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[jtav]

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

Nope. And the attitude of his fans managed to completely turn me off him.

[TheProtheans]

I like Thane, well I just found out I did after seeing a post from mine on the romance DLC thread of way back.
He deserves something more, he dies around the time it starts so maybe he will feature in it.
Move his bed to the Shepard's apartment and have crunches for him so he can walk around the Casino and everywhere.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 24 février 2013 - 12:02 .

[Roxy]

Sparky28 wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

I certainly didn't expect his total change of character. In ME3, he's back at his pre-romance view of life.
Besides, his fate was not set in stone since the beginning and Bioware gave us many indications for a cure - or at least a prolongation of his life. So, nope, there was hope.

^^^^^^

+1


You beat me to the punch Sparky!

[cogsandcurls]

jtav wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

Nope. And the attitude of his fans managed to completely turn me off him.

Nope, you're not the only one! Apart from anything else my first ME2 run was maybe two weeks before ME3 came out, so I knew from word of mouth via the leaked script that he would definitely die midway through ME3. I think that I'd found that out before I even started ME2, actually. Romanced him anyway since some of Bioware's romances that ended tragically have been the best/most emotionally engaging for me anyway, possibly because of the tragedy.

All I wanted is that it was executed well (no pun intended), which IMHO it wasn't.

[JECW]

jtav wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

Nope. And the attitude of his fans managed to completely turn me off him.

What attitude are you talking about?
As we have explained before it's not that he died. It's the way his romance was treated. We have said this over and over again yet none of you seem to get it. Maybe if any of you bothered to do the romance you would understand why we are so upset. Again it isn't the fact that he died. His romance was treated terrrible in ME3.


I'm sure if it was Miranda who was treated so badly you would be the first one complaining.

Modifié par JECW, 23 février 2013 - 08:57 .

[Thrazesul]

Thane's death and his personality change between ME2 and ME3 are two separate things and "complaints".

All I wanted was for my favorite character to be IN character! (when romanced) Obviously that's too much to ask for.

And Thane is hardly the only character who's personality they butchered.

[Vlk3]

jtav wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

Nope. And the attitude of his fans managed to completely turn me off him.

What attitude? We weren't ones who were saying "deal with it" and "you knew he was dying, you got what you deserved" to other fanbases.

To me, it was logical that Thane would get cured in ME3. First thing I knew of this game was that Shepard, the main hero is resurrected with Lazarus Project. And when I learned a bit about Shepard when I started the game, I knew it isn't a person who just gives up when someone says something is impossible. There were available treatments for Thane and hanar were working on a  cure,  it's enough of a reason to believe that he was not doomed. I expected a cure in his loyalty mission at first.

As a fanbase we were often ignored or insulted by other people, it's time to  be rewarded instead of being humiliated.
If BioWare decided to kill Thane anyway, it would be just childish and cruel. Throughout all this months we've shown enough reasons, why there should be an option. In a fan-service DLC we shouldn't be excluded.

[coldwetn0se]

Never expected him to "only" die. Such a HUGE fan of choice, when it comes to RP elements. In both DAO and DA2 (and hell, even once in ME1 with a romanced Kaidan - minus sex scene - left on Virmire), I have played the tragic love story, but also the "complicated", bittersweet, and happily-ever-after.

And YES, I really went into me3 believing I would have options, and that Thane's romance would be just as fulfilling as my previous romance arcs have been in other BW titles. I never thought once, that his character would be return to his unromanced state, that Shepard would say things during their pitifully short dialogue that made we want to stuff a sock down her gullet, and that he would commit a unique brand of 'hari-kari' on the blade of Kai Blah. Certainly didn't believe my choice in LI would actually be negated.

As for wishing him to live till the end of the trilogy (at least as an option); hold ZERO shame in that. I didn't think his fate was carved in stone. So many ways this could have been handled, from the simple (just don't make him worse, and keep with the timeline of his illness), to something more complex (having a mission dealing with the Hanar cure for all drell, akin to the Genophage resolution, and the Quarian's being made stronger through Geth aid). And plenty of ideas in between. But alas, that isn't what happened.

