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[dreman9999]

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But he never requested for a lung transplant after the romance, so that's also irrelivent.

Okay, but let's look at this situation. Someone is dying but has an operation available to save them. They don't want the operation because they want to die. Suddenly, they fall in love with someone and no longer want to die. It's reasonable and logical to expect them to agree to the operation.

Nope. That is not 100% certin. The characters development can do ether or. He never says he want to do the surgury.

I think we've gone about as far as we're going to get with this discussion.

Did Thane promis to do what he can to live?

[Fawx9]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
They made no promises.. Add, a surgury is risky. People with critical lung issues have a very low servival rate.

It's a story. He only would have died from surgery if the writers wanted him to. Moreover, that's not why he refused the lung transplant so it's irrelevant.

But he never requested for a lung transplant after the romance, so that's also irrelivent.

He also said he was at peace with dieing when he said he wasn't in ME2.

The writers just forgot things. They said as much and it showed.

And he can't develop that peace again? Remeber, before he said he was at peace he was about to let himself be killed off.
Ifa person learns they have a terminal illness and the sudden on purpose trying to walk into traffic to try and get crused by a car.
Would that not be called a suicide attempt?

So your idea of character progression is that in one part of the story have the character grow and attain a new view on life (Thane now wanting to live in ME2) and then the next time we see them have them completely revert and never explain why or what caused that change(Thane in ME3)?

[radishson]

dreman9999, STOP. Guys, PLEASE don't reply to them anymore. That's enough

radishson wrote...

So, what would be everyone's best-case
scenario right now? We know Kolyat is present. A funeral may or may
not be involved. Other than that, it's up in the air.

What sort of content do you think all players should see, and what should be LI-exclusive?

^ I'm still interested in hearing some opinions!

Modifié par radishson, 05 mars 2013 - 12:33 .

[dreman9999]

Fawx9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
They made no promises.. Add, a surgury is risky. People with critical lung issues have a very low servival rate.

It's a story. He only would have died from surgery if the writers wanted him to. Moreover, that's not why he refused the lung transplant so it's irrelevant.

But he never requested for a lung transplant after the romance, so that's also irrelivent.

He also said he was at peace with dieing when he said he wasn't in ME2.

The writers just forgot things. They said as much and it showed.

And he can't develop that peace again? Remeber, before he said he was at peace he was about to let himself be killed off.
Ifa person learns they have a terminal illness and the sudden on purpose trying to walk into traffic to try and get crused by a car.
Would that not be called a suicide attempt?

So your idea of character progression is that in one part of the story have the character grow and attain a new view on life (Thane now wanting to live in ME2) and then the next time we see them have them completely revert and never explain why or what caused that change(Thane in ME3)?

How did Thane not explian his new perspective?

[CronoDragoon]

radishson wrote...

What sort of content do you think all players should see, and what should be LI-exclusive?

The funeral should be for everyone. My John Shepard deserves to see his funeral, too.

Even better than a letter is a Thane VI. I think he could afford it. And that should be the LI scene, I think.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 mars 2013 - 12:36 .

[Thrazesul]

Aye, I agree. Everyone should be able to take part of the funeral/memorial scene if there is one...

Thane deserves that much at least...

[Fawx9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

radishson wrote...

What sort of content do you think all players should see, and what should be LI-exclusive?

The funeral should be for everyone. My John Shepard deserves to see his funeral, too.

Even better than a letter is a Thane VI. I think he could afford it. And that should be the LI scene, I think.

A grey box might also be a good way to go about it, something just bugs me about a VI.

[Starscream723]

JECW wrote...
If you have nothing to say that is worth reading then get out.

So you respond to a considered and well thought-out legitimate point of view with a response that amounts to "I don't want to hear it, go away", but in a much ruder form. How very mature and reasonable of you.

I've just read the Shadow Broker's dossier on Thane. It does mention in passing (amongst all the stuff that says HE'S GOING TO DIE) that he has rejected a lung transplant.

Call me cynical, but upon reading a page of notes
a) explaining how he's definitely going to die,
that specifically states he ISN'T getting a lung transplant, and also
c) containing what effectively amounts to a goodbye letter
I don't see much here that suggests there's going to be a "lived happily ever after" ending in this case.

