind of acknowledgement he gets in this DLC. Though anything is a step up from Garrus, Joker and EDI forgetting his existence post-Coup.

There's no point romancing Thane period anymore. I deleted my Thane ormance pt a year ago, it's done. You might as well stick with Garrus and remeber Thane as he was in ME2. A well written character.

Agreed. Don't do this to yourself. It isn't worth it and will not let you enjoy any aspect of ME after it because you will feel so definitely utterly trolled by Bioware that you want to see them die in a fire. And those are the good days. 

Errr.. That wasn't a threat, we use it on wow to
http://www.urbandict...m=die in a fire

3. die in a fire Term used by UO guild Evil Bastages in the 1990’s to express hatred/worthlessness to another player. Many other guilds followed throughout the years.

[mnomaha]

@radishson, I believe that was done much later than what JM is talking about. Also, the post on dA has been removed. Not sure about Tumblr. And it had nothing to do with bombs.

And it is completely irrelevant unless I see whatever she was referring to in the first place.

[radishson]

JECW wrote...

It could be someone who's still upset about the ending.

No.  http://mythlover20.t...oware-must-burn
That text was copied from a journal entry in the Thane deviantArt group linked to at the top of the post.  Its since been taken down over there, though.

[RShara]

radishon: JECW is talking about the bomb threat.
If you actually READ mythlover's post, there are no threats in it. None. She is sad and frustrated and venting about Thane's treatment.

EDIT:  FYI, due to the lack of reading comprehension and knee jerk responses that she received after that post, she's now withdrawn from every group and is probably feeling pretty miserable.

Modifié par RShara, 02 mars 2013 - 08:51 .

[radishson]

Come on guys, really? Can't you just take ownership over this? Merizan was pretty obviously suggesting it was a Thane fan. I don't see why she would fabricate that. PLUS there's already proof that other threats were made. When you have to make excuses for parts of your fanbase wanting people to burn, that's a pretty bad sign.

[Renmiri1]

radishson wrote...

JECW wrote...

It could be someone who's still upset about the ending.

No.  http://mythlover20.t...oware-must-burn
That text was copied from a journal entry in the Thane deviantArt group linked to at the top of the post.  Its since been taken down over there, though.

radishon I'm a mom of 2 kids who has never killed a fly. I would never threaten anyone let alone a company in Canada, because of one bad videogame. Heck I'm a big fan of Dragon Age and I would never want to see BW destoroyed before they can finish DA Inquisition!

But you will see me using the slang "die in a fire" in this very thread, I posted it above. It was just a term to express my disgust at the ME team's attitude towards Thanemancers. There is no threat there and that post is still here on the thread, I never got a ban for it or reported. No one took it seriously.

The "Bioware must burn" post is the same, another harmless frustrated fan, spitting mad, yes, but not really proposing any violent action. This is the internet ffs. People go way above this insults every single day. 

And as JECW posted above, BW probably gets threats often so I doubt they would confuse a frustrated fan with a real danger.  Jessica Merizan was spooked by it I doubt it was just a hotheaded post on deviant art. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 08:57 .

[radishson]

RShara wrote...

radishon: JECW is talking about the bomb threat.
If you actually READ mythlover's post, there are no threats in it. None. She is sad and frustrated and venting about Thane's treatment.

EDIT:  FYI, due to the lack of reading comprehension and knee jerk responses that she received after that post, she's now withdrawn from every group and is probably feeling pretty miserable.

Dude there is violent, threatening material IN THE TITLE OF THE POST.  Sorry, I don't care someone gets backlash for saying something like that.  Like, what the **** guys.  Why are you defending this???

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Renmiri1 wrote...

radishon I'm a mom of 2 kids who has never killed a fly. I would never threaten anyone let alone a company in Canada, because of one bad videogame. Heck I'm a big fan of Dragon Age and I would never want to see BW destoroyed before they can finish DA Inquisition!

But you will see me using the slang "die in a fire" in this very thread, I posted it above. It was just a term to express my disgust at the ME team's attitude towards Thanemancers. There is no threat there and that post is still here on the thread, I never got a ban for it or reported. No one took it seriously.

The "Bioware must burn" post is the same, another harmless frustrated fan, spitting mad, yes, but not really proposing any violent action. This is the internet ffs. People go way above this insults every single day. 

And as David posted above, BW probably gets threats often so I doubt they would confuse a frustrated fan with a real danger.  Jessica Merizan was spooked by it I doubt it was just a hotheaded post on deviant art. 

So because they "probably get threats often" it isn't suddenly a telling sign of the immaturity our fanbase finds excuseable?  You're equally in the wrong if you think "die in a fire" is a proper way to word frustration over fictional events.

Whether or not you guys realise, it makes you look even WORSE for denying theres an issue.  how hard is it to say "those people made mistakes and it was wrong, we need to tone down"?

