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[Han Shot First]

Solmanian wrote...

I always found it funny that people think "destroy" is the "good" ending just because shepard can survive it. Wiping out trilions so you can survive? Yeah, very paragon...

You are making the assumption that most people chose Destroy because Shepard can survive it. In that I think you are wrong.

While no doubt some people metagame, a great many people (including myself) went into Destroy blind and not knowing that Shepard would survive. Also I think most people tend to choose Destroy not because Shepard survives, but because it is the only ending where Shepard actually accomplishes the mission he's had since Mass Effect 1.

As for the Geth, they're a horrifying example of collateral damage and not an example of genocide.

[Son-Gohan]

Indy_S wrote...

I can and do dislike the ending for reasons other than Shepard's death, which I saw as fitting. I dislike the narrative composition, the lead-up, the mis-handling of plot elements. I even dislike the rest of the game for one reason or another. I still desire constructive discussion with other fans and especially the developers. I don't dislike you because you like the ending.

This.

I totally dislike the ending. And that our decisions in the previous games don't matter at the end. And how the war assets were implemented in the game. And other things like the poor quest system. It doesn't mean that I hate BioWare or the ME series in general, but still, I was, am and will ever be disappointed about the current ending. I don't hate people who like the ending. But I can't change my mind either.

[shodiswe]

I'm done complaining excessively about the ending sicne I'm pretty sure the devs got the poin't about what people had issues with.

But that doesn't meen my "opinion" has changed, it just meen I'm not talking about it unless other people tell me everyone likes the endign now or that people have learned to accept the ending. Ok, kind of accept it, since it's pointless to bother myself with caring any more. But it wasn't as good as I'm sure the people at Bioware could have made it given proper time to finnish the half done job.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Uncle Jo wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

ME3 has the greatest ending EVAR! It delivered on all fronts! It was everything we were I was promised. It's in line with what we I got in ME1 and ME2 only better! Stop the whining. For me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fixed.

You know that was sarcasm right?

[SyK18]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

See, that's what I hate. People who say stuff like "Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted" . We were PROMISED an epic and complete story. We were PROMISED an ending that will take into account ALL our choices in the previous games. We were PROMISED an RPG game. We were PROMISED a galaxy full of adventure and amazing planets and species. 

Bioware gave everything thing "fans" wanted. They got their stupid romance dlc. We got to go to every main species home planets. We saw a female Krogan. Cured the genophange. Quickly resolved  the conflict with the Quarian and Geth. Got the Turians and Krogans and Salarians to work together. We got to meet a Prothean (had to pay extra). We went on Omega and saw a female Turian (had to pay extra). We got to meet Leviathans, the first species Reapers are based on (had to pay extra).  

I hope you see where I am going with this. "Fans" got everything they WANTED from Bioware and not what Bioware promised would be the most amazing ending to an already amazing sci fi experience.
So, no I will not let the endings go because it is the WORST ending to a game I have ever played and liked so much.

Call me whatever you like but if it was not for the many fans like me, nobody would not have even recieved the EC. 
BTW where in the **** is HARBINGER!!??

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...
 Also I think most people tend to choose Destroy not because Shepard survives, but because it is the only ending where Shepard actually accomplishes the mission he's had since Mass Effect 1. 

Is that because people think that Shep should just carry out his mission rather than thinking about it, or because this preserves the "theme" of the game or some such? I read a lot of posts that sound like it's the former, but the latter is much more defensible since the collateral damage, as you later mention, is real and significant.

[Dabrikishaw]

Outsider edge wrote...

The endings too Mass Effect 3 will haunt future Bioware products for years too come. It's just the way things stand now. Their PR people might not like it but it will be a recurring theme whenever a new product from Bioware will be revealed. Cause the Catalyst ending has shown Bioware is able too completely obliterate any goodwill a carefully constructed fantasy universe they created has garnered.

The risk is there this won't be an isolated incident so questions concerning future projects will always surface.

[F4H bandicoot]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10204263/1

I suggest you read this before calling people who dislike the ending whingers. If someone tells me something will be in the game, and then doesn't correct themselves, I expect that to be in the game.

[TMJfin]

If they haven't stoped after almost a year, I don't think it will stop anytime soon. I don't have a problem per se (or is it perse? Not sure, cause it means something quite differend in finnish ), but my problem is people who bring ending discussion in almost every single thread.

"Who was your favourite squad mate?" "No one cause ending sucks". "What did you ate for breakfast?" "Nothing cause of ending I can't even eat anymore! That how bad it is!"

