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[jtav]

If you must know...

I dropped in the ME2 thread a few times and it was made very clear to me that I wasn't welcome because I wanted a mandatory death and I was belittled for working on a fic pairing him with another character. So I stayed away in the Miranda thread. I thought the lack of a mention and Paramour were serious problems, but the death per se was more or less what I wanted. I didn't advocate for any changes because I thought BW would never do any ME2 character content. Now, with Citadel, Thane feels like a legitimate LI again, and I get the bittersweet romance I wanted.

[lyssalu]

i don't think anyone wanted to know, actually

[Xilizhra]

Just popping in to say that I would have romanced Thane if I was straight, and would have advocated more strongly for his surviving had I been focusing on him and not other things coming up to ME3.

[Julia_xo]

I really don't understand people who act like "Welp, I got everything I wanted so haha" Good for you?

Jtav - It's great that you enjoyed the forced death of a beloved character and were required to buy a 15 dollar dlc to get any sort of closure on it but..... the rest of us didn't enjoy it. There are still major problems with Thane's romance content in the base game which the DLC doesn't address. And, as far as I know, he's still not a legitimate LI who will grant a paramour achievement. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[jtav]

No he doesn't grant Paramour, same as Refuse doesn't grant the Legend achievement. It's my understanding that this is a Microsoft thing. I feel they did all they reasonably could without changing the story, which I never expected them to do. Having Shepard and the other's mourn and the docking bay scene was the next best thing, and I'm grateful for it, just like I'm grateful my mShep finally gets to kiss his LI when she isn't dying. Should something like it have been in the base game? Yep. But the choice now wasn't base game or DLC, but DLC or nothing. I can enjoy the romance again and that's worth $15.

[lyssalu]

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

[Persephone]

lyssalu wrote...

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

This I agree with. Granted, you haven't run into everybody yet by then, but that isn't mandatory anyway.

[Julia_xo]

Their excuse for not making the DLC available pre-coup is so bogus. Didn't they claim it's because they didn't think anyone would want to replay the game from that early or something?

Both Leviathan, Omega and even Javik can all be done before the Coup. It's only the Citadel DLC that gets slapped with this restriction and it's such BS.

[lyssalu]

and if you could play it at any point no one would have to replay it if they didn't want to,

[epenthesis]

lyssalu wrote...

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

Not as is. Wrex would not be available before the end of the Tuchanka arc, and that flows directly into the coup. And "repairs and shore leave" only makes sense after a certain amount of game time.

More to the point, BioWare would have had to create alternate content for Thane depending on whether he was alive or dead when the DLC was played. Given that most people will be playing it late in the game (at least at first), it's easy to see why they chose to restrict it. They made a similar decision not to let Mordin join the party for the sake of the minority who kept him alive, but to devote those resources toward making better content for when he dies.

It wasn't an arbitrary decision to screw Thanemancers over, but the most practical thing to do.

[hood815]

any one know who takes Samaras place at the memorial if shes dead?

[epenthesis]

hood815 wrote...

any one know who takes Samaras place at the memorial if shes dead?

No one as far as I know. I just had an empty space there.

[SilentK]

epenthesis wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

Not as is. Wrex would not be available before the end of the Tuchanka arc, and that flows directly into the coup. And "repairs and shore leave" only makes sense after a certain amount of game time.

More to the point, BioWare would have had to create alternate content for Thane depending on whether he was alive or dead when the DLC was played. Given that most people will be playing it late in the game (at least at first), it's easy to see why they chose to restrict it. They made a similar decision not to let Mordin join the party for the sake of the minority who kept him alive, but to devote those resources toward making better content for when he dies.

It wasn't an arbitrary decision to screw Thanemancers over, but the most practical thing to do.

Most Shepard's also lock in their romance with a LI after the coup unless my memory is wrong.

You get Liara, Garrus and Kaidan on the Citadel afterwards. Cortez and Sam are also after the coup.  The BroSheps who romances Tali and Miranda have to wait a longer. The Miri-guys really have to wait. Since there were so few of us who romanced either Jacob or Thane, well us in the Jacob group were even fewer, my bet would be that most people would play it after the coup when they have their LI (who is not Thane or Jacob) locked in.

Wrex plays a major role in the dlc if he is alive. Hmm.. if it took place before the coup then the genophage would not have been solved yet. They would have to give Wrex a new scene at the bar since there would be no fertile females to bang at that point. And it would be a horrible stab in the back to have Wrex in the party and all that dlc, and then not cure the genophage and kill him when he confronts you.

I can see why it is easier for the over all picture to place it after the coup. So many people would probably play it after the coup that it doesn't make sense to do double material for those placing it before or after the coup.

[RShara]

Except that isn't a huge point of the game its replayability? Don't they WANT us to be able to play it to experience different things?

