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[Maera Imrov]

@CronoDragoon: As a Cloud/Tifa shipper, that made me laugh. Square said they made Cloud more depressive in AC because the fanbase had somehow built him up that way in their heads and they were afraid they would not recognize him otherwise. But by the end of FF7 proper, Cloud was not the mope-a-tron he was in AC. It was jarring, for me.

In any case: I hope that all Shepards get to see the memorial/funeral/whatever this may be with the Councilwoman and whatnot. We who romanced Thane aren't the only ones who wanted closure on his death. Every male friend or relative I have who liked Thane have also expressed a desire to see closure on all that. As to what the romancers should have, I don't really have a suggestion. But I do think the funeral (if that's what it is) should be for all.

[Thrazesul]

HJF4 wrote...

I bet with enough know-how, one could mod Thane into the dance instead of Garrus.

I'd love to see a mod like that...

[radishson]

Starscream723 wrote...

I would suspect that it just treats it like you only romanced the second person. After all, once you "lock in" any romance in ME3, the game pretty much treats everybody else like always, even your exes.

Partly I think I would like all my Sheps to be able to go to a Thane memorial, because the DLC is not just about LIs but reconnecting with old squadmates, and I count Thane among those. Maybe the dialogue can change depending on your relationship with Thane. Or maybe some Sheps get an additional scene after the memorial where you talk things through with Kolyat - since you're basically his stepmother now

Then again, perhaps the prayer was enough of a goodbye for non-LI sheps after all, and the memorial is something a little more personal just for LIs and should remain exclusive.

I dunno, I think I'll be happy whether or not that scene (assuming it IS a memorial scene) is exclusive to Shepards who romanced Thane. So long as it's a good scene.

Thats what I'm assuming too - or at least, I HOPE.  If there turns out to be a sentimental chat with Kolyat only for Shepard to be able to hop back to their other LI, that would be... a pretty low blow lmao.

Agreed with the last statement.  I still think it would be really unfair for Thane romance content to get shafted in favour of friendship stuff (which is essentially the entire problem with his character in ME3) but I think we can all agree a memorial is long overdue and would greatly soften the blow of his death regardless.

[CronoDragoon]

Maera Imrov wrote...

@CronoDragoon: As a Cloud/Tifa shipper, that made me laugh. Square said they made Cloud more depressive in AC because the fanbase had somehow built him up that way in their heads and they were afraid they would not recognize him otherwise. But by the end of FF7 proper, Cloud was not the mope-a-tron he was in AC. It was jarring, for me.

Jeremy Parish has a nice section about that in this article: www.1up.com/features/five-things-final-fantasy-vii-remake

What thread is this again? RIGHT. THANE.

I'm not sure how exactly gray boxes work, but the more I think about it the more I think we won't get any Thane voice-over work.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 mars 2013 - 01:54 .

[Missy_MI]

CronoDragoon wrote...
You'll always had Advent Children that established Cloud was obsessed enough with a pseudo-dead girl to ignore the double D knockers pining for him next door for years after.

Eh, she appeared with her similarly incorporeal boyfriend Zach, so I figured that meant Cloud thought of her as more of a friend and Tifa was still his girl. He's just brooding in Advent Children because he's always brooding.

On topic: I suppose failing a graybox or some kind of drell flashback, Shepard could have a good old fashioned regular human flashback or a dream. I think it's more likely we'll just get a special Kolyat conversation though.

Hopefully our hypothesized funeral scene makes it in. As much as it will bum me out to go through it, crew acknowledgement of Thane's death was something I personally whined about on the boards after finishing the game. So getting that would be much appreciated.

[radishson]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I'm not sure how exactly gray boxes work, but the more I think about it the more I think we won't get any Thane voice-over work.

Some people on tumblr were talking about how "all of the voice actors were confirmed to have worked on it" or something...?  Is that just a rumour?  Keythe Farley did sort of hint at it on his facebook, either way.

[mnomaha]

Thrazesul wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

I bet with enough know-how, one could mod Thane into the dance instead of Garrus.

I'd love to see a mod like that...

That might have *almost* been good enough...

[CronoDragoon]

radishson wrote...

Some people on tumblr were talking about how "all of the voice actors were confirmed to have worked on it" or something...?  Is that just a rumour?  Keythe Farley did sort of hint at it on his facebook, either way.

Is that Thane's VA? If so, what'd he say? If there's new Thane dialogue then that's legitimately surprising to me; I was really only expecting a funeral with some extra Kolyat dialogue for LI.

[New Display Name]

Someone could write up some stuff so that Thane is consistently sending you emails throughout the game. I know how to set them up so that they are sent after specific events happen or conditions are met. I can also think of (somewhat crude, but still functional) ways that Shepard could "respond" to them and Thane could respond to Shepard's response...

[CronoDragoon]

HJF4 wrote...

Someone could write up some stuff so that Thane is consistently sending you emails throughout the game. I know how to set them up so that they are sent after specific events happen or conditions are met. I can also think of (somewhat crude, but still functional) ways that Shepard could "respond" to them and Thane could respond to Shepard's response...