I maintain that the Thane romance is a tragedy, and always has been. Arguably some of the greatest romances in literary history are tragedies. I can fully appreciate wanting more content - such as a memorial service, or something to wrap up Shepard's feelings after Thane's death. I agree with those of you who want that.

I disagree with those who are essentially asking for the equivalent of rewriting the end of Romeo & Juliet so that, despite the start of the play telling you they're doomed to die, suddenly they don't. It'd be rubbish. That people want him to survive so badly is testament to the great character design, but in my opinion if Thane lived it'd remove all the drama from his story and reduce it from a great tragic story to the pathetic levels of shallowness that romancing Jacob has.

[Missy_MI]

So we are speculating there will be a funeral scene for all with a bit of Kolyat discussion for those who romanced Thane?

I never really knew how Shepard was supposed act toward Kolyat. His own mother was murdered, and Thane basically abandoned him to pursue vengeance for her death. Then suddenly his dad is back in his life, but with a soon-to-be girlfriend.

I sort of hope they don't talk about Kolyat looking to Shepard as a family member, cause I chose Synthesis as my ending choice. That's a pretty short amount of time to bond before he loses her too. Guess we'll see how the new content plays out soon enough.

[radishson]

Yeah, if there is indeed a funeral I'm sure every player will see it. Never thought about a VI or greybox before... that would be really interesting.

I just really hope the funeral isn't the only Thane content for those who romanced him.

[radishson]

Missy_MI wrote...

So we are speculating there will be a funeral scene for all with a bit of Kolyat discussion for those who romanced Thane?

I never really knew how Shepard was supposed act toward Kolyat. His own mother was murdered, and Thane basically abandoned him to pursue vengeance for her death. Then suddenly his dad is back in his life, but with a soon-to-be girlfriend.

I sort of hope they don't talk about Kolyat looking to Shepard as a family member, cause I chose Synthesis as my ending choice. That's a pretty short amount of time to bond before he loses her too. Guess we'll see how the new content plays out soon enough.

Actually there are a lot of potentially weird scenarios that might come up.  What if your Shepard pursued another romance after Thane?  technically thane isn't an LI in ME3 because he doesn't grant the achievement.  I always assumed that was to allow the player to go for someone else instead of having to play the rest of the game alone.

But if you romanced Thane and someone else after, how will the DLC play that out?

Modifié par radishson, 05 mars 2013 - 12:44 .

[crimzontearz]

MinttyMint wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Honestly, I repeat, WTF kind of feedback were they listening to and what the hell was their modus pensandi behind offering THIS to the thane fanbase which they already admitted they let down?

No really...ANYONE?

They were listening to all kinds of feedback. Listening does not mean implementing in game.

Also really? People were complaining that Thane will get nothing in the DLC, the trailer shows you clearly will get something and now you're saying that nothing would have been better?.. I dont understand people.
Sure, you could say what is in the DLC should have been in game, I agree with that but its better late than never.

other people answered to this

and honestly? Nothing would have felt less insulting

[Sable Rhapsody]

radishson wrote...
Actually there are a lot of potentially weird scenarios that might come up.  What if your Shepard pursued another romance after Thane?  technically thane isn't an LI in ME3 because he doesn't grant the achievement.  I always assumed that was to allow the player to go for someone else instead of having to play the rest of the game alone.

But if you romanced Thane and someone else after, how will the DLC play that out?

Most likely it'll play both: whatever content you get for having romanced Thane, and the new LI's content if you've locked in the romance.  Thane doesn't grant the Paramour achievement as you pointed out, but ME3's save files do flag it if you romanced him in ME2.

[Starscream723]

radishson wrote...

Actually there are a lot of potentially weird scenarios that might come up.  What if your Shepard pursued another romance after Thane?  technically thane isn't an LI in ME3 because he doesn't grant the achievement.  I always assumed that was to allow the player to go for someone else instead of having to play the rest of the game alone.

But if you romanced Thane and someone else after, how will the DLC play that out?

I would suspect that it just treats it like you only romanced the second person. After all, once you "lock in" any romance in ME3, the game pretty much treats everybody else like always, even your exes.

Partly I think I would like all my Sheps to be able to go to a Thane memorial, because the DLC is not just about LIs but reconnecting with old squadmates, and I count Thane among those. Maybe the dialogue can change depending on your relationship with Thane. Or maybe some Sheps get an additional scene after the memorial where you talk things through with Kolyat - since you're basically his stepmother now

Then again, perhaps the prayer was enough of a goodbye for non-LI sheps after all, and the memorial is something a little more personal just for LIs and should remain exclusive.