So "Don't want people to have to replay it" is just a ridiculous excuse.

[BeanieBat]

jtav wrote...

No he doesn't grant Paramour, same as Refuse doesn't grant the Legend achievement. It's my understanding that this is a Microsoft thing. I feel they did all they reasonably could without changing the story, which I never expected them to do. Having Shepard and the other's mourn and the docking bay scene was the next best thing, and I'm grateful for it, just like I'm grateful my mShep finally gets to kiss his LI when she isn't dying. Should something like it have been in the base game? Yep. But the choice now wasn't base game or DLC, but DLC or nothing. I can enjoy the romance again and that's worth $15.

Just have a question for you as I am curious - do you think you can now enjoy the romance from the beginning of ME3? With nothing have been altered pre-coup? I guess I should also ask what you thought was wrong/needed work with the romance before the DLC, to give you answer some context. Did you just think that it was incomplete, or did you have concerns about the conversations/fight scene?

I haven't played the DLC, as I don't think it would change the fact that I don't want to playthrough that content of ME3 again.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Let's say that in the dlc thane lived, and that setting it pre-coup was not to get content with thane in it, but kirahee. And that in order to kirahee's content, you had to play the game again, from start all the way to the mid-tuchanka arc, stop, go to the citadel, get kirahee's added content(which would amount to 2 scenes at most and not the party) than zoom back to tuchanka, finish the arc, head back, do the coup, have kirahee die, and only than get to the citadel mission, have all the characters do the single player content, than go all the way through the whole game in order to get all the squadmates, and make trips back and forth to the citadel to see their new content.

Would you really want to go through all the trouble? Or would you rather just play the content before cronos station so everything can be done in one crack?

[epenthesis]

I hadn't even thought of those points, SilentK.

Since all of the romances are only locked in after the coup, allowing Citadel to happen before then would make it impossible to have *any* content specific to your love interest. (Assuming that the LI check happens when the DLC is launched and not when the scenes begin, as Chris implied.) That would be way worse than not having it available while Thane is still alive.

[jtav]

BeanieBat wrote...

jtav wrote...

No he doesn't grant Paramour, same as Refuse doesn't grant the Legend achievement. It's my understanding that this is a Microsoft thing. I feel they did all they reasonably could without changing the story, which I never expected them to do. Having Shepard and the other's mourn and the docking bay scene was the next best thing, and I'm grateful for it, just like I'm grateful my mShep finally gets to kiss his LI when she isn't dying. Should something like it have been in the base game? Yep. But the choice now wasn't base game or DLC, but DLC or nothing. I can enjoy the romance again and that's worth $15.

Just have a question for you as I am curious - do you think you can now enjoy the romance from the beginning of ME3? With nothing have been altered pre-coup? I guess I should also ask what you thought was wrong/needed work with the romance before the DLC, to give you answer some context. Did you just think that it was incomplete, or did you have concerns about the conversations/fight scene?

I haven't played the DLC, as I don't think it would change the fact that I don't want to playthrough that content of ME3 again.

My main problem was that it was like he never existed once he died. Damn it, Garrus, someone's name did go up on that wall and he saved the councilor and allowed me to get a whole fleet. And I loved him." The making out will always make me roll my eyes, but the messages, Shepard crying, and docking bay scene let me know how they really felt. So I'm content.

[Elana.S]

SilentK wrote...

epenthesis wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

the dlc could have taken place before the coup

Not as is. Wrex would not be available before the end of the Tuchanka arc, and that flows directly into the coup. And "repairs and shore leave" only makes sense after a certain amount of game time.

More to the point, BioWare would have had to create alternate content for Thane depending on whether he was alive or dead when the DLC was played. Given that most people will be playing it late in the game (at least at first), it's easy to see why they chose to restrict it. They made a similar decision not to let Mordin join the party for the sake of the minority who kept him alive, but to devote those resources toward making better content for when he dies.

It wasn't an arbitrary decision to screw Thanemancers over, but the most practical thing to do.

Most Shepard's also lock in their romance with a LI after the coup unless my memory is wrong.

You get Liara, Garrus and Kaidan on the Citadel afterwards. Cortez and Sam are also after the coup.  The BroSheps who romances Tali and Miranda have to wait a longer. The Miri-guys really have to wait. Since there were so few of us who romanced either Jacob or Thane, well us in the Jacob group were even fewer, my bet would be that most people would play it after the coup when they have their LI (who is not Thane or Jacob) locked in.

Wrex plays a major role in the dlc if he is alive. Hmm.. if it took place before the coup then the genophage would not have been solved yet. They would have to give Wrex a new scene at the bar since there would be no fertile females to bang at that point. And it would be a horrible stab in the back to have Wrex in the party and all that dlc, and then not cure the genophage and kill him when he confronts you.

