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#126
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darkmikasonfire wrote...

john-in-france wrote...
Thane: In love with femshep (recall the love letter from LoTSB) and he gets ignored again.


What is LoTSB? and when did you get this letter??? I romanced him in one of my two play throughs, I was there with his son as he died, I don't ever remember getting a letter :-( made me nearly cry reading it.


Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC. If you check the dossiers on the Shadow Broker's ship after that mission, you can read a letter that he wrote for femshep but didn't send. It is very sweet.


Someone youtube'd it, of all things.

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Terraforming2154 wrote...

darkmikasonfire wrote...

john-in-france wrote...
Thane: In love with femshep (recall the love letter from LoTSB) and he gets ignored again.


What is LoTSB? and when did you get this letter??? I romanced him in one of my two play throughs, I was there with his son as he died, I don't ever remember getting a letter :-( made me nearly cry reading it.


Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC. If you check the dossiers on the Shadow Broker's ship after that mission, you can read a letter that he wrote for femshep but didn't send. It is very sweet.


Someone youtube'd it, of all things.

Thane did send that letter.
After he dies you get it.

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Do you honestly believe BioWare makes female protagonists in their games for the lesbian action? If you do then just...wow.

The asari seem like a pretty obvious straight male fantasy. Given how much more lesbian and straight male Shepard romance content there is compared to straight female and gay male shepard content, it doesn't impress that BioWare in practice cares about heterosexual female gamers as much.

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Am I actually the only one who thinks there are high hopes for Thane content in this DLC? they have talked about rekindling old romances, ME2 characters and the tweet about " Thane is 'complicated and spoilery"

If there is content for a romanced Thane before the coup they won't say "the DLC starts after the coup except for the people who romanced Thane". And even if there's no content before he dies after the coup, there could be something there...maybe he can be saved at the death scene...who knows?

stop all the negativity for once and let's analyze what they actually say. And if they do nothing regarding Thane or Jacob we'll complain later. The DLC is finished, they're not gonna add it now

Modifié par earendil87, 23 février 2013 - 08:58 .


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darkmikasonfire wrote...

john-in-france wrote...
Thane: In love with femshep (recall the love letter from LoTSB) and he gets ignored again.


What is LoTSB? and when did you get this letter??? I romanced him in one of my two play throughs, I was there with his son as he died, I don't ever remember getting a letter :-( made me nearly cry reading it.


ME2 DLC: Lair of the Shadow Broker.
If you do the DLC after the romance is locked you find the letter on one of the Terminals.

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Admitting there is no Thane content would be a "spoiler," strictly speaking. Saying that admitting anything about him is a spoiler doesn't mean there is actually anything in the DLC for him. You would be "spoiled" if you were told there was no Thane content.

I am still going to get it for my Garrus and Kaidan LI Shepards, and because I enjoy the universe and stories. I will be disappointed when (if? not getting my hopes up) there is no Thane, but I am purposefully assuming there is nothing for him. They already forgot, and I'm angry at his crap content in ME3 even for my male Shepard. I didn't even want to romance him because of how crap his ME3 content is, but I finally gave in and started it. That Shepard is close to the SM, and the only content left at the moment is sitting in life support with him holding his hand. I find it hard to move the story past that, knowing he has such a **** ending in ME3.

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d4eaming wrote...

Admitting there is no Thane content would be a "spoiler," strictly speaking. Saying that admitting anything about him is a spoiler doesn't mean there is actually anything in the DLC for him. You would be "spoiled" if you were told there was no Thane content.

I am still going to get it for my Garrus and Kaidan LI Shepards, and because I enjoy the universe and stories. I will be disappointed when (if? not getting my hopes up) there is no Thane, but I am purposefully assuming there is nothing for him. They already forgot, and I'm angry at his crap content in ME3 even for my male Shepard. I didn't even want to romance him because of how crap his ME3 content is, but I finally gave in and started it. That Shepard is close to the SM, and the only content left at the moment is sitting in life support with him holding his hand. I find it hard to move the story past that, knowing he has such a **** ending in ME3.


If it is spoilery regardless of if they confirm Thane's involvement, why comment at all? There really isn't any purpose to such a reply unless there is something there.

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Ghost1017 wrote...

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No surprise. BioWare believes most people play FemShep are males and are) n it for the girl-on-girl action. It's obviously not the same BioWare we all knew and loved.

Completely idiotic post.


FemShep has two viable heterosexual options and four viable lesbian options in ME3.  If Kaidan died or you didn't romance Garrus in ME2, you only have lesbians (minus Kelly, who has to be romanced in ME2).  So.  Yes.  Their statement seemed pretty spot-the-fcuk-on.

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Do you honestly believe BioWare makes female protagonists in their games for the lesbian action? If you do then just...wow.


No, I do not believe that Bioware makes female protagonists in their games just for the lesbian action.

