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[dreman9999]

BeanieBat wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

What is there to look forward to in this DLC for a Thanemancer? It's only available post-coup which means Thane won't be alive.Some vague mention about him from other characters is not the same as content with the character we care about. This is the last DLC and it seems his character will still be an afterthought, like he was in the vanilla game. This is beyond disappointing.

Kolyat shows up. Hopefully there will be some really good content there.

I think the fact that they included him is a sign that they did not just toss Thane aside or don't care. I think they are trying to do right by Thanemancers. Otherwise, why bother to include him at all.

Having Kolyat there to possibly share stories with Shep/talk about Thane/whatever he is there for would be a nice gesture to acknowledge Thane's death in the game. But it only, potentially, sorts out the problem where Thane wasn't mentioned after his death... it doesn't solve anything that happened before, which is the problem for me. If I want to play the game again, having romanced Thane, I'll still have to tell him that I'm not at the hospital to visit him, but instead I am apparently there to see Kaidan. I'll also have to listen to him tell me that his disease is suddenly completely different to what he described in ME2. So while the DLC might fix post-coup, the shocking writing will still be there pre-coup.

What did Thane say for his illness to sound differently from whathe saidin ME2?

[BeanieBat]

To put it simply - in ME2 it was a lung disease and in ME3 it was a blood disease.

[CronoDragoon]

radishson wrote...

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.  Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

That's true. I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate whether or not pre-death scenes' stupidity would nullify a Thane memorial, but I can imagine a scenario where that would happen.

[dreman9999]

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.  Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

[Exile Isan]

I'm pretty sure we are going to get a funeral with Thane, which I know for some it not enough, and I am sorry that those who wanted more time with Thane and didn't get that.  But I think it will be enough for myself. 

My main gripe was that nobody mentioned that Thane died even in an unromanced playthrough was really annoying to say the least. If you watch the trailer starting at 1:23 I'm pretty sure that's what that is. Commander Bailey is there, so is Valern, Kolyat, etc. The only reason I can think of those three people be in the same room is for some recognition of Thane.

[RShara]

dreman9999 wrote...

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and
life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.
 Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

dreman, I'll say again. I have written proof from Thane's writer in ME2 what romance Thane's attitude about dying was, which contradicts what he's like in ME3. Please stop with the repeat.

He DOES have a personality change in ME2 if romanced.  That's the point we're trying to make.  It is shown on screen.  Thus, it's character development.

His attitude in ME3 has no development behind it.  It's sudden, inexplicable, and unquestionable.  This is bad writing.

Modifié par RShara, 04 mars 2013 - 09:46 .

[Saberchic]

BeanieBat wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

What is there to look forward to in this DLC for a Thanemancer? It's only available post-coup which means Thane won't be alive.Some vague mention about him from other characters is not the same as content with the character we care about. This is the last DLC and it seems his character will still be an afterthought, like he was in the vanilla game. This is beyond disappointing.

Kolyat shows up. Hopefully there will be some really good content there.

I think the fact that they included him is a sign that they did not just toss Thane aside or don't care. I think they are trying to do right by Thanemancers. Otherwise, why bother to include him at all.

Having Kolyat there to possibly share stories with Shep/talk about Thane/whatever he is there for would be a nice gesture to acknowledge Thane's death in the game. But it only, potentially, sorts out the problem where Thane wasn't mentioned after his death... it doesn't solve anything that happened before, which is the problem for me. If I want to play the game again, having romanced Thane, I'll still have to tell him that I'm not at the hospital to visit him, but instead I am apparently there to see Kaidan. I'll also have to listen to him tell me that his disease is suddenly completely different to what he described in ME2. So while the DLC might fix post-coup, the shocking writing will still be there pre-coup.

To be honest, I am hoping that when you download the dlc, there is a file that fixes the meeting with Thane. I think it's kind of lame that you could really only have 1 conversation with him even though you can talk to the VS multiple times at the hospital.