I can see why it is easier for the over all picture to place it after the coup. So many people would probably play it after the coup that it doesn't make sense to do double material for those placing it before or after the coup.

But they already have replacement content for Wrex being absent. I mean, most of the Playstation players will have a dead Wrex on their canon playthroughs because that is the default for the Playstation version of ME2 without the motion comic.

It's not about saving effort for themselves. They put effort where they want to put effort.

I believe it's about Thane being essentially an orphaned project. His writer left the company, and the remaining people are going to put their time into their own babies rather than Thane.

I have extremely mixed emotions on the Thane content of this DLC... although as I mentioned before, goddamn Kaidan blocked me from seeing a third of it 

Modifié par Elana.S, 08 mars 2013 - 09:01 .

[BeanieBat]

jtav wrote...
]My main problem was that it was like he never existed once he died. Damn it, Garrus, someone's name did go up on that wall and he saved the councilor and allowed me to get a whole fleet. And I loved him." The making out will always make me roll my eyes, but the messages, Shepard crying, and docking bay scene let me know how they really felt. So I'm content.

I see. I had issues with the content before his death too (the subject of the conversation/lack of conversation options/wanting to slap my Shep for speaking nonsense...). So while it's nice that the DLC has more content relating to Thane and fixes the post-death issues, I think I will still get annoyed when playing through the pre-coup Thane content and so I doubt the DLC will make the game replayable for me. If I were to play, it would just be a one time run.

[giftfish]

Some of you folks might know me from around here as the BSN coordinator for the Romance DLC Initiative (Cosmic Love blog).

I tend to stay out of threads like this, but I did want to pop in to clarify one thing, at that is this:

Thane was not romanced by a "minority" of players.

Below are some hard numbers from our survey of 6200 players (54% male, 45% female).  This was not a BSN poll, but an 80+ question comprehensive web-based survey:

-- 28.1% of players romanced Thane
-- 47.9% of female players romanced Thane (3rd place after Kaidan and Garrus)
-- 10.9% of male players romanced Thane (the smallest save for Jacob & Steve)

Compare this to a few other LIs:

--  7.2% of players romanced Jacob (5.0% of males, 9.7% of females)
-- 32.6% of players romanced Miranda (46.6% of males, 16.8% of females)
-- 24.4% of players romanced Jack (28.2% of males, 20.1% of females)
-- 39.0% of players romanced Kaidan (18.4% of males, 63.4% of females)

What you can see from these data is that Thane is much more akin to Miranda, than Jacob. In addition, for the female playerbase, Thane is Miranda, essentially.

This is not a 'small' fanbase of players who romanced him, especially when you consider the millions of players out there. Unless you also want to refer to Miranda's fanbase as 'small', as well (which at least I wouldn't consider accurate).

Every ME1 LI (I include Garrus and Tali in this category as they were introduced in ME1) beats any ME2 LI in the percentage of players who romanced them, with the exception of Ashley, who falls between Miranda and Thane in our dataset (31.7% of players; 45.3% male, 16.1% female). This makes sense, as the ME1 characters were introduced to the series first.

Modifié par giftfish, 08 mars 2013 - 09:38 .

[Thrazesul]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Let's say that in the dlc thane lived, and that setting it pre-coup was not to get content with thane in it, but kirahee. And that in order to kirahee's content, you had to play the game again, from start all the way to the mid-tuchanka arc, stop, go to the citadel, get kirahee's added content(which would amount to 2 scenes at most and not the party) than zoom back to tuchanka, finish the arc, head back, do the coup, have kirahee die, and only than get to the citadel mission, have all the characters do the single player content, than go all the way through the whole game in order to get all the squadmates, and make trips back and forth to the citadel to see their new content.

I would. But then I replayed ME1 and ME2 A LOT of times, so one more in ME3 if it was worth it wouldn't be an issue to me.

[SilentK]

I remember reading about that survey earlier when it was being done. I can understand that a lot of work went into it, and I think that it is great when people devote time and energy to games. However I cannot say that those numbers are representative of all the people who play Mass Effect. Almost 50% female gamers in your survey does not equate to half the gamers who play Mass Effect being female even if that would be all kinds of awesome.

Perhaps your numbers are correct, perhaps they are not. I have no way of verifying it.

[Eliza]

Elana.S wrote...

I have extremely mixed emotions on the Thane content of this DLC... although as I mentioned before, goddamn Kaidan blocked me from seeing a third of it

Wait (I didn't play the dlc until now) ... Kaidan is blocking some parts of the Thane content? Oh no! I don't know if my  FemShep had this stupid conversation with him at the Apollo's (too long ago since I played this Shep). Is there a possibility to check whether Kaidan is 'activated' or not - and can I change this? Maybe with a savegame editor? Or maybe I can get a savegame somewhere without Kaidan?