I dunno, I think I'll be happy whether or not that scene (assuming it IS a memorial scene) is exclusive to Shepards who romanced Thane. So long as it's a good scene.

[alsonamedbort]

crimzontearz wrote...

MinttyMint wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Honestly, I repeat, WTF kind of feedback were they listening to and what the hell was their modus pensandi behind offering THIS to the thane fanbase which they already admitted they let down?

No really...ANYONE?

They were listening to all kinds of feedback. Listening does not mean implementing in game.

Also really? People were complaining that Thane will get nothing in the DLC, the trailer shows you clearly will get something and now you're saying that nothing would have been better?.. I dont understand people.
Sure, you could say what is in the DLC should have been in game, I agree with that but its better late than never.

other people answered to this

and honestly? Nothing would have felt less insulting

I don't get this point of view at all.  It's very "all-or-nothing" thinking.  I feel like ignoring it completely would have been a much bigger "insult."

[CronoDragoon]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I don't get this point of view at all.  It's very "all-or-nothing" thinking.  I feel like ignoring it completely would have been a much bigger "insult."

Definitely would have been, and we'd have threads asking "for a funeral or memorial scene at LEAST."

[mnomaha]

radishson wrote...

Yeah, if there is indeed a funeral I'm sure every player will see it. Never thought about a VI or greybox before... that would be really interesting.

I just really hope the funeral isn't the only Thane content for those who romanced him.

But aren't the grayboxes technically illegal. Now that my Shep is all about the Alliance again (don't rememeber making *that* choice any more than turning myself in) would he/she be able to "get away" with that kind of tech?

I'm going with a holo or one of Kolyat's memories, like a message from Thane...poor kid.

[Cainhurst Crow]

mnomaha wrote...

radishson wrote...

Yeah, if there is indeed a funeral I'm sure every player will see it. Never thought about a VI or greybox before... that would be really interesting.

I just really hope the funeral isn't the only Thane content for those who romanced him.

But aren't the grayboxes technically illegal. Now that my Shep is all about the Alliance again (don't rememeber making *that* choice any more than turning myself in) would he/she be able to "get away" with that kind of tech?

I'm going with a holo or one of Kolyat's memories, like a message from Thane...poor kid.

When has something being illegal ever stopped shepard? The terminus assault armor is illegal in citadel space, but I can wear it on the citadel during the coop.

If there is a greybox, I hope you guys get one.

[darkiddd]

mnomaha wrote...

radishson wrote...

Yeah, if there is indeed a funeral I'm sure every player will see it. Never thought about a VI or greybox before... that would be really interesting.

I just really hope the funeral isn't the only Thane content for those who romanced him.

But aren't the grayboxes technically illegal. Now that my Shep is all about the Alliance again (don't rememeber making *that* choice any more than turning myself in) would he/she be able to "get away" with that kind of tech?

I'm going with a holo or one of Kolyat's memories, like a message from Thane...poor kid.

Shepard breaks the rules everyday to save the galaxy no matter renegade or paragon. Using a greybox is totally feasible.

[JECW]

Starscream723 wrote...

JECW wrote...
If you have nothing to say that is worth reading then get out.

So you respond to a considered and well thought-out legitimate point of view with a response that amounts to "I don't want to hear it, go away", but in a much ruder form. How very mature and reasonable of you.

I've just read the Shadow Broker's dossier on Thane. It does mention in passing (amongst all the stuff that says HE'S GOING TO DIE) that he has rejected a lung transplant.

Call me cynical, but upon reading a page of notes
a) explaining how he's definitely going to die,
that specifically states he ISN'T getting a lung transplant, and also
c) containing what effectively amounts to a goodbye letter
I don't see much here that suggests there's going to be a "lived happily ever after" ending in this case.

I maintain that the Thane romance is a tragedy, and always has been. Arguably some of the greatest romances in literary history are tragedies. I can fully appreciate wanting more content - such as a memorial service, or something to wrap up Shepard's feelings after Thane's death. I agree with those of you who want that.

I disagree with those who are essentially asking for the equivalent of rewriting the end of Romeo & Juliet so that, despite the start of the play telling you they're doomed to die, suddenly they don't. It'd be rubbish. That people want him to survive so badly is testament to the great character design, but in my opinion if Thane lived it'd remove all the drama from his story and reduce it from a great tragic story to the pathetic levels of shallowness that romancing Jacob has.