Modifié par radishson, 02 mars 2013 - 09:03 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Only threats I ever made was one where I wanted to feast on the eyes of the EA admins.

But lol, someone really made a bomb threat?

[LeandroBraz]

RShara wrote...

If you read the entire post about "Bioware Must Burn" you can see that it contains no actual threats, just frustrated venting. It's not actually a problem.

Leandro: The strength is in the perception and the immersion. MY Shepard would never sit there staring stonily while the man she loves dies. MY Shepard would never refrain from at least, "I love you," and holding his hand as he passes.

There is no content there for a romanced Thane. For someone who expects MORE than just a friend-goodbye, it is disappointing in the extreme.

Imagine if your LI died acting as if you'd been friendzoned the whole time. Would you not feel disappointed and annoyed?

Okay, at least a dialogue wheel at that point would be nice, so you can choose what to do, I will give you that. Personally I like that silent approach, but it's really a personal thing, it's my way to react to this kind of situation.

 What would you guys think of a scene with Kolyat on the DLC, Where Shepard and Kolyat would talk about Thane? I strongly believe they will do something like that...

[RShara]

Um excuse me, did you read the exchange? OR the post? Does Jessica have any idea who mnomaha is, or what fanbase she's in, or what fanbase the threater came from?

mnomaha ‏@JessicaMerizan Please tell me you're either joking or that it wasn't one of mine.

Jessica Merizan ‏@mnomaha I'm not joking.

mnomaha ‏@JessicaMerizan Oh ****, does that mean it was one of my crowd?

Jessica Merizan ‏@mnomaha If you are immediately jumping to that conclusion then yes it probably is.

Jessica Merizan ‏@mnomaha You found the comments I'm referring to?


mnomaha never found anything and concluded she was mistaken.

And how many times have you said that you hoped someone dies in a fire? Or something like GRR DIEDIEDIE.

It's called hyperbole, and verbal catharsis. Thanks.

[RShara]

LeandroBraz wrote...

RShara wrote...

If you read the entire post about "Bioware Must Burn" you can see that it contains no actual threats, just frustrated venting. It's not actually a problem.

Leandro: The strength is in the perception and the immersion. MY Shepard would never sit there staring stonily while the man she loves dies. MY Shepard would never refrain from at least, "I love you," and holding his hand as he passes.

There is no content there for a romanced Thane. For someone who expects MORE than just a friend-goodbye, it is disappointing in the extreme.

Imagine if your LI died acting as if you'd been friendzoned the whole time. Would you not feel disappointed and annoyed?

Okay, at least a dialogue wheel at that point would be nice, so you can choose what to do, I will give you that. Personally I like that silent approach, but it's really a personal thing, it's my way to react to this kind of situation.

 What would you guys think of a scene with Kolyat on the DLC, Where Shepard and Kolyat would talk about Thane? I strongly believe they will do something like that...

To be honest, I'd find that pretty abhorrent.  Basically angst for the sake of angst.  I'm sorry your father is dead!  I'm sorry my dad is dead!  I wish I hadn't hated him for so long!  I wish I loved him longer!  Argh, sorry, no.

I want quality time with THANE, not with his son.

[Renmiri1]

I'd like it, particularly if it had some of t those Drell flashbacks where you can even smell the air of the day it happened But here is the thing. Everyone else gets so much more. Why ? What is it with BSN and Bioware that they don't see how unfair it is ?

[Terraforming2154]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I'd like it, particularly if it had some of t those Drell flashbacks where you can even smell the air of the day it happened But here is the thing. Everyone else gets so much more. Why ? What is it with BSN and Bioware that they don't see how unfair it is ?

It is rather strange.

I can't imagine the outcry if other LIs had the same treatment as Thane. It isn't so much about him dying, but just the overall lack of romantic content you guys had with him. One awkward grope in the hospital and no to choice to have Shepard do anything but stand there passively when he dies. 

I mean, look at Miranda's death scene (which is entirely optional) in comparison to Thane's (which is inevitable ). There is such a lack in emotion in Shepard at Thane's death that it is offputting. I'm surprised more people don't see that.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 02 mars 2013 - 09:11 .

[Ananka]

I certainly hope there's some Thane content in the DLC. Not Kolyat content- Thane. Thane isn't my canon romance option, but I hate how BW treated him in ME3. I don't have a problem with him dying, but I do have a problem with the lack of interaction with him before the Citadel coup, the lack of extra content if you're in a romance with him and the fact that nobody in your crew even reacts to him dying. Fact is, Thanemancers and Jacobmancers were treated poorly by BW. As far as I'm concerned they have the right to be upset about it.

Modifié par Annaka, 02 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[RShara]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I'd like it, particularly if it had some of t those Drell flashbacks where you can even smell the air of the day it happened But here is the thing. Everyone else gets so much more. Why ? What is it with BSN and Bioware that they don't see how unfair it is ?

