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[Han Shot First]

RShara wrote...

Thane was too good to ever be identified, so there's no proof that he's a criminal. He was also sanctioned by his home planet in his profession, so there's nothing illegal about it anyway.

He was just a hero.

That last part is incorrect.

Thane started off in the employ of the Hanar state. Those killings would have been government sanctioned ones against enemies of the Hanar government, and not criminal acts at least from the Hanar point of view. Thane however later becomes a freelancer. The last part of his career is not spent as a government agent, but rather as a contract killer. Thane transitions from a government assassin to a criminal one.

Shepard's statement about Thane having once been a criminal was correct. Also even though Thane's criminal acts may have lacked proof, the memorial service was a small one entirely with family and close friends, who no doubt knew Thane's past already. The only exception was the Salarian Councilor whose life was saved, who probably already knew Thane's backstory by that point as well. As the poster above me noted, Cerberus knew of Thane's criminal past. In any case, Shepard mentioning that criminal past wouldn't have been an embarrasing revelation for anyone present.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 06:10 .

[CronoDragoon]

RShara wrote...

Thane was too good to ever be identified, so there's no proof that he's a criminal. He was also sanctioned by his home planet in his profession, so there's nothing illegal about it anyway.

He was just a hero.

Thane himself acknowledged his past sins, specifically killing those who killed his wife. While his assassinations were his "body" doing the work, he takes responsibility for those he tortured and killed for revenge.

He ended up a hero, but he was also a criminal earlier in his life.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 07 mars 2013 - 06:09 .

[Vlk3]

Our LI is still dead? Perhaps that's the reason.

Maybe because the DLC is full of fan service and good times, while Thanemancers get only bitter and sad scenes?

How can anyone come here and wonder why are we complaining? Everyone else got everything they wanted. A proper goodbye should be there from the start.

And ghosts in sci-fi game are lame.

[LoonySpectre]

Siha!Shepard doesn't say anything about criminals, anyway.

[Vlk3]

Why don't you just go back to worshipping Liara or whoever you like and leave us alone?
Shep killed a lot of people, especially renegade, when he/she didn't have to and no one calls him/her a criminal. Criminal is a word I would use for a drug dealer, murderer and thief. Thane killed, yes, but his victims weren't innocent.

Modifié par Vlk3, 07 mars 2013 - 06:16 .

[RShara]

Vlk3 wrote...

Why don't you just go back to worshipping Liara or whoever you like and leave us alone?
Shep killed a lot of people, especially renegade, when he/she didn't have to and no one calls him/her a criminal. Criminal is a word I would use for a drug dealer, murderer and thief. Thane killed, yes, but his victims weren't innocent.

Exactly.

Also, it seriously would not have been that difficult to change it so he lives through the end of the game.  A few extra/different lines of dialogue in the post-coup hospital scene.  Skip the prayer and instead have the surgeon tell you he's recovering.  Send him away to Kahje or Inta'sei to recover.  Get letters from him.  Have the hologram be the farewell that you get from the other squaddies on the Crucible.

Voila.

[LoonySpectre]

Shepard was technically a war criminal after Arrival.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Pity party for everybody up in here.

One of my playthroughs as femshep, I romanced thane. I found his ME3 treatment to be sad, but also very good. And the citadel dlc scenes were all very good as well, excellent in fact, and I love bioware for at least having more stuff in it than just the funeral.

Still, I guess that means I'm not a true romancer of thane then, not extremist enough I guess.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 07 mars 2013 - 06:41 .

[Mr.House]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Or she got it and hid it because she was jealous and wanted to jump into Shepard's pants.

<_< Grow up. Finding a way to stop the Reapers was more imporant then making sure love letters got to Shepard.

[LinksOcarina]

Vlk3 wrote...

Our LI is still dead? Perhaps that's the reason.

Maybe because the DLC is full of fan service and good times, while Thanemancers get only bitter and sad scenes?

How can anyone come here and wonder why are we complaining? Everyone else got everything they wanted. A proper goodbye should be there from the start.

And ghosts in sci-fi game are lame.

And yet, you had the best ending of all, the most poignant romance of the bunch if you ask me.

So yes, I do wonder why you continue to complain. I get the reason why, I just simply disagree at this point, considering what you received was so good. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 07 mars 2013 - 06:39 .