You weren't saying anything we didn't already know.  We have heard it all before.
That isn't what this thread was about anyway. It was about what we might get with Thane in this dlc.

[RShara]

IDEALLY this would fix the conversation problem with Thane (I AM NOT HERE TO SEE KAIDAN DANG IT)
Then maybe they explore the blood transfusion/lung transplant option that the Dr dangled in front of us then took away. That conversation happens post-coup after all?
And then Thane doesn't die like an afterthought.

[Missy_MI]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
If there is a greybox, I hope you guys get one.

The greybox is a really cool idea, but I'm not getting my hopes up. (No really, I'm serious this time, *not* getting my hopes up).

Finally watched the trailer and holy crap Garrus can dance?? Yeah... going through this DLC with Thane as LI seems like it'll be a little painful. I'm officially starting a new playthrough with Garrus as LI after this.

Totally feels like when I played Final Fantasy VII a second time and tried to ignore Aeris as much as possible even though she was my favorite character. Darn tragic video game plotlines.

[CronoDragoon]

Missy_MI wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
If there is a greybox, I hope you guys get one.

The greybox is a really cool idea, but I'm not getting my hopes up. (No really, I'm serious this time, *not* getting my hopes up).

Finally watched the trailer and holy crap Garrus can dance?? Yeah... going through this DLC with Thane as LI seems like it'll be a little painful. I'm officially starting a new playthrough with Garrus as LI after this.

Totally feels like when I played Final Fantasy VII a second time and tried to ignore Aeris as much as possible even though she was my favorite character. Darn tragic video game plotlines.

You'll always had Advent Children that established Cloud was obsessed enough with a pseudo-dead girl to ignore the double D knockers pining for him next door for years after.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 mars 2013 - 01:36 .

[New Display Name]

I bet with enough know-how, one could mod Thane into the dance instead of Garrus.

[Faded-Myth]

Starscream723 wrote...

JECW wrote...
If you have nothing to say that is worth reading then get out.

So you respond to a considered and well thought-out legitimate point of view with a response that amounts to "I don't want to hear it, go away", but in a much ruder form. How very mature and reasonable of you.

I've just read the Shadow Broker's dossier on Thane. It does mention in passing (amongst all the stuff that says HE'S GOING TO DIE) that he has rejected a lung transplant.

Call me cynical, but upon reading a page of notes
a) explaining how he's definitely going to die,
that specifically states he ISN'T getting a lung transplant, and also
c) containing what effectively amounts to a goodbye letter
I don't see much here that suggests there's going to be a "lived happily ever after" ending in this case.

I maintain that the Thane romance is a tragedy, and always has been. Arguably some of the greatest romances in literary history are tragedies. I can fully appreciate wanting more content - such as a memorial service, or something to wrap up Shepard's feelings after Thane's death. I agree with those of you who want that.

I disagree with those who are essentially asking for the equivalent of rewriting the end of Romeo & Juliet so that, despite the start of the play telling you they're doomed to die, suddenly they don't. It'd be rubbish. That people want him to survive so badly is testament to the great character design, but in my opinion if Thane lived it'd remove all the drama from his story and reduce it from a great tragic story to the pathetic levels of shallowness that romancing Jacob has.

If Mass Effect 3 were a passive medium, such as a book or film, I might be inclined to agree. I feel it's a little different with a video game though, especially one that is largely built on role-playing a character. Investing yourself into a virtual life, as it were, and actively making decisions and seeing the results of them (such as pursuing a romance) creates a high level of emotional attachment. You could argue that a well-written game, especially ones with high levels of role-play (or at least decision-making) involved invoke more attatchment than watching a theatrical play or film.

I'm saying this as a male who likes Thane, but would never romance him. I'm also aware that you go into his relationship knowing the danger of his illness. In any other circumstance I would agree that you've taken the risk, and you should know you'll have to deal with the inevitible outcome. But with the nature of Mass Effect 3's post-release problems and the fact that some at BioWare have admitted to fudging the ball with Thane, I do feel that something more could have been done with his character, so I can sympathize with them on that level. I personally feel BioWare simply got cheap with him, though that really goes for the majority of ME2's cast in ME3.