As for this DLC.......we shall see, what we see.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 23 février 2013 - 09:02 .

[john-in-france]

I did expect Thane to die...of Keprals (or get the cure/lung transplant mentioned in ME2 depending on romance or side mission).

I think the space ninja aka death by Kai Leng, was unnecessary.
More to the point, our decisions in past games are meant to have consequences. I saved Kirrahe twice ME and ME3, and he still didn't become the default character for the fight, though he takes on KL if Thane is not present. The logic in this still eludes me.

[RGC_Ines]

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

No You aren't the only one...I was fully prepared for this but I wasn't prepared for others things. I wasn't prepared to be forced to care about ex-LI, Kaidan ( ens of mission at the Mars), I wasn't prepared for pathetic intimate scene, for poorly done dialog in Huerta once again full of Kaidan, lack of emotions from Shepard when her LI is badly wounded, and definetly Shepard's crew members amnesia after Thane died. Also I never expect that Thane's writer will forgot that he is LI. And to be honest I wasn't prepared for lack of empathy from others players

[mnomaha]

The the others said...it wasn't that he died, it was *how* he died, the aftermath and all the crappy writing in between.

[john-in-france]

RGC_Ines wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

So... Am I the only one who romanced Thane fully expecting him to die in ME3...?

No You aren't the only one...I was fully prepared for this but I wasn't prepared for others things. I wasn't prepared to be forced to care about ex-LI, Kaidan ( ens of mission at the Mars), I wasn't prepared for pathetic intimate scene, for poorly done dialog in Huerta once again full of Kaidan, lack of emotions from Shepard when her LI is badly wounded, and definetly Shepard's crew members amnesia after Thane died. Also I never expect that Thane's writer will forgot that he is LI. And to be honest I wasn't prepared for lack of empathy from others players

So true that it is painful...

Rushes back to the Citadel to get Thane...only to say: I'm here for Ashley/Kaidan....ickkkk. Then it went further downhill.

However...maybe that was how it was meant to play out for non-romanced Thane. The Citadel DLC gives us the hope of real closure and perhaps some retcon lines.

Let's hope that Bioware was listening.

[Hisilome]

I came in here to put my two sents in, but fellow fans have already said pretty much what I was going to write!

I liked Thane since ME2, my main female Shepard romanced him; I expected a well-written romance in ME3; what I got instead was so badly-written and executed, I have trouble wrapping my mind around the fact those who wrote it are professional writers-there're fanfiction writers out there who could have written it better in a heartbeat, and the fanbase itself came up with much better scenarios, as well.

NOT based on wishful thinking and on wanting everything to turn out roses,mind you;if Thane has to die regardless, so be it, it'll hurt, of course, but we can live with it. We really can; but it'd be nice to have a choice and an option to save him, if we can, and it'd be really nice for our romanced Shepards to be IN character for it all!

I won't even get started on the lame way that he was killed...most badly-written, badly orchestrated moment in the game, even worse than the endings!!

Modifié par Hisilome, 23 février 2013 - 10:20 .

[john-in-france]

To try to avoid thread lockdown in the future:

Please do not mention Bioware writers by name, do not make it personal. We are all adult enough (I hope) to agree that we can dislike X, Y or Z of the plotline...or even all of it, and talk about it. Just don't give the mods reason to shut us down.

We need to move towards what may be in the new DLC, and if it isn't then we can write it ourselves on Works or FanFiction Net or DeviantArt.

Let Bioware see that we still care about Thanes story arc, and are trusting them to do the right thing.

[Sable Rhapsody]

john-in-france wrote...
To try to avoid thread lockdown in the future:

Please do not mention Bioware writers by name, do not make it personal. We are all adult enough (I hope) to agree that we can dislike X, Y or Z of the plotline...or even all of it, and talk about it. Just don't give the mods reason to shut us down.

Seconded, let's keep things civil.  Criticism of the game and its portrayal of Thane is one thing, accusations directed toward the dev team are another thing entirely.