[JECW]

Obadiah wrote...

That ghost scene is cool as hell. People are still complaining? REALLY????!!!!!

Don't like it don't come in here.

[Vlk3]

No need to start a war because of a joke. In my headcanon it is Liara who helps Thane with her resources and connections. She knows how important it is for Shepard. But I can't stop thinking that she would like to get in my Shepard's pants anyway.

What to do... Shepard's charm is irresistible...

[JECW]

Mr.House wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Or she got it and hid it because she was jealous and wanted to jump into Shepard's pants.

<_< Grow up. Finding a way to stop the Reapers was more imporant then making sure love letters got to Shepard.

She's just speculating. She didn't say it was fact. Get a grip.
You just came in here to defend Liara. Really?

[Han Shot First]

Vlk3 wrote...

Why don't you just go back to worshipping Liara or whoever you like and leave us alone?
Shep killed a lot of people, especially renegade, when he/she didn't have to and no one calls him/her a criminal. Criminal is a word I would use for a drug dealer, murderer and thief. Thane killed, yes, but his victims weren't innocent.

Maybe you ought to be open to people having opinions different from your own. This is a thread in the Story and Campaign Discussion forum, not a private group where the entrance requirements are everyone sharing the same opinion.

Thane broke laws, therefore he was a criminal. It doesn't matter if the victims weren't innocent. Is a mafia hitman any less of a criminal if his victims are all people who are involved in organized crime?

And you are wrong that no one ever called Shepard a criminal. Shepard spends a year as a prisoner because of his association with Cerberus (a criminal organization) and for his role in the events of Arrival. Of course we (the players) know Shepard did all of that for the right reasons, but to many people in the galaxy prior to the Reaper invasion Shepard would have been viewed as a criminal.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 06:47 .

[JECW]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Pity party for everybody up in here.

One of my playthroughs as femshep, I romanced thane. I found his ME3 treatment to be sad, but also very good. And the citadel dlc scenes were all very good as well, excellent in fact, and I love bioware for at least having more stuff in it than just the funeral.

Still, I guess that means I'm not a true romancer of thane then, not extremist enough I guess.

Oh please. Someone else who needs to get a grip. Serioulsy.
Not one person said that so don't make up lies. I thought it was ok.
You liked it and that's fine. Not everyone did, but I guess others are not entitled to their opinion.

[LoonySpectre]

Mr.House wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Or she got it and hid it because she was jealous and wanted to jump into Shepard's pants.

<_< Grow up. Finding a way to stop the Reapers was more imporant then making sure love letters got to Shepard.

Still, there's a lot of very miscellaneous info available at the Shadow Broker Terminal in ME3. Letter from Kahlee Sanders to Anderson, conflict between Grunt and some random krogan recruit, love letter from Jacob to Brynn, even letters from Morinth to Falere and Rila, for Kalahira's sake.

[JECW]

Han Shot First wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

Why don't you just go back to worshipping Liara or whoever you like and leave us alone?
Shep killed a lot of people, especially renegade, when he/she didn't have to and no one calls him/her a criminal. Criminal is a word I would use for a drug dealer, murderer and thief. Thane killed, yes, but his victims weren't innocent.

Maybe you ought to be open to people having opinions different from your own. This is a thread in the Story and Campaign Discussion forum, not a private group where the entrance requirements are everyone sharing the same opinion.

Thane broke laws, therefore he was a criminal. It doesn't matter if the victims weren't innocent. Is a mafia hitman any less of a criminal if his victims are all people who are involved in organized crime?

And you are wrong that no one ever called Shepard a criminal. Shepard spends a year imprisoned because of his association with Cerberus (a criminal organization) and for his role in the events of Arrival. Of course we (the players) know Shepard did all of that for the right reasons, but to many people in the galaxy prior to the Reaper invasion Shepard would have been viewed as a criminal.

Why are you still arguing about this.
You thought it was ok for Shep to mention that. I didn't. Others didn't. Just leave it at that.

[Vlk3]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

Our LI is still dead? Perhaps that's the reason.

Maybe because the DLC is full of fan service and good times, while Thanemancers get only bitter and sad scenes?

How can anyone come here and wonder why are we complaining? Everyone else got everything they wanted. A proper goodbye should be there from the start.

