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[Renmiri1]

Belyn wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
funny, I just said the same thing about emotional responses and the nature of them in relation to this but I doubt we will ever get a reply

I don't think we ever will. It was good to say it though. I think maybe some of it will sneak in. Maybe.

You wrote  a great eulogy for Thane. 

As for reply, or getting something in, we did. Look at the bomb threat. Everyone, BW, BSN, Thane fans, we all think it must have been a Thane fan. Why is that ?

Everyone knows Thane's LI story was butchered and Thane mancers treated as garbage. They may pretend ME3 Thane made sense but everyone knows the truth. We Thane mancers have MOTIVE to be spitting mad at Bioware.

Of course no mather how angry any fan is, threats are never justified. But it is very iluminating that there isn't a doubt on anyone's mind about what fan base would be angry at Bioware the most.

Bioware knows. BSN knows. And so do we.

[ewhalen]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Everyone knows Thane's LI story was butchered and Thane mancers treated as garbage. They may pretend ME3 Thane made sense but everyone knows the truth. We Thane mancers have MOTIVE to be spitting mad at Bioware. 

No, not everyone believes that. Don't generalize.

If you choose to reject his story arc, claim you were treated like "garbage", and claim to have "motive" for anger, then that's your problem, but don't drag the rest of us into it.

As countless others have said before: you chose to romance a character whose earliest lines included "I am dying." Keep that in mind.

[medusa_hair]

Thane was the most interesting LI in ME2 and the continuation in ME3 was terrible. The death scene was done well, I felt, but I just wanted some private conversation before that. Why was that hard for them to write? Why did the only conversation happen in the hospital lobby, and she jumps into a sick man's arms like a little schoolgirl? Please. I just want some further conversation because I felt he was very interesting, he had a past life that was different and an entire philosophy and belief system that I enjoyed exploring. It would have been nice for my crew to acknowledge his death in some way also.... And it wouldn't hurt to hear that VOICE again! :-)

[Nette]

What if this scenario were to happen in the Citadel dlc?

We know there's going to be an attempt on Shepards life...what if they almost succeed in killing her and she ends up in a coma, between life and death, for a few days...
Thane is there with her, they spend time together talking, loving....she doesn't want to go back.

Eventually he makes her go back because it isn't her time yet and his siha is the only hope the people of the galaxy has for surviving the reapers. He says he loves her and promises that when her time has come, he will be there waiting.

I would be satisfied with something like this. Then I can just headcanon that she dies in the end and the last thing she hears before dying is the sound of waves and his voice calling..."Siha".

[Renmiri1]

ewhalen wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Everyone knows Thane's LI story was butchered and Thane mancers treated as garbage. They may pretend ME3 Thane made sense but everyone knows the truth. We Thane mancers have MOTIVE to be spitting mad at Bioware. 

No, not everyone believes that. Don't generalize.

If you choose to reject his story arc, claim you were treated like "garbage", and claim to have "motive" for anger, then that's your problem, but don't drag the rest of us into it.

As countless others have said before: you chose to romance a character whose earliest lines included "I am dying." Keep that in mind.

You missed my point entirely.

What you are saying here is 

"It is your own damn fault for romancing an invalid LI choice"

You KNOW Thane is not a good LI choice "As countless others have said.. "  there is no denying it, romancing Thane is for saps.

You disagree that I should feel angry about it when it was so obviously wrong to romance Thane. Serves me right for not reading his first line to me in game. I'm a dumb MOFO, should not cry foul if I slipped on the obvious banana peel on the floor to catch suckers.

As I said, EVERYONE knows Thane as LI is a sucker's choice. Is like picking "Refuse" at the end. You can do it, but don't complain later when the universe blows up in your face.

That is a fact, undeniable and everyone knows.


The point you and I disagree is whether it is appropriate to have this kind of content in a game or appropriiate to mercilessly mock the people who "fell" for the trolling. What's next ? Rickrolls in game if you are hetero female ? 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 08:53 .

[Masha Potato]

Oh my god why won't anyone think of poor hetero females

[Renmiri1]

Masha Potato wrote...