I could continue this on and on but I think you get the idea. Some people are still raging how bad the new(er) Star Wars trilogy was, soooooo...

[Han Shot First]

AlanC9 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
 Also I think most people tend to choose Destroy not because Shepard survives, but because it is the only ending where Shepard actually accomplishes the mission he's had since Mass Effect 1. 

Is that because people think that Shep should just carry out his mission rather than thinking about it, or because this preserves the "theme" of the game or some such? I read a lot of posts that sound like it's the former, but the latter is much more defensible since the collateral damage, as you later mention, is real and significant.

For me it was about choosing what I think my Shepard would have done if he were a real person.

Of course as a gamer I know that Bioware isn't going to turn around and invalidate player choices by having the Reapers annihilate the galaxy in the aftermath of Control or Synthesis. But what I know, and what Shepard knows aren't the same thing. So the ending choice boiled down to asking whether Shepard would be willing to risk any outcome to the Reaper War where the Reaper Fleet is preserved intact, and still ruled over by some form of Catalyst, without the gift of clairvoyance. For me the answer was an emphatic no.

Thomas Paine has a great quote that I would apply to how I think my Shepard would have viewed the final decision. "If there be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

Without any foreknowledge I think an intact Reaper fleet poses too great of a threat to the continued existence of galactic civilization, for that outcome to be tolerated. As such from my Shepard's point of view I think the only choice that accomplished the mission of guaranteeing that galactic civilization would not be annihilated by the Reapers, was destroying them.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 février 2013 - 07:42 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dear OP,

No.

Sincerely,

Admiral "Still Butthurt" Cheez

PS: If you think folks are mad just because Shepard died, oooohhhh ho ho ho ho are you in for a treat....

+1000

Shotgun "Stull Butthurt" Julia

[Necrotron]

I like how free DLC being given out that did nothing to change any of issues many people complained about with the ending is always cited as a reason for said people to not longer have reason to be upset.  They gave you free DLC that did nothing you requested, so you should be happy!

Still, I agree the whole endless stream of hate back and forth from fans to Bioware, pro enders to anit enders, etc. etc. has gotten very tiresome, mostly because no one treats anyone with respect.

Modifié par Bathaius, 22 février 2013 - 07:50 .

[Uncle Jo]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

ME3 has the greatest ending EVAR! It delivered on all fronts! It was everything we were I was promised. It's in line with what we I got in ME1 and ME2 only better! Stop the whining. For me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fixed.

You know that was sarcasm right?

Nope. Noticed it just now after reading other posts from you. My bad.

[WYLDMAXX]

After finishing A:CM, I can now shift my dislike of the ME3 ending to the ending of Aliens: Colonial Marines.

[DetcelferVisionary]

WYLDMAXX wrote...

After finishing A:CM, I can now shift my dislike of the ME3 ending to the ending of Aliens: Colonial Marines.

LOL.  As much as that cracked me up - there is no comparison.   Apples to oranges.  

[crimzontearz]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

....high EMS destroy and technically control disagree with you there..... confirmed by more than one dev

also...you should stop assuming things, a lot of people are very upset about Bioware minimalist approach and the pre release lies

[DetcelferVisionary]

Uncle Jo wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

ME3 has the greatest ending EVAR! It delivered on all fronts! It was everything we were I was promised. It's in line with what we I got in ME1 and ME2 only better! Stop the whining. For me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fixed.

You know that was sarcasm right?

Nope. Noticed it just now after reading other posts from you. My bad.

I'm probably currently on Biowares "watch" list.

[Brug0r]

Nah, I will not let it go. Just like most Star Wars-fans won't let go on how horrible the prequel-trilogy is.
Mass Effect 3, generally, is a good game! Better than ME2? No. Better than ME? Nope. But still good. Sadly, the story goes from "pretty good" to " smelly horse-manure" just as you initiate the assault on TIM's  base. From there on the game is so poorly written... it's almost unbelievable. 
So when you play 2 games over 5 years and you await the third game with great anticipation, then of cause you don't want less than perfect and awesome. And that's something ME3 is not.I don't care if Shepard died or not (I actually expected him to die before starting ME3  ), I just wanted a great ending. A ending I would remember the rest of my life.
I didn't get that. So I'm bitter. Does it ruin my life? No, not at all. Does it ruin my Mass Effect-experience when I play one of the 3 games? Yes. And after Omega is clear that Bioware/EA is not interested in keeping the Mass Effect-franchise inside of the RPG-genre anymore. And that is truly the saddest part.

[SyK18]

Brug0r wrote...