I'd like to add that if you didn't romance or befriend Thane in ME2, the ME3 story arc fits just fine.  The incongruity comes in if you made that attempt to reach out to him, and all that character development comes undone in ME3.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 23 février 2013 - 11:09 .

[RShara]

Thane fan here. ME3 really upset me, because of the total reversal of character themes and the forced actions in certain areas. Thane and Jacob in particular are so out of character that I still rage about it now. If Thane had died in a way that made sense, I would have been sad (and probably still angry) but not nearly as bitter and upset as I am now.

All I want is something that is in character and makes sense for Thane, not just a single conversation and a make out session.

They just were soooo cheap in his storyline that I just can't think of Bioware as the same company that I used to love.

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

Thane fan here. ME3 really upset me, because of the total reversal of character themes and the forced actions in certain areas. Thane and Jacob in particular are so out of character that I still rage about it now. If Thane had died in a way that made sense, I would have been sad (and probably still angry) but not nearly as bitter and upset as I am now.

All I want is something that is in character and makes sense for Thane, not just a single conversation and a make out session.

They just were soooo cheap in his storyline that I just can't think of Bioware as the same company that I used to love.

Exactly.
I think this is how most of us feel. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to undersand this.

[Vlk3]

This is the conversation on twitter that worries me, it definitely looks like there will be something about Thane, but without a chance of saving him.

Jenlocks: You're getting my hopes up -Thane was an amazing character&needed a story to fit that.
Jessica Merizzan: @Emeraldfern1 @mnomaha @JECW77 I don't want to dash or encourage hopes. That's why I really can't say anything at all :c

https://twitter.com/...08255882563584' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'> https://twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/304708255882563584

[Vlk3]

JECW wrote...

RShara wrote...

Thane fan here. ME3 really upset me, because of the total reversal of character themes and the forced actions in certain areas. Thane and Jacob in particular are so out of character that I still rage about it now. If Thane had died in a way that made sense, I would have been sad (and probably still angry) but not nearly as bitter and upset as I am now.

All I want is something that is in character and makes sense for Thane, not just a single conversation and a make out session.

They just were soooo cheap in his storyline that I just can't think of Bioware as the same company that I used to love.

Exactly.
I think this is how most of us feel. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to undersand this.

Not me. I want to be able to save Thane and at least have some hope at the end that he will be cured one day. I don't want to see his death in game and I will never accept it. The way it was handled in game made things only worse, but this is not the way I want my Shepard's story to end. I have this picture in my head with her sitting alone after the Reaper War, thinking about all that she's lost, the horrible choice she had to make and about the life that was taken away from her. Galaxy is in a bad shape after all, it will take some time, before mass relays will be rebuild and before she would be able to revisit Rannoch or other planets. It's heartbreaking. My Shepard would not even be sure what really happened on the Citadel, was it a dream? Was she indoctrinated? Perhaps synthesis was a way to go after all? Shepard is  a strong person, but everyone has their limits. She needs Thane to keep her sane after all this. His death in addition to all that is too much.

[crimzontearz]

OK so......

just out of masochistic curiosity WHY exactly should people who so desire actually SAVE Thane? given the right condition like for brokering the get/quarian peace why not? really I am baffled at why some people would be opposed

[jtav]

Because then any other choice becomes suboptimal, just like any choice besides peace is suboptimal. Thane is "the dying assassin" just like Miranda is "the genetically engineered Cerberus officer." His illness instigates his character arc. No Kepral's, no desire to atone, no urgency to reconnect with Kolyat. Part of his initial appeal for me was that he was dying and that this would be a tragic romance. I'm disabled. No cure available or on the horizon. I've lost family to painful and frankly mystifying diseases that I never heard of before they were diagnosed. Again, no cure. It was incredibly valuable to me to have a story about making the most of the time you have left. If a cure is the only happy ending, then what chance those of us who won't get a cure just in time have?

[JECW]

Vlk3 wrote...

JECW wrote...