I do believe that male players like it though. If you don't think so, go check out the Traynor thread. There are lots of male players going on about their femsheps getting it on with Traynor.

It also happens to be one of the biggest male turn ons...most female/female porn sells to men.

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d4eaming wrote...

Admitting there is no Thane content would be a "spoiler," strictly speaking. Saying that admitting anything about him is a spoiler doesn't mean there is actually anything in the DLC for him. You would be "spoiled" if you were told there was no Thane content.


They forgot Thane in the game ME3, which is a big game full of content, but this is a kind of "romance DLC" focused on old characters and romances...they can't just forget him. They must have done at least something, like giving him a decent death scene or whatever... They've had a lot of Thane feedback, they have admitted they dropped the ball with him and this DLC is about ME2 characters among others... I think it's enough to have more than "some" hope. And yeah, I've been disappointed by BioWare before as much as you but let's give them the benefit of the doubt and let's not be stubborn.

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Regardless of Bioware's intentions, Fem!Shep always having only homosexual romances, while the hetrosexual ones are not set in stone is rife with unfortunate implications and should have been caught sooner.

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I suppose the worst case scenario is that we might get a hologram actually narrating the love letter...

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john-in-france wrote...

I suppose the worst case scenario is that we might get a hologram actually narrating the love letter...


No, The Worst Case Sinerio is that Menzen thought it would be spoilers to confirm that Thane has no part in the DLC at all.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

I suppose the worst case scenario is that we might get a hologram actually narrating the love letter...


No, The Worst Case Sinerio is that Menzen thought it would be spoilers to confirm that Thane has no part in the DLC at all.


True, but I was giving BW the benefit of the doubt. Minimum necessary to fulfil their promise of extending the ME2 LI arc with Thane.

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I figured that LoTSB meant that but I wasn't sure so I didn't want to pretend like I knew it just to find out I was wrong, I look stupid often enough without doing that.
I totally don't remember that :-/ hmm I'll have to look at this stuff again.


john-in-france wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

_Heather_Shepard_ wrote...
No surprise. BioWare believes most people play FemShep are males and are) in it for the girl-on-girl action. It's obviously not the same BioWare we all knew and loved.

Completely idiotic post.

FemShep has two viable heterosexual options and four viable lesbian options in ME3.  If Kaidan died or you didn't romance Garrus in ME2, you only have lesbians (minus Kelly, who has to be romanced in ME2).  So.  Yes.  Their statement seemed pretty spot-the-fcuk-on.

Do you honestly believe BioWare makes female protagonists in their games for the lesbian action? If you do then just...wow.

No, I do not believe that Bioware makes female protagonists in their games just for the lesbian action.
I do believe that male players like it though. If you don't think so, go check out the Traynor thread. There are lots of male players going on about their femsheps getting it on with Traynor. It also happens to be one of the biggest male turn ons...most female/female porn sells to men.


I can see both sides of this. I for one, am female and like females, Traynor is a total cutie, most of her cutscenes that are even slightly romantic are some of the cutest ones in the game. Still prefer my tall and blue beauty but... yeah.

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Technically Liara is not female. She (?) is mono-gendered.

However it is difficult to see past the obvious femaleness if you are strongly heterosexual.

I defend the right for lesbian LIs, but I want a heterosexual one.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...
Regardless of Bioware's intentions, Fem!Shep always having only homosexual romances, while the hetrosexual ones are not set in stone is rife with unfortunate implications and should have been caught sooner.


This.  Same thing with the unfortunate racial implications surrounding Jacob's ME3 arc.  The defense given for Jacob cheating is especially flimsy.  Apparently Jacob switching from Alliance to Cerberus is foreshadowing aplenty for him being a cheating, irresponsible idiot.  Guess who else can switch allegiance?  Shepard. <_<

It doesn't matter whether the medium is literature or film or gaming.  Consumers get messages out of a piece of media regardless of whether the intention was there or not.  The message with ME3's treatment of FemShep's romance interests is not a particularly positive one, and I find it astounding that no one on the development team caught it or did anything about it.

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Getting back to the Threads purpose.

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A) Will we get Thane content?
B) If so what conditions need to be met to save Thane from death by Kai Leng?
C) Have Bioware forgotten us?

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Come to think of it, the tweet says "I can't discuss Thane, it's complicated and definitely spiolery". So:

- If there's nothing related to Thane that would be a spoiler but it's not complicated at all. I would be the simplest (and crappiest) option.

- If they only remade his death scene thats also spoilery but very simple as well. It would be the simplest positive thing.

- But the fact that it's "complicated" suggest maybe a big thing about him. Maybe he can be saved...maybe there's new content for him before the coup... who knows, but I'd say (and hope) it looks kind of good, doesn't it?

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I'm definatly a Garrus girl, but I always really liked Thane, and was looking forward to having a Shep who romances him... Until ME3.

