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[ZLurps]

Not my place to tell what people should do shouldn't do.

But I think people who have started making mods might be the most fortunate ones.

[McFlurry598]

Biotic Sage wrote...

"Let it go" is a great mantra concerning both fiction and real life. It's the path to serenity and happiness.

[Jenonax]

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

Oh I have a sneaking suspicion that after the DLC hits it's going to get a whole lot worse.

After this the game will be complete. After this there will be no more falling back on 'maybe they'll fix it in DLC' whatever problems people have with the ending will either be sorted or not.

I predict a resurgence of hate after the DLC hits. I mat join in I may not. Depends on what this conspiracy is.

You see i think (hope) the opposite will happen. Once this DLC hits, that'll be it. Book closed essentially. People will moan still yeah, but i think it will taper off with the knowledge that nothing else will happen whatsoever with regards to ME3 or the trilogy as a whole.

Oh I don't think it'll be permenant.  I think we'll have a couple of weeks of blinding hate and then this forum will be dead.  Along with a good chunk of Bioware's core fanbase I suspect but thats just my speculation.

[simonrana]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

Though I agree that it's time we stopped talking about it, saying it at the same time as you show your failure to understand people's issue with it (your observations are wrong, Shepard dying is not the main reason by most people hate it) undermines your point somewhat.

So let me back it up as an ending hater. Yes it sucked, but we've talked about it to death now and it's clear that it's not going to be changed. Time to stop talking about it folks!

Modifié par simonrana, 22 février 2013 - 11:54 .

[Toolbox 24]

Indy_S wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Complaints and praise are 2 sides of the same coin, its just on this forum there is an especially quiet praise section and an especially noisy complaint section. Both have their place for sure, but it's been almost a year since the game came out, the last DLC has been announced, now is time for closure, acceptance (whether you like it or not) and moving on.

In any case, complaining is just whining because you didn't get what you want - a lot of it is just that, a lot of it is just a big load of old pony that at first i must admit i was fully a part of! however with the introduction of EC, Leviathan and even Omega ME3 went from being an amazing game with it's flaws (no game is without flaws) and a pretty sh!t ending, to an amazing game with it's flaws, a really well done ending - not perfect by any means, however it was a nigh on impossible task to make the endings feel perfect for everyone - they are however as near as dammit for me.

Isn't anybody else now bored and sick to the back teeth of coming on here and seeing "moan moan moan endings." "waa waa waa red/blue/green waa waa"? If i am on my own in this i'd be incredibly surprised!

Dismissing all complaints as 'just whining' is naive. Most complaints are made to improve, either the product in question or its subsequent ones. If something is not to a person's liking, they are entitled to speak about it. When two people with different or similar ideas meet, they discuss it. These discussions ideally lead to understanding. Dismissing complaints is refusing understanding. And if you do not seek to understand or to provide understanding, involving yourself in the discussion is not constructive.

That's all well and good in theory and i've done that on my previous threads to an extent, but the problem is that on forums like this most people think that their opinion is the only one that matters and makes sense. All i'm trying to say, is the following: It's been a year now, please can people stop complaining about the game/endings, if it bothers you that much go and play something else like Solitaire. BioWare have now made it clear that Citadel is the final DLC of ME3, anymore complaining is just flogging a dead horse (or in the UK at the moment, that could be like flogging a frozen lasagne or brozen burgers!!!)

[Dr_Extrem]

complaining about complaining .. this is very productive..

dont worry .. the cod-crowd will replace us soon. good luck with them.

[moater boat]

And let Bioware off the hook? I don't think so. I will take every opportunity to remind them of their abysmal failure until I get sick of doing so.

[Indy_S]

Toolbox 24 wrote...

That's all well and good in theory and i've done that on my previous threads to an extent, but the problem is that on forums like this most people think that their opinion is the only one that matters and makes sense. All i'm trying to say, is the following: It's been a year now, please can people stop complaining about the game/endings, if it bothers you that much go and play something else like Solitaire. BioWare have now made it clear that Citadel is the final DLC of ME3, anymore complaining is just flogging a dead horse (or in the UK at the moment, that could be like flogging a frozen lasagne or brozen burgers!!!)

Some would say that with a game's release, what's done is done. Why bother complaining about a game if it's not going to change? It'd just be flogging a dead horse. People complained about probing in ME2, I guess that didn't amount to anything because the game was done. No DLC changed it. Some still complain about it, adding it as an example to other arguments. What you are now inferring is that complaining about the ending is the same as demanding a new one. This is not true. There doesn't have to be a DLC to change anything. Complaints are still valid.

[MrGMM88]

ME3 was a broken product and Bioware never shown any regret for it instead they went passive aggressive on their customers.

The moment you start letting companies off the hock for doing these things you give them a free pass. A free pass to do whatever they want, how they want.

No need to deliver the full game on release when the last third can be sold as DLC.
No need for good writing when fans will attack anyone who dares to question the devs.
No need to keep pre production promises or stick to what you advertise

DA2, SWTOR, ME3 are what we get when we allow this to happen yet people still havent learned their lesson.

The ending was broken and flawed a year ago and it still is today, the fact that people still complain proofs that. A simple apology to the fans would have saved a lot of anger but thats not PR wants to do so we keep on pretending that its just those "entitled" gamers.