Ugh. Why is it such a pain to play ME3 on PC without Origin.

I'll pay you $5 to crack my PS3 so I can mod it with ME3 fan content. 

[kalasaurus]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

radishson wrote...
Actually there are a lot of potentially weird scenarios that might come up.  What if your Shepard pursued another romance after Thane?  technically thane isn't an LI in ME3 because he doesn't grant the achievement.  I always assumed that was to allow the player to go for someone else instead of having to play the rest of the game alone.

But if you romanced Thane and someone else after, how will the DLC play that out?

Most likely it'll play both: whatever content you get for having romanced Thane, and the new LI's content if you've locked in the romance.  Thane doesn't grant the Paramour achievement as you pointed out, but ME3's save files do flag it if you romanced him in ME2.

Yeah, I'm curious on how that would play out.  The Thane romance content may be as little as someone saying, "I know he was special to you" (which should have been there in the first place!)

I decided to try the Thane romance and it was very beautiful in ME2.  I don't know if I'd want her to be alone though.

[radishson]

CronoDragoon wrote...

radishson wrote...

Some people on tumblr were talking about how "all of the voice actors were confirmed to have worked on it" or something...?  Is that just a rumour?  Keythe Farley did sort of hint at it on his facebook, either way.

Is that Thane's VA? If so, what'd he say? If there's new Thane dialogue then that's legitimately surprising to me; I was really only expecting a funeral with some extra Kolyat dialogue for LI.

Yes.  http://www.facebook....os/297223869474
He's basically just posted a few articles about it with dev quotes emphasizing the romantic content/fan feedback.  I could be wrong, but I have a good feeling there will be SOME sort of voicework.

edit: Hey... crazy guesswork here, but what if they got Keythe to go back and fix some of the lines in the base game?  That would be pretty great of them.

Modifié par radishson, 05 mars 2013 - 02:19 .

[Lucy Glitter]

 Remember the damage control at release? They said a lot of things they shouldn't have, as it drew false promises to the fans and that is the worst thing you can do.

Example:



Why would you say that just to lead your own fans who paid for your game to false hope? That is the worst kind of thing I can imagine from a dev team. Any part of it. It really upsets me that it has come to this. Which is why I barely post on here anymore. I lost faith in a team I really loved and grew up with. Dragon Age 3 is my last straw and I hope for BioWare's sake that it is a good one as it is a promising and interesting world and franchise.

That is all. No gifs from me as I don't have the energy anymore. 

[CronoDragoon]

radishson wrote...
edit: Hey... crazy guesswork here, but what if they got Keythe to go back and fix some of the lines in the base game?  That would be pretty great of them.

Hmm, or perhaps change the lines for a more specific LI playthrough. For example, Thane saying he's at peace with himself is totally appropriate for non-LI playthroughs. You'd just have to use a different line when LI is flagged.

Ditto for changing/adding a few lines in death scene.

I don't know how practical that would be, though. They'd have to include the entire dialogue convo I think, even all the lines not being changed, to overwrite the old one?

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 mars 2013 - 02:23 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

"I want the crew to know he died. I want FemShep to miss him."

Sounds like we're getting that in this dlc.

[radishson]

CronoDragoon wrote...

radishson wrote...
edit: Hey... crazy guesswork here, but what if they got Keythe to go back and fix some of the lines in the base game?  That would be pretty great of them.

Hmm, or perhaps change the lines for a more specific LI playthrough. For example, Thane saying he's at peace with himself is totally appropriate for non-LI playthroughs. You'd just have to use a different line when LI is flagged.

Ditto for changing/adding a few lines in death scene.

I don't know how practical that would be, though. They'd have to include the entire dialogue convo I think, even all the lines not being changed, to overwrite the old one?

Exactly!  There's only so much fixing they could do considering romanced Thane is almost entirely different psychological and emotionally, but it would still help to make some tweaks.

I have no idea.  And I'm not even sure how willing Bioware would be in the first place.  That dev who started the sh!tstorm also talked about 'not wanting to force players to replay the game to see content'... But man, if they just changed some lines they could fix sooo many issues people had with it.

Modifié par radishson, 05 mars 2013 - 02:31 .

[Missy_MI]

radishson wrote...
I have no idea.  And I'm not even sure how willing Bioware would be in the first place.  That dev who started the sh!tstorm also talked about 'not wanting to force players to replay the game to see content'... But man, if they just changed some lines they could fix sooo many issues people had with it.

There's a chance that if we do get some kind of extra flashback/holo vid, it might provide some of that extra dialog dealing with Thane's mindset, so his personality shift from the second game wouldn't seem quite so jarring.

It's interesting that the dalatrass is in the trailer too. Seems like she might be motivated to increase research for Kepral's Syndrome, yes? And if so, Thane's death could possibly help to save a lot more lives than just the Councilwoman's. So that's my newly added hopeful speculation.

[noobcannon]

GlassElephant wrote...

I saw a Drell in the Citadel DLC trailer. Was it Kolyat?

Modifié par noobcannon, 05 mars 2013 - 03:13 .