I highly doubt that this dlc will have this, but at least it looks like they are including some Thane content in there. I'm anxious to see what comes in the dlc. Thankfully we won't have to wait long. If they do the Thane storyline justice, I might actually import my femShep who romanced him.

edit: spelling fail.

Modifié par Saberchic, 04 mars 2013 - 09:48 .

[dreman9999]

BeanieBat wrote...

To put it simply - in ME2 it was a lung disease and in ME3 it was a blood disease.

That was not the case.
The issue of his death was blood loss,.The body uses blood to carry oxygen to the rest of his body. His lung already are having a hard enough time oxydixing his blood. If there is suddenly less blood to bring oxygen to the body with his lungs already having a hard time oxydixing the blood, how can his body get enough oxygen?

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and
life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.
 Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

dreman, I'll say again. I have written proof from Thane's writer in ME2 what romance Thane's attitude about dying was, which contradicts what he's like in ME3. Please stop with the repeat.

He DOES have a personality change in ME2 if romanced.  That's the point we're trying to make.  It is shown on screen.  Thus, it's character development.

His attitude in ME3 has no development behind it.  It's sudden, inexplicable, and unquestionable.  This is bad writing.

Please link it.
Also, look up the steps of depression. It's clear Thane is going through it.
Also, a character personality change does not need to have a define development. We see this many times in stories. Added,we do get an explination to Thane's change of perspective any way.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 mars 2013 - 09:48 .

[mnomaha]

dreman9999 wrote...

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.  Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

Seriously? You seriously said that? Have you ever romanced Thane? If you have not then that would be why you don't, and never will, undestand what we are saying.

[RShara]

In ME2, his lungs were infected and filling with fluid, causing problems with breathing. The bacteria would eventually infect other organs, causing them to shut down.

In ME3, his cells can't carry oxygen properly.

That's the difference.

ME2 disease, organ transplants would extend his life. ME3 disease, he's screwed.

[Emphyr]

@dreman you keep on  posting the same lines over and over.

I have the impression you are trying to provoke a lock on this tread.
I have reported you also.

(go to Thane s story arc in the closed forums and read back what you have posted in there).. You again keep on posting the same oneliners in this tread also just trying to upset people.

Take Care

edit for typo"s

Modifié par Emphyr, 04 mars 2013 - 09:55 .

[radishson]

AVPen wrote...
I'm genuinely curious about this, too - I never romanced Thane, but my John Shepard considered him a good friend and valuable crewmember, so I'd be a little disappointed if this funeral/memorial scene (if that's what that scene with Kolyat in the trailer was about) is restricted only to the FemSheps who romanced him or if MaleShep can't talk to Kolyat about Thane.

On the other hand, it would be pretty unfortunate if the only Romance-exclusive content was a few changed lines at a funeral.  Even if Thane is not involved directly, I hope the content with Kolyat is equal to the content other LIs have.  Everything about Thane in ME3 was already catered to the friends-only crowd.

[BeanieBat]

Saberchic wrote...

BeanieBat wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

What is there to look forward to in this DLC for a Thanemancer? It's only available post-coup which means Thane won't be alive.Some vague mention about him from other characters is not the same as content with the character we care about. This is the last DLC and it seems his character will still be an afterthought, like he was in the vanilla game. This is beyond disappointing.

Kolyat shows up. Hopefully there will be some really good content there.

I think the fact that they included him is a sign that they did not just toss Thane aside or don't care. I think they are trying to do right by Thanemancers. Otherwise, why bother to include him at all.

Having Kolyat there to possibly share stories with Shep/talk about Thane/whatever he is there for would be a nice gesture to acknowledge Thane's death in the game. But it only, potentially, sorts out the problem where Thane wasn't mentioned after his death... it doesn't solve anything that happened before, which is the problem for me. If I want to play the game again, having romanced Thane, I'll still have to tell him that I'm not at the hospital to visit him, but instead I am apparently there to see Kaidan. I'll also have to listen to him tell me that his disease is suddenly completely different to what he described in ME2. So while the DLC might fix post-coup, the shocking writing will still be there pre-coup.