It is rather strange.

I can't imagine the outcry if other LIs had the same treatment as Thane. It isn't so much about him dying, but just the overall lack of romantic content you guys had with him. One awkward grope in the hospital and no to choice to have Shepard do anything but stand there passively when he dies. 

I mean, look at Miranda's death scene (which is entirely optional) in comparison to Thane's (which is inevitable ). There is such a lack in emotion in Shepard at Thane's death that it is offputting. I'm surprised more people don't see that.

That's why I'm against Kolyat, or a funeral, or a letter/holo, whatever.  I want more romance content, not a bone thrown in my face.

[Renmiri1]

radishson wrote...

So because they "probably get threats often" it isn't suddenly a telling sign of the immaturity our fanbase finds excuseable?  You're equally in the wrong if you think "die in a fire" is a proper way to word frustration over fictional events.

Whether or not you guys realise, it makes you look even WORSE for denying theres an issue.  how hard is it to say "those people made mistakes and it was wrong, we need to tone down"?

You missed my point. Jessica Merizan is a professional PR rep in a large company. She seemed genuinely spooked on the tweets we saw.  I don't think it is because of mere slang. 

Do I agree with you that "die in a fire" was innapropriate ? Yes, I do. I posted the quote myself rigt above, didn't I ?  I never meant phisical actual RL fire and never meant any harm to Bioware but after you mentioned the world "burn" I remembered my post.  I saw how it could have been misunderstood.

 I am used to say that on World of Warcraft, in our guild because guess what, we have pools of fire in the dungeons and PCs and NPCs "die" on those fires. Heck, there is even an achievement for that!  Just like a BW emplpyee let "zombie-thane" slip because it was a jargon used on Bioware to signal bugs with surviving characters that had a "dead" import flag.

Mythlover's post was seething with rage. Appropriate ?  I read it a few days ago and thought it was perhaps a bit too strong but I never saw any threat to Bioware or anyone on it. The thought that someone would read it as a threat never even occured to me.

But again a person professianally trained to handle something like a bomb threat was thoroughly spooked. And yes, they do get to learn to deal with threats, large companies receive them often. I'm sorry but I have a hard time linking that genuine worry to myths' angry rant.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 09:23 .

[RShara]

bomb thread directed to a specific person =|= Bioware must burn in a topic with no threats in the post

One is freaky, the other is slang. Can we get back to the subject please?

[Sister Goldring]

I really liked Thane as a character in ME2 and he was one of my Shepherd’s LI, so I was looking forward to seeing what happened with him in ME3.
 
I was fine with him going down fighting in the Citadel Coup, it seemed to me to be a suitably heroic end to a great character. I was disappointed in Shepherd’s reaction to his injury, it was incongruous that anyone could see someone they are close to critically injured and respond so callously.
 
I was disappointed with the content provided for a romanced Shepherd. However rather than quibble about a lack of quantity for me it was an issue of quality. In one conversation (the sole romance specific conversation in the game) there was no way for me to show that to my Shepherd Thane was important person and his well-being a priority for her. I felt unable to play my character the way that I wanted to throughout the hospital visit and I don’t feel my expectations of being able to express concern, grief and affection were unreasonable given the circumstance.  I also particularly disliked the way Thane’s death was ignored by all other NPCs while they would discuss the impact of other experiences on Shepherd.
 
My hopes for Thane in the upcoming DLC is that there is a moment that in which my PC can express feelings appropriate to a character facing the loss of someone they care deeply for and that in this way my Shepherd and Bioware’s Shepherd become once more aligned.  I wouldn’t say no to a big mushy kiss either. 

[CroGamer002]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Is Thane worth romancing in ME2? I'm replaying the game and want to romance someone other than Garrus this time. Thane has a certain appeal to him but his ME3 fate makes me wonder.

I guess we'll see what kind of acknowledgement he gets in this DLC. Though anything is a step up from Garrus, Joker and EDI forgetting his existence post-Coup.

There's no point romancing Thane period anymore. I deleted my Thane ormance pt a year ago, it's done. You might as well stick with Garrus and remeber Thane as he was in ME2. A well written character.

Agreed. Don't do this to yourself. It isn't worth it and will not let you enjoy any aspect of ME after it because you will feel so definitely utterly trolled by Bioware that you want to see them die in a fire. And those are the good days. 

Errr.. That wasn't a threat, we use it on wow to
http://www.urbandict...m=die in a fire

3. die in a fire Term used by UO guild Evil Bastages in the 1990’s to express hatred/worthlessness to another player. Many other guilds followed throughout the years.

In this paranoid and easily offended day of age, even that is a lot.

[RShara]

Goldring--I think most of us are upset over quantity AND quality

You know what got my goat the most?
"Why did you come to the Citadel?"
"I'm here to see a friend of mine, Kaidan. He was injured."

WTFWTF?