[radishson]

Missy_MI wrote...

radishson wrote...
I have no idea.  And I'm not even sure how willing Bioware would be in the first place.  That dev who started the sh!tstorm also talked about 'not wanting to force players to replay the game to see content'... But man, if they just changed some lines they could fix sooo many issues people had with it.

There's a chance that if we do get some kind of extra flashback/holo vid, it might provide some of that extra dialog dealing with Thane's mindset, so his personality shift from the second game wouldn't seem quite so jarring.

It's interesting that the dalatrass is in the trailer too. Seems like she might be motivated to increase research for Kepral's Syndrome, yes? And if so, Thane's death could possibly help to save a lot more lives than just the Councilwoman's. So that's my newly added hopeful speculation.

That's true, but I understand the complaints others had earlier about still having to get through the atrocious dialogue pre-coup to see any new DLC stuff.  Shepard's nonchalant attitude sort of ruins the "mood" that the romance had in ME2.

That would be very interesting!  There are so many places this could go.  I wonder how long the funeral scene will be, too.

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Thrazesul wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

I bet with enough know-how, one could mod Thane into the dance instead of Garrus.

I'd love to see a mod like that...

That might have *almost* been good enough...

Something like that would have been ok if they had bothered to add it in the game.
I doubt we get anything worthwhile out of this dlc.

[RShara]

HJF4 wrote...

Someone could write up some stuff so that Thane is consistently sending you emails throughout the game. I know how to set them up so that they are sent after specific events happen or conditions are met. I can also think of (somewhat crude, but still functional) ways that Shepard could "respond" to them and Thane could respond to Shepard's response...

I findd it sad that it's so easy to do yet BW who have far more experience at it, refuse to do it.

[Julia_xo]

Faded-Myth wrote...
If Mass Effect 3 were a passive medium, such as a book or film, I might be inclined to agree. I feel it's a little different with a video game though, especially one that is largely built on role-playing a character. Investing yourself into a virtual life, as it were, and actively making decisions and seeing the results of them (such as pursuing a romance) creates a high level of emotional attachment. You could argue that a well-written game, especially ones with high levels of role-play (or at least decision-making) involved invoke more attatchment than watching a theatrical play or film.

I'm saying this as a male who likes Thane, but would never romance him. I'm also aware that you go into his relationship knowing the danger of his illness. In any other circumstance I would agree that you've taken the risk, and you should know you'll have to deal with the inevitible outcome. But with the nature of Mass Effect 3's post-release problems and the fact that some at BioWare have admitted to fudging the ball with Thane, I do feel that something more could have been done with his character, so I can sympathize with them on that level. I personally feel BioWare simply got cheap with him, though that really goes for the majority of ME2's cast in ME3.

Well said. These games are interactive and instead of simply watching events play out the player is given a measure of control over certain events and interactions with other characters which makes things much more personal.

There was always the danger that Thane would die, but fans had hope  that it wouldn't be the only possible outcome. His Lotsb dossier mentioned that he was eligible for a lung transplant that could potentially extend his life and by the climax of his ME2 romance it was clear he feared to die and wanted to live to presumably have more time with Shepard and his son. It stands to reason he would at least have considered the transplant. He and Shepard were seperated for six months (with no contact) while she was incarcerated. What was Thane doing during that time? Why did he never try for the transplant? It never comes up and Shepard never bothers to ask.

Why couldn't we have met him at the hospital while he was recovering from surgery rather than wasting away? In that case, he would have lived to the end of the game and we could headcanon the rest. There are things they could have done differently, depending on player choice, but instead everyone got railroaded with the same outcome. It didn't matter if Thane was romanced, loyal or unloyal. The outcome was the same. The character development he underwent during the romance (not wanting to die) was downright ignored in ME3. It was like any impact their relationship had on him in ME2 was nullified in ME3 and instead he was saying "I think of us often but we always knew it would end"

It was like he gave up before he was even dead and that was the only conversation you could have with him before the coup events came into play. Shepard was never even given the chance to tell him she loved him at any point. It was like the relationship was assumed to be over. It felt more like a cheap fling than a ~tragic love story~.

This DLC won't fix any of that, unfortuneatly.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 05 mars 2013 - 10:37 .

[LanceSolous13]

Can't we just be happy that there's Thane Content at all and hold our tongues until morning when this thing comes out?

It looks like we have a Funeral Scene. We have Kolyat. All the ME2 Cast seem to be in attendance. Can't we be happy with what we got?

[Hadeedak]

I am really curious as to what Kolyat is up to. Is he helping like his dad, or is it a memorial? SPECULATION.

[Julia_xo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can't we just be happy that there's Thane Content at all and hold our tongues until morning when this thing comes out?

It looks like we have a Funeral Scene. We have Kolyat. All the ME2 Cast seem to be in attendance. Can't we be happy with what we got?

I'd be happy if we could actually spend some time with Thane before the coup/his death. Apparently, even that was too much to ask/hope for and a funeral doesn't make up for it. Not by a long shot.

I'm sure some people will enjoy it, but I don't think I will.