To be honest, I am hoping that when you download the dlc, there is a file that fixes the meeting with Thane. I think it's kind of lame that you could really only have 1 conversation with him even though you can talk to the VS multiple times at the hospital.

I highly doubt that this dlc will have this, but at least it looks like they are including some Thane content in there. I'm anxious to see what comes in the dlc. Thankfully we won't have to wait long. If they do the Thane storyline justice, I might actually import my femSheo who romanced him.

Yeah, that would be great but I doubt it too. I hope that the DLC has something decent in it for Thane, but I'll not be playing it unless I'm told that that is the case!

[dreman9999]

d4eaming wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Belyn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Belyn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No I'm not. I'm just saying what more can they do with someone who died.

I have asked you to stop with this line of discussion twice. I have been kind. You have not stopped as I have asked. I am reporting you. 

Reported for what?
All I asked was What else more can they do for a character that died?

As I explained to the moderator, your point was answered. Repeatedly. You refuse to let it go. You are not aiding in the discussion or allowing it to progress. 

Reported for what?
All I asked was What else more can they do for a character that died?

So basically, you are deliberately antagonizing people and deliberately missing the point so you can continue to do so.

I'm not antagonizing anyone. I'm just asking what else can they doif the dlc is only post coup.

[RShara]

dreman9999 wrote...

RShara wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and
life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.
 Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

dreman, I'll say again. I have written proof from Thane's writer in ME2 what romance Thane's attitude about dying was, which contradicts what he's like in ME3. Please stop with the repeat.

He DOES have a personality change in ME2 if romanced.  That's the point we're trying to make.  It is shown on screen.  Thus, it's character development.

His attitude in ME3 has no development behind it.  It's sudden, inexplicable, and unquestionable.  This is bad writing.

Please link it.
Also, look up the steps of depression. It's clear Thane is going through it.
Also, a character personality change does not need to have a define development. We see this many times in stories. Added,we do get an explination to Thane's change of perspective any way.

Here's the link, for the umpteenth time that I've linked it for you
FROM CHRIS L'ETOILE, THANE'S ME 2 WRITER:

Also, if Thane is going through depression, SHOW IT.  It's character development if on screen.  Not off.  Offscreen, it's just inexplicable character reversal.

Modifié par RShara, 04 mars 2013 - 09:59 .

[Seifer006]

Greatness Written all over it. Finally Liara is put to right usage

[dreman9999]

Emphyr wrote...

@dreman you keep on goig posting the same lines over and over.

I have the impression you are trying to provoke a lock on this tread.
I have reported you also.

(go to Thane s story arc in the closed forums and read back what you have posted in there).. You keep on posting the same oneliners just trying to upset ppl.

Take Care

Reported for what?

If the character is dead at the time of the dlc, what more can they do out side of a funeral?
It's not a hard question to awnser.

[BeanieBat]

dreman9999 wrote...

BeanieBat wrote...

To put it simply - in ME2 it was a lung disease and in ME3 it was a blood disease.

That was not the case.
The issue of his death was blood loss,.The body uses blood to carry oxygen to the rest of his body. His lung already are having a hard enough time oxydixing his blood. If there is suddenly less blood to bring oxygen to the body with his lungs already having a hard time oxydixing the blood, how can his body get enough oxygen?

Once again, I am not talking about his death. I am talking about before his death and his descriptions of Kepral's Syndrome itself. In ME2 he describes it as a bacterial lung disease, in ME3 it is dysfunctional proteins (haemoglobin) in the blood.

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RShara wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

radishson wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I can only say that if Tali was a character that always died, I would very much enjoy a scene where Rahn pulled Shepard aside and told him how much Tali loved him, trusted him, how he'd changed her personality and
life, etc etc etc.