And ghosts in sci-fi game are lame.

And yet, you had the best ending of all, the most poignant romance of the bunch if you ask me.

So yes, I do wonder why you continue to complain. I get the reason why, I just simply disagree at this point, considering what you received was so good. 

Best ending of all?You mean my headcanon, where Thane survives? Seriously, if you think that this is better than what you get in game, then why don't you swap places with me? It seems everyone else knows better what Thanemancers should or shouldn't like.

I do think that Thane from ME2 is the best character of the whole trilogy, that's why I chose him as a romance option for my Shepard. Not because I'm an emo girl who wants to experience something sad. Is it so hard to get?
It's a war, losses should be far more severe if you really want a depressing game. The point is most people choose those happy romances for a reason.

I, for one, was foolish enough to think that BioWare wouldn't force their fans to experience the forced death of their LI.
I guess I belived in their good hearts too much.

[LinksOcarina]

Vlk3 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

Our LI is still dead? Perhaps that's the reason.

Maybe because the DLC is full of fan service and good times, while Thanemancers get only bitter and sad scenes?

How can anyone come here and wonder why are we complaining? Everyone else got everything they wanted. A proper goodbye should be there from the start.

And ghosts in sci-fi game are lame.

And yet, you had the best ending of all, the most poignant romance of the bunch if you ask me.

So yes, I do wonder why you continue to complain. I get the reason why, I just simply disagree at this point, considering what you received was so good. 

Best ending of all?You mean my headcanon, where Thane survives? Seriously, if you think that this is better than what you get in game, then why don't you swap places with me? It seems everyone else knows better what Thanemancers should or shouldn't like.

I do think that Thane from ME2 is the best character of the whole trilogy, that's why I chose him as a romance option for my Shepard. Not because I'm an emo girl who wants to experience something sad. Is it so hard to get?
It's a war, losses should be far more severe if you really want a depressing game. The point is most people choose those happy romances for a reason.

I, for one, was foolish enough to think that BioWare wouldn't force their fans to experience the forced death of their LI.
I guess I belived in their good hearts too much.

Honestly, I saw the ending to Thanes romance as one of Thane saying to Shepard that everything will be ok. That to me is more powerful and a happy ending for the romance than anything else I saw in the DLC. 

So yeah, I get you want something happy where Thane lives. If you are not satisfied with the happiness and love you received from Thane in 2 or 3 at this point though, I can't help you then but to simply disagree with your assessment. 

By the way,I would stop saying people don't get it because they are not a "Thanemancer," there is no such "us or them" mentality with me, and frankly such labels are hyperbolic in nature and are just made to make divisions such as this more venomous. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

JECW wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Pity party for everybody up in here.

One of my playthroughs as femshep, I romanced thane. I found his ME3 treatment to be sad, but also very good. And the citadel dlc scenes were all very good as well, excellent in fact, and I love bioware for at least having more stuff in it than just the funeral.

Still, I guess that means I'm not a true romancer of thane then, not extremist enough I guess.

Oh please. Someone else who needs to get a grip. Serioulsy.
Not one person said that so don't make up lies. I thought it was ok.
You liked it and that's fine. Not everyone did, but I guess others are not entitled to their opinion.

Oh I'm sorry, is my observation on the prevailing attitude of this thread being that those who don't agree with the domiant message of "Bioware is evil" are simply trying to torment thanemancers rubbing you the wrong way?

[Han Shot First]

JECW wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

Why don't you just go back to worshipping Liara or whoever you like and leave us alone?
Shep killed a lot of people, especially renegade, when he/she didn't have to and no one calls him/her a criminal. Criminal is a word I would use for a drug dealer, murderer and thief. Thane killed, yes, but his victims weren't innocent.

Maybe you ought to be open to people having opinions different from your own. This is a thread in the Story and Campaign Discussion forum, not a private group where the entrance requirements are everyone sharing the same opinion.

Thane broke laws, therefore he was a criminal. It doesn't matter if the victims weren't innocent. Is a mafia hitman any less of a criminal if his victims are all people who are involved in organized crime?

And you are wrong that no one ever called Shepard a criminal. Shepard spends a year imprisoned because of his association with Cerberus (a criminal organization) and for his role in the events of Arrival. Of course we (the players) know Shepard did all of that for the right reasons, but to many people in the galaxy prior to the Reaper invasion Shepard would have been viewed as a criminal.