[Toolbox 24]

Indy_S wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

That's all well and good in theory and i've done that on my previous threads to an extent, but the problem is that on forums like this most people think that their opinion is the only one that matters and makes sense. All i'm trying to say, is the following: It's been a year now, please can people stop complaining about the game/endings, if it bothers you that much go and play something else like Solitaire. BioWare have now made it clear that Citadel is the final DLC of ME3, anymore complaining is just flogging a dead horse (or in the UK at the moment, that could be like flogging a frozen lasagne or brozen burgers!!!)

Some would say that with a game's release, what's done is done. Why bother complaining about a game if it's not going to change? It'd just be flogging a dead horse. People complained about probing in ME2, I guess that didn't amount to anything because the game was done. No DLC changed it. Some still complain about it, adding it as an example to other arguments. What you are now inferring is that complaining about the ending is the same as demanding a new one. This is not true. There doesn't have to be a DLC to change anything. Complaints are still valid.

Fair enough, if that's what you believe then crack on. If i really gave a sh!t i'd keep this up, enjoy your moaning.

[Indy_S]

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Fair enough, if that's what you believe then crack on. If i really gave a sh!t i'd keep this up, enjoy your moaning.

Thank you. I won't enjoy your dismissive attitude, though.

[Toolbox 24]

Indy_S wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Fair enough, if that's what you believe then crack on. If i really gave a sh!t i'd keep this up, enjoy your moaning.

Thank you. I won't enjoy your dismissive attitude, though.

lol, all i thought of then was:

"ME3 ending moaning? We have dismissed this claim."

Look, I'm not looking to start any crap, i apologise for being dismissive and abraisive. It's just that the constant stream of moaning gets on my ****** lol. i shouldn't take it out on you, your complaints are as valid as my praises. i think we as well as many others have to agree to disagree on many points of this game, ending or otherwise!

 make love...not war. (even with the Reapers...get em up the tentacle hole)

[shodiswe]

The EC made the end game better, least the catalyst part. But it's still not a very good endgame.

But ofcourse, I've let it go, I realize it won't be fixed, but letting it go isn't the same thing as saying it was a great ending or endgame. It was decent, but it would have required more, especialy from the London mission Priority earth. I do not approve of the halffinished feel of that mission, or the feeling that it was rushed and simplified due to memory budgets, time restraints or console limitations of this generation of consoles..

But I love the Mass effect universe and it's setting, and there was a lot of good craftmanship and writing in ME3 even if afew parts if it feel slightly short of achiving the same kind of excellence.

But as you said, letting go is the only thing one can do at some point, but I think it's equaly important that people tell the devs and writers what they think. Even if it's negative feedback (as opposed to roses and ovation) it might give them some additional insight into what people appreciate or what could make future products better.

Some parts were great and deserves due credit and people have said so, even very critical people have said that there are parts that they really love. I'm thinking those people wouldn't be here if there wasn't at least a few things that they loved about the game or the series or the Mass effect universe.

But what I'm not going to do is suddenly start telling people that the parts I dislike or feel could have been handled better are great. I'm not one of those people thinking there are currently massive plot holes in the game, but I think, like I said that things could have been handled better.
I know Bioware peopel have stated that peopel saying things are bad or could have been handeld better doesn't help them because they need to udnerstand how it was bad and most people arn't even sure what to say on that matter. I have in the past detailed my thoguhts on the issues several times. So it's out there.

It's a good game and a great series, one of favrites, still I don't think it hurts to tell the creators where I think they could have done it better. I think I've said what needed to be said, time to stop before I start repeating myself.

[Indy_S]

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Look, I'm not looking to start any crap, i apologise for being dismissive and abraisive. It's just that the constant stream of moaning gets on my ****** lol. i shouldn't take it out on you, your complaints are as valid as my praises. i think we as well as many others have to agree to disagree on many points of this game, ending or otherwise!

I agree completely. We will agree to disagree!

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

1. Don't tell me what to do.
2. The ending is still garbage even with the EC.

[Kesak12]

No

sincerely, Kesak11, Kesak12

[Uncle Jo]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 février 2013 - 01:11 .

[Dubozz]

Uncle Jo wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

[DDG4005]

I think people have a right to their opinions-much as I may disagree with them-but after a year I agree that's time to let this particular issue go.  As far the whole "it's BioWare's game, they can do whatever they want with" bit , I don't buy it.  Sure it 's their franchise but the games are products that were made for sale and as such that argument is little thin <rant off>.

That said, I have high hopes for the last singleplayer DLC and will continue to play the games for the forseeable future.

[C9316]

You're very ignorant if you honestly think the only reason people hate the ending is because shepard dies OP.

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's still garbage after EC.

[PinkysPain]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless.

Up to a point, the twitter where they asked whether the next game should be a sequel or a prequel did show there was a momentary crack in their self delusion ... they are peripherally aware of us. Of course that crack won't have lasted and they will have convinced themselves we all love prequels, but still it suggests that they are vulnerable to reason occasionally.

[Arbiter156]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dear OP,

No.

Sincerely,

Admiral "Still Butthurt" Cheez

PS: If you think folks are mad just because Shepard died, oooohhhh ho ho ho ho are you in for a treat....

+ 1

and QFT