Oh my god why won't anyone think of poor hetero females

IKR ?

It's almost like we shouldn't be playing videogames. Fake geek girls , all of us. Leave your precious games alone and go talk about home making.

[MACharlie1]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Oh my god why won't anyone think of poor hetero females

IKR ?

It's almost like we shouldn't be playing videogames. Fake geek girls , all of us. Leave your precious games alone and go talk about home making.

It's not that they think you don't exist or should be playing something else...it's just that they assume you're 95% lesbians.<_<

[Renmiri1]

Masha Potato wrote...

Oh my god why won't anyone think of poor hetero females

ewhalen wrote...

If you choose to...claim you were treated like "garbage", and claim to have "motive" for anger, then that's your problem, but don't drag the rest of us into it.

Indeed.. I'm being overly sensitive and seeing things, right ? It is my problem than I feel mocked. There is no mockery.. Nope... Not there. 

But hey, this is what "wimen" do right ? See insults everywhere when the poor dudebros are just enjoying their manly time relaxing on a video game. They just claim offense to everything! 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 mars 2013 - 09:04 .

[jtav]

Heterosexual female here. The problem is that they bit off way more than they could chew with six ME2 romances and the laudable decision to include s/s, plus the ME1 trio. The problem for me isn't so much cutting two as them both coming from FShep. But, on the other hand, the amount of romance treatment correlates with the hardcore fan activity. For FShep, it was pretty much Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, and everyone else. I don't feel marginalized by the amount of choices, but by the general blandness of the men.

[Sable Rhapsody]

MACharlie1 wrote...
It's not that they think you don't exist or should be playing something else...it's just that they assume you're 95% lesbians.<_<

Is it bad that this made me smile?  Eh.  Thanks for making me smile regardless 

BioWare's made it pretty clear where they stand on Thane and Jacob, and that's their prerogative.  It's their game.  In any piece of media, whether it be literature or film or games, creator intent is only a minor part of the picture.   I very much doubt sexism was the intent, but that's the result. ME3's LI distribution comes off imbalanced, and more specifically sexist against FemShep.  And if the developers don't like that...well, the trope is called Unfortunate Implications for a reason.

[crimzontearz]

Hereto is overrated

Besides don't you know, most Femsheps are played by guys who want to see hot girl on girl and the few girls left must love girl on girl too because...you know....all girls do (well....in my head they do)

Ok I hope my wife does not see that

[Terraforming2154]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Oh my god why won't anyone think of poor hetero females

IKR ?

It's almost like we shouldn't be playing videogames. Fake geek girls , all of us. Leave your precious games alone and go talk about home making.

It's not that they think you don't exist or should be playing something else...it's just that they assume you're 95% lesbians.<_<

Meh, I don't even think it is that at all. I think they made so many s/s options because a lot of male gamers like to play as a girl and make her a lesbian.

Not that I'm complaining about the s/s options I got, but I know they were not made for me in mind -- my interests just overlapped the group those romances were created for.

But, sorry, I'm off-topic. Still hoping for more Thane for you all. I think you guys deserve something better.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 03 mars 2013 - 05:41 .

[jtav]

Serious question: would it have been better to reduce Jack and Miranda's content correspondingly? I play MShep most often and it feels like they tried to do too much, while Kaidan and Garrus at least feel fleshed out.

[Renmiri1]

You want to know a great tragic, bittersweet death for Thane that made sense ?

The Citadel DLC has an attempt on Shepard's life. I can really see Thane risking himself to protect Shepard. Not for an Salarian ambassador, but for Shepard I think even ME2 Thane would risk it all.

So if Thane's death happened while he was trying to protect Shepard, it would not be jarring or unnecessary. If written well, i.e. no paralysis for anyone but Thane and enemy, no plot armor... Like if Shepard and Thane are alone and Kai Lame (or another cereal killer ninja wannabe) got Shepard unconscious, unarmed, unable to use biotics and Thane had to intervene. Then Shepard regains conscience and sees Thane dying, and gets her own special death scene.