Why are you still arguing about this.
You thought it was ok for Shep to mention that. I didn't. Others didn't. Just leave it at that.

Because your definition of criminal was wrong, and Thane was a murderer.

Saying you don't like the use of the word criminal in the eulogy is one thing, and just a matter of personal preference. Claiming the word itself is inaccurate however when applied to Thane is incorrect.

[Vlk3]

Fine, attack me in this thread and then start saying that I'm making it more venomous. So you wanted to say that I'm not right and should just shut up? What's wrong with wanting to be treated fairly?
I don't believe in ghosts, afterlife is something I doubt exists, too. No one should force me to believe in that in order to get a satisfying ending. I don't know what can be more depressing than Shepard wkaing up in the rubble, realising that the rest of he rlife will be very lonely.

You liked it- fine, so be it! I don't like it and I feel left out. I don't agree that death and suffering is better than talking and cuddling with living person. I wanted the same for my Shepard that other's got. Those, who chose Garrus have an awesome date and can dance with him. Those, who chose Liara, can settle down with her after the war and have their blue babies. I have a few vids where Thane talks about his suffering. And then my Shepard is lonely. This isn't fair and I would give everything to have an option to somehow save Thane in ME3 and headcanon the rest.

Even if someone enjoyed Thane's death, it shouldn't feel right to force someone to experience that if they think he was not a character whose only purpose was just dying. Thane just died. If you enjoy death, ok, but just don't force anyone else to experience that.

Oh, but I forgot. It's not right to say that Thane was awesome character and deserved to live. Someone might come in here and say that I shouldn't think that and my opinion is wrong.

Modifié par Vlk3, 07 mars 2013 - 07:11 .

[JECW]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

JECW wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Pity party for everybody up in here.

One of my playthroughs as femshep, I romanced thane. I found his ME3 treatment to be sad, but also very good. And the citadel dlc scenes were all very good as well, excellent in fact, and I love bioware for at least having more stuff in it than just the funeral.

Still, I guess that means I'm not a true romancer of thane then, not extremist enough I guess.

Oh please. Someone else who needs to get a grip. Serioulsy.
Not one person said that so don't make up lies. I thought it was ok.
You liked it and that's fine. Not everyone did, but I guess others are not entitled to their opinion.

Oh I'm sorry, is my observation on the prevailing attitude of this thread being that those who don't agree with the domiant message of "Bioware is evil" are simply trying to torment thanemancers rubbing you the wrong way?

Your observation is wrong, and who said that those who still love Bioware are trying to torment Thane fans. I don't remember reading that.

You still like Bioware and others don't.
What's the problem?

[Cainhurst Crow]

I should go.

[LinksOcarina]

Vlk3 wrote...

Fine, attack me in this thread and then start saying that I'm making it more venomous. So you wanted to say that I'm not right and should just shut up? What's wrong with wanting to be treated fairly?
I don't believe in ghosts, afterlife is something I doubt exists, too. No one should force me to believe in that in order to get a satisfying ending. I don't know what can be more depressing than Shepard wkaing up in the rubble, realising that the rest of he rlife will be very lonely.

You liked it- fine, so be it! I don't like it and I feel left out. I don't agree that death and suffering is better than talking and cuddling with living person. I wanted the same for my Shepard that other's got. Those, who chose Garrus have an awesome date and can dance with him. Those, who chose Liara, can settle down with her after the war and have their blue babies. I have a few vids where Thane talks about his suffering. And then my Shepard is lonely. This isn't fair and I would give everything to have an option to somehow save Thane in ME3 and headcanon the rest.

Even if someone enjoyed Thane's death, it shouldn't feel right to force someone to experience that if they think he was not a character whose only purpose was just dying. Thane just died. If you enjoy death, ok, but just don't force anyone else to experience that.

Oh, but I forgot. It's not right to say that Thane was awesome character and deserved to live. Someone might come in here and say that I shouldn't think that and my opinion is wrong.

What the **** are you talking about?

I am not attacking you at all. I am just pointing out I barely understand the hate because I thought the endings given were well done. If you disagree you disagree, but don't jump down my throat for pointing that out or stating an opinion regarding the content.