I like the way it plays out for an unromanced Thane. Yeah the fight scene is very silly, and every time he points the gun at KL I always yell at him to shoot (and he never does) but the end scene with His son is really beautiful. And an unromanced Thane was always at peace with his death.

But for a romanced Thane, having almost exactly the same content seems wrong. What happened to the Thane who had become un ready for his death? Who wanted more from life with Shepard. And the fact that no one mentions him (and this a gripe, though a much smaller one for Thane's death, even unromanced) is just wrong, but the VS gets lots of conversation, even when they arent dead.

So I really hope that bothe Thane and Jacob get more content, so femShep can have a straight romance in 3.

And after Thane dies people should hit on you a lot less. There should be an option for the player to instigate a relationship, but the dialogue leading up to it should be non romance.

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Well, he's dead so euhm... well yea. Unless you want to do some necromancing.

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Oh great. The trolls are out again. Don't you people have anything better to do than pull the "he was dying" card. Sheez. You know what happens when you date someone who's alive? They die.

Still don't get that most of us don't care that he died (or at least don't care much), but that we care that his character was butchered while he was alive? That the portrayal of a dignified, spiritual, philosophical man was turned into the sweaty pool boy from some b-grad porn movie that hepler watched one night? That the woman he was supposed to be in love with was shoved into the arms of someone who, by using that "cheating" allegation, basically admitted that he saw her as nothing but property. That we care that those of us who have actually experienced death as an adult, had to look after our loved one's every basic need, from bathing to wiping their asses because they were too ill to do so themselves, can see that Thane in is NOT a dying man. That he's FAKING it? That we are intelligent enough to know that a bacterial lung infection can not, IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM, turn into a genetic blood disorder?

This fandom has gone from being something I loved dearly, to something that makes me want to kill off the human species myself. At least at the moment. Because if you can't respect someone else's decision based simply on gender, AND THAT"S WHAT THIS WAS, then frankly I'm not sure that humans deserve to exist at all.

It may seem like an overreaction, and truthfully it is, but this is not only an issue, it is a symptom of a larger issue, that you trolls are continuing to enforce.

I'm angry, I'm sad, but most of all, I'm tired. This "it's complicated, spoilerific" comment from Jessica simply says that Thane is being shot in the back yet again, in favour of the idiots jerking off to their Liara blow up dolls, or that comic where Tali takes viagra and instead of dying, her breasts and vagina burst out of her suit. Yes that unfortunately exists. Makes me sad that THESE people are the ones that BioWare, or rather EA, have decided to accommodate. Instead of those who are capable of thinking themselves through an open door.

I think I will soon be officially abandoning this fandom. I'm just so tired...

And I'll be back after the suspension, on the off chance that a moderator actually deins to come into a Thane thread.

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john-in-france wrote...

Getting back to the Threads purpose.

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A) Will we get Thane content?
B) If so what conditions need to be met to save Thane from death by Kai Leng?
C) Have Bioware forgotten us?


A - I think it is likely that there will be more acknowledgement of Thane - possible memorial, additional dialogue, holovid.  Having him alive for the DLC seems unlikely.

B - If by some miracle the allow him to survive I agree with you that Kirrahe surviving and taking part in the coup would be a good opportunity to implement this along with some of the side quests on the citadel pre coup.

C - Forgotten? no.  Forsaken? probably.

For the record, there is no chance that I will buy this dlc if Thane's death remains compulsory.  Roleplaying a bereaved Shep is not my idea of entertainment and once was definitely enough.  I won't be diving into that toxic environment again.

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@ mythlover20.
You have a gift with words. Thank you.

@ Trolls...seek life elsewhere.
Necromancy: The art of revealing future events by calling up and questioning the spirits of the dead. Chambers English Dictionary. This is totally irrelevent.

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wildannie wrote...

For the record, there is no chance that I will buy this dlc if Thane's death remains compulsory.  Roleplaying a bereaved Shep is not my idea of entertainment and once was definitely enough.  I won't be diving into that toxic environment again.


I know what you mean...

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Aaand back to thread

People need to realize Thanemancers ARE very well RIGHT to be upset. Their LI of choice was boasted to have been made for THEM asking female Biowsare devs for input on what is appealing to a woman (so apparently Bald guy with bulging eyes and exposed pecs.......VIN DIESEL lol) but then he gets ENTIRELY forgotten in ME3 and per dev admission hastily tacked on. Worse his illness us magically retconned to make sure he dies and even if you went out of your way to make sure kirrahe lives in ME1 he dies anyway. Couple that with the fact that Jacob turns out to be a cheating scumbag and Kaiden is his usual whiny self and what exactly are they left with?

Sure, there is enough tech savviness in the alliance to create sentient Biological humsn/animal hybrid constructs (oh god......Neko girls for ME4!!!!) but gene therapy + lung transplant? Nope... Oh wait....after the retcon it would not matter anyway