I would cry like a baby but love that ending for Thane. Because it would make sense. Because it would be special for a romanced Shepard. Because it would respect what Thane and Shepard built on ME2.

[Sable Rhapsody]

jtav wrote...

Serious question: would it have been better to reduce Jack and Miranda's content correspondingly? I play MShep most often and it feels like they tried to do too much, while Kaidan and Garrus at least feel fleshed out.

Absolutely not.  I love Miranda to bits, you know that.  And I'd rather some folks who romanced ME2 LIs get something out of the Citadel DLC than none at all.

[CINCTuchanka]

I used to wonder why the character forum was closed.

I don't any longer.

[crimzontearz]

jtav wrote...

Serious question: would it have been better to reduce Jack and Miranda's content correspondingly? I play MShep most often and it feels like they tried to do too much, while Kaidan and Garrus at least feel fleshed out.

the answer is never to try and and reduce OTHER people content to match up to that give to disgruntled people

[jtav]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

jtav wrote...

Serious question: would it have been better to reduce Jack and Miranda's content correspondingly? I play MShep most often and it feels like they tried to do too much, while Kaidan and Garrus at least feel fleshed out.

Absolutely not.  I love Miranda to bits, you know that.  And I'd rather some folks who romanced ME2 LIs get something out of the Citadel DLC than none at all.

I love her too. And I wouldn't want her reduced either. I'm just wondering what the best way to deal with the obvious sexism is when they clearly over extended themselves?

[Renmiri1]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

I used to wonder why the character forum was closed.

I don't any longer.

Yes people can be pretty vicious to the dumb wimenfolk who picked the wrong LI. It's not like they didn't have ample choice right ? Thane, Jacob, Garrus, Jacob, Garrus, Thane, .. Oh wait..

Dumb wimmenfolk should have gone ****** or hold themselves for Kaidan, if they weren't dumb enough to have him die on ME1.

Best lock the place where those dumb brods can complain or we will never hear the end of it. Back to the kitchen with you fake geeks!

[Sable Rhapsody]

jtav wrote...
I love her too. And I wouldn't want her reduced either. I'm just wondering what the best way to deal with the obvious sexism is when they clearly over extended themselves?

I think you're right, and they did clearly overextend themselves in ME2.  While I love that game, they definitely bit off more than they could chew in the squaddie department in general, not to mention the LIs.  Free DLC is usually not feasible, and while it would've been more fair to cut down romance content for all the squaddies and distribute it more evenly in ME3, I'm not sure that would've been better overall.  Maybe they could've made existing characters bisexual instead of adding Steve and Sam?  But I genuinely like Steve and Sam 

Honestly, I do think paid DLC would've been the best way to rectify the imbalance and fix Jacob and Thane, but it's pretty clear that's not happening.  So...it's not getting fixed.  And that's unfortunate.

Renmiri1 wrote...
Best lock the place where those dumb brods can complain or we will never hear the end of it. Back to the kitchen with you fake geeks!

Most guys I know who also play video games don't think that way.  Now it's a matter of raising consciousness about the sexism, intended or otherwise, and feeding the trolls doesn't accomplish that.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 02 mars 2013 - 09:31 .

[spirosz]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Maybe they could've made existing characters bisexual 

No thanks. 

[radishson]

jtav wrote...
I love her too. And I wouldn't want her reduced either. I'm just wondering what the best way to deal with the obvious sexism is when they clearly over extended themselves?

There is no right answer for this.  No ones LI deserved to be reduced.  Why is it my problem just because Bioware couldnt anticipate the effort needed to finish off each romance adequately?

[jtav]

I think the thing that bothered me about Thane could have been fixed with a remembrance dialogue (with Garrus?) post-coup and the opportunity to get Paramour. Hopefully Citadel will have the opportunity for the first, at least.

[radishson]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Let's see...people fabricating affronts due to their grievous disappointment, callous dismissiveness towards queer inclusion, a generally disproportionate portent attached to the discussion pertaining a fictional character...

I think I just won the BSN bingo.

Yes, because there are no queer people here with dual experience between sexist and homophobic material in gaming who can safely conduct analysis of the material for themselves.