RShara wrote...

Thane fan here. ME3 really upset me, because of the total reversal of character themes and the forced actions in certain areas. Thane and Jacob in particular are so out of character that I still rage about it now. If Thane had died in a way that made sense, I would have been sad (and probably still angry) but not nearly as bitter and upset as I am now.

All I want is something that is in character and makes sense for Thane, not just a single conversation and a make out session.

They just were soooo cheap in his storyline that I just can't think of Bioware as the same company that I used to love.

Exactly.
I think this is how most of us feel. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to undersand this.

Not me. I want to be able to save Thane and at least have some hope at the end that he will be cured one day. I don't want to see his death in game and I will never accept it. The way it was handled in game made things only worse, but this is not the way I want my Shepard's story to end. I have this picture in my head with her sitting alone after the Reaper War, thinking about all that she's lost, the horrible choice she had to make and about the life that was taken away from her. Galaxy is in a bad shape after all, it will take some time, before mass relays will be rebuild and before she would be able to revisit Rannoch or other planets. It's heartbreaking. My Shepard would not even be sure what really happened on the Citadel, was it a dream? Was she indoctrinated? Perhaps synthesis was a way to go after all? Shepard is  a strong person, but everyone has their limits. She needs Thane to keep her sane after all this. His death in addition to all that is too much.

She said if he had to die it might have been a little bit easier to handle if the rest of his romance had been handled well. I think most Thane fans wanted to be able to save him since ME2.

Modifié par JECW, 24 février 2013 - 12:34 .

[RShara]

^ yes

I would prefer to be able to save Thane, given the right actions/choices/conditions. But if he had to die, if he had died in a meaningful, unique, in-character, sensible way, it wouldn't have been so bad. And if there had been decent interaction before-hand.

[crimzontearz]

jtav wrote...

Because then any other choice becomes suboptimal, just like any choice besides peace is suboptimal. Thane is "the dying assassin" just like Miranda is "the genetically engineered Cerberus officer." His illness instigates his character arc. No Kepral's, no desire to atone, no urgency to reconnect with Kolyat. Part of his initial appeal for me was that he was dying and that this would be a tragic romance. I'm disabled. No cure available or on the horizon. I've lost family to painful and frankly mystifying diseases that I never heard of before they were diagnosed. Again, no cure. It was incredibly valuable to me to have a story about making the most of the time you have left. If a cure is the only happy ending, then what chance those of us who won't get a cure just in time have?

incorrect, I know people who PURPOSELY kill the Quarians even if they can achieve peace (or the geth) and for them THAT is the optimal solution

wanna try again?

this is as idiotic as people who do not want a happier ending g as an OPTION even based on a single previous line of dialogue (to remove it from an in game decision) because it would diminish their sadder, apparently preferred, option


I call that closet hypocrisy

[coldwetn0se]

You assume that cure is the only option. His story arc in me3 alone, could have followed something akin to Miranda's (her death being eminent if you don't complete certain tasks, or certain criteria has not been met). His Kepral's didn't need to be cured for him to live. Just avoiding dying prematurely, for example. The original time line per his words in ME2, " I should be fine for the next eight to 12 months." The key word here is "Fine". Not "Dead". This should have allowed for him to "potentially" survive till the end of the trilogy. His story involvement then, could have been centered around, well....anything. And his survivability then could have been based on certain criteria (again, similar to Miranda, Samara, Tali.....).

As for Kepral's Syndrome. Nothing strange whatsoever about the idea of having it cured. No stranger than curing the Genophage, or getting the Quarian's their homeworld back. Kepral's is not a "Thane" disease, but instead is the leading cause of death for drell on Kahje. Some may have only associated Thane with "dying assassin", but thanks to this being a single player RPG, other could view him in other terms as well; "drell, widower, father, friend, lover, companion, squadmate, noble, intriguing, mesmerizing........." Would assassin and dying still be listed, yes. But it is hardly the end all be all for some, and being the type of game this is.....that is all good. Choose for yourself, and I will choose for myself.