Nah, I will not let it go. Just like most Star Wars-fans won't let go on how horrible the prequel-trilogy is.
Mass Effect 3, generally, is a good game! Better than ME2? No. Better than ME? Nope. But still good. Sadly, the story goes from "pretty good" to " smelly horse-manure" just as you initiate the assault on TIM's  base. From there on the game is so poorly written... it's almost unbelievable. 
So when you play 2 games over 5 years and you await the third game with great anticipation, then of cause you don't want less than perfect and awesome. And that's something ME3 is not.I don't care if Shepard died or not (I actually expected him to die before starting ME3  ), I just wanted a great ending. A ending I would remember the rest of my life.
I didn't get that. So I'm bitter. Does it ruin my life? No, not at all. Does it ruin my Mass Effect-experience when I play one of the 3 games? Yes. And after Omega is clear that Bioware/EA is not interested in keeping the Mass Effect-franchise inside of the RPG-genre anymore. And that is truly the saddest part.

We definately got an ending we will never forget. Just not in a good way.

[Brug0r]

SyK18 wrote...

Brug0r wrote...

Nah, I will not let it go. Just like most Star Wars-fans won't let go on how horrible the prequel-trilogy is.
Mass Effect 3, generally, is a good game! Better than ME2? No. Better than ME? Nope. But still good. Sadly, the story goes from "pretty good" to " smelly horse-manure" just as you initiate the assault on TIM's  base. From there on the game is so poorly written... it's almost unbelievable. 
So when you play 2 games over 5 years and you await the third game with great anticipation, then of cause you don't want less than perfect and awesome. And that's something ME3 is not.I don't care if Shepard died or not (I actually expected him to die before starting ME3  ), I just wanted a great ending. A ending I would remember the rest of my life.
I didn't get that. So I'm bitter. Does it ruin my life? No, not at all. Does it ruin my Mass Effect-experience when I play one of the 3 games? Yes. And after Omega is clear that Bioware/EA is not interested in keeping the Mass Effect-franchise inside of the RPG-genre anymore. And that is truly the saddest part.

We definately got an ending we will never forget. Just not in a good way.

You can say that 

PS. Cool avatar!

[clarkusdarkus]

Nope, I'll forever remind them of the ending, Shepard is like mario, snake, master chief, the character alone would sell games.

They chose to do what they did, and they had every right too, But that doesnt mean i'll forget how they treated the character or why get invested in a new protagonist when the last one got left lying on the floor...not to mention the catalyst coming from nowhere, why trust there writing and be interested in a story from them anymore.

The ending will taint the ME franchise...

[shatun]

Yeah, I was pissed about the endings as well, but then I took an arr   I let it go. In fact, I let all of the Bioware future games go as well. Be free, Dragon Age 3! You won't meet my whining, because we are never going to meet.

[10K]

SyK18 wrote...

See, that's what I hate. People who say stuff like "Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted" . We were PROMISED an epic and complete story. We were PROMISED an ending that will take into account ALL our choices in the previous games. We were PROMISED an RPG game. We were PROMISED a galaxy full of adventure and amazing planets and species. 

Bioware gave everything thing "fans" wanted. They got their stupid romance dlc. We got to go to every main species home planets. We saw a female Krogan. Cured the genophange. Quickly resolved  the conflict with the Quarian and Geth. Got the Turians and Krogans and Salarians to work together. We got to meet a Prothean (had to pay extra). We went on Omega and saw a female Turian (had to pay extra). We got to meet Leviathans, the first species Reapers are based on (had to pay extra).  

I hope you see where I am going with this. "Fans" got everything they WANTED from Bioware and not what Bioware promised would be the most amazing ending to an already amazing sci fi experience.
So, no I will not let the endings go because it is the WORST ending to a game I have ever played and liked so much.

Call me whatever you like but if it was not for the many fans like me, nobody would not have even recieved the EC. 
BTW where in the **** is HARBINGER!!??

You speak as if they wrote everything in a contract and signed for it. Well it wasn't like that, promises are broken when working on a set deadline. We have no idea what was going on at BW when they were developing ME3. Heck, you can tell that the game was rushed once you get to Thessia. At the end of the day all this is business, promises mean nothing when profit can be effected. Truthly BW has no obligation towards us, there only obligations are to their employer. Fans come and go. And as you said fans gotten what they wanted, so what's the problem? Shouldn't they make content that the fans want?

But this entire thing is obviously about the endings, and to that I say what can you do about it? It's they're game. At the end of the day they are the ones who are making the stuff we fans love. Like it or not, what they say goes.

Modifié par mosesarose, 22 février 2013 - 09:12 .