While I ultimately agree, I think the problem is that Thanemancers dislike the ENTIRE thane romance in ME3.
 Its not so much about the death as it is about the terrible personality change, the fight scene, the lack of content, the totally apathetic death scene, etc.  "You really changed my fathers life" doesn't mean much when the material in ME3 specifically shows Thane went back to his old self.  The way the romance ended just didn't give a lot of room for meaningful development with Kolyat because they retconned all the development to begin with.

But willl just have to wait and see.

You can say all you want with his romance but you can't realy say he has a personality change.That's like saying his has a personality change from the first tiem you meet him in ME2 and the last scene of his romance.

dreman, I'll say again. I have written proof from Thane's writer in ME2 what romance Thane's attitude about dying was, which contradicts what he's like in ME3. Please stop with the repeat.

He DOES have a personality change in ME2 if romanced.  That's the point we're trying to make.  It is shown on screen.  Thus, it's character development.

His attitude in ME3 has no development behind it.  It's sudden, inexplicable, and unquestionable.  This is bad writing.

Please link it.
Also, look up the steps of depression. It's clear Thane is going through it.
Also, a character personality change does not need to have a define development. We see this many times in stories. Added,we do get an explination to Thane's change of perspective any way.

Here's the link, for the umpteenth time that I've linked it for you
FROM CHRIS L'ETOILE, THANE'S ME 2 WRITER:

Also, if Thane is going through depression, SHOW IT.  It's character development if on screen.  Not off.  Offscreen, it's just inexplicable character reversal.

That does not prove your point.

That is just one line stating they were planning the character to go one way before a publication but they changed it to go another way.

Anything pre-publiaction that does not make it to the game is not counted to the story.
That like trying to say Grunt hates Mordin because of the dialogue a line they did not usefor the story.

And Thane did go througha depression, he was spending most of his time in his memeories. In fact the time we meet him he was about to let hims self be killed.

If aperson suddenly hears they were terminally ill, and that person later walked on perpose into traffic tring to get himself killed, you would not say that person was not depressed?

[RShara]

What? Did you see the date? This is after ME2's release.

[LoonySpectre]

Shadow Broker files on Thane show that he had lesions in his lungs and metastases in stomach, liver and heart. This has nothing to do with drell equivalent of hemoglobin.

[RShara]

I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.

[dreman9999]

BeanieBat wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BeanieBat wrote...

To put it simply - in ME2 it was a lung disease and in ME3 it was a blood disease.

That was not the case.
The issue of his death was blood loss,.The body uses blood to carry oxygen to the rest of his body. His lung already are having a hard enough time oxydixing his blood. If there is suddenly less blood to bring oxygen to the body with his lungs already having a hard time oxydixing the blood, how can his body get enough oxygen?

Once again, I am not talking about his death. I am talking about before his death and his descriptions of Kepral's Syndrome itself. In ME2 he describes it as a bacterial lung disease, in ME3 it is dysfunctional proteins (haemoglobin) in the blood.

I think you need read up on it some more....
http://www.mayoclini...DSECTION=causes


Causes

Specific disorders or other factors that may cause high hemoglobin count include:COPDDehydration
Emphysema
Emphysema occurs when the air sacs in your lungs are gradually destroyed, making you progressively more short of breath. Emphysema is one of several diseases known collectively as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Smoking is the leading cause of emphysema[/list]Heart failure
Kidney cancer
Liver cancerL
iving at a high altitude, where there's less oxygen in the airOther types of heart diseaseOther types of lung diseasePolycythemia veraSmoking, which may result in low blood oxygen levels[/list]There is no mistake made that his diease causes hemoglobin with Emphysema can causeit to happen.[/b]

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 mars 2013 - 10:10 .

[d4eaming]

@dreman, get some reading comprehension and critical thinking lessons at your local community collage, then come back and re-read everything so you can gain a full understanding of what is being said to you, because at this point, your only purpose here is to troll and antagonize/inflame, or you seriously do not understand the simple English presented to you here.