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[jamesp81]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

The endings were not good before EC, and they weren't good after.  More of something not good doesn't magically make it good.

[Unschuld]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

I can leave free flaming bags of feces on people's doorstep, but I don't think "Hey, it's free. You should enjoy it" is going to cut it.

Obviously that's a bit of an extreme analogy, but it sums up my feelings. That's not to say I don't appreciate the effort, oh no. It took the talents and time of multiple artists to make the EC, and I can appreciate the effort. However the endings are still an illogical mess, a mass of narratively incohesive suck. But now they're prettier and more emotional. I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

When a child spends several hours drawing you a "firetruck", but when you look down at the sheet of paper and see a mass of purple squiggles and green circles, you can tell them that you love the picture and that they made a great effort. Maybe you give them some friendly pointers about most firetrucks being red and box-shaped. Children are sensitive, and you don't want to be an anus. They will learn, but for now they're new to things and the effort counts

Bioware is not a child. Bioware is a collection of adults who make up a corporation. They are adults, and thus they should expect to receive criticism when they screw up. They're adults, so when they color outside of the lines and make a horrendous abomination, they should buck up and expect someone to hurt their feelings. When a writer or an artist spends years crafting something, but makes a grave error somewhere along the way, I can appreciate the effort, but I'm not going to pat them on the back. If you reward someone for screwing something up, they will keep doing it. Over and over again. Quality will diminish and fail. That woman who tried to restore this painting:


put some effort into it, but she screwed it up. Hard. Thank you for your time and effort, Miss, but it's all terribly horribly wrong and we won't require your services anymore. Thank you, good day.

The same could be said for Bioware, or anyone else. For the most part, the game was enjoyable, and most of the story was consistent enough to make sense. It's not ALL bad, in fact a lot of it was good... but not certain parts, and those bad parts stain the rest of it. A lot of effort was put into the EC, and I can respect that, but it's still terribly wrong. It flies completely in the face of the narrative, and whether they intended it to be something avant garde or not doesn't matter, because it's thematically and logically broken. Same principals also apply elsewhere in the game, like Tali's picture. Excellent idea, terrible execution. Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore obvious grievances simply because an effort was made. To be expected to do so is an insult to my intelligence.

And no, thinking it's about Shepard dying (something I myself expected to happen long before ME3) is a rush to judgement.

None of this is intended as a whining, meaningless beat-down either. It's criticism, and there is a difference. It's there so that the next time around they can avoid the pot holes they created for themselves. So far, their PR's choice of words regarding their mistakes has been poor, making them seem ignorant to their obvious mistakes or clouded by hubris. So, we will continue to criticize, and maybe something will get through. In doing so, they will *hopefully* make a better product next time. And maybe some  of the writers will learn that the rough draft of a script written the day before it's due is not a final product.

[jamesp81]

Han Shot First wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I always found it funny that people think "destroy" is the "good" ending just because shepard can survive it. Wiping out trilions so you can survive? Yeah, very paragon...

You are making the assumption that most people chose Destroy because Shepard can survive it. In that I think you are wrong.

While no doubt some people metagame, a great many people (including myself) went into Destroy blind and not knowing that Shepard would survive. Also I think most people tend to choose Destroy not because Shepard survives, but because it is the only ending where Shepard actually accomplishes the mission he's had since Mass Effect 1.

As for the Geth, they're a horrifying example of collateral damage and not an example of genocide.

I also viewed Destroy as the best ending.

Control was what the megalomaniac TIM wanted, and I'm not him.  Choosing Control simply perpetuates the Catalyst's idea that he knew better than everyone else.  Well screw him and the horse he road in on.  The only place I want the Catalyst to be peddling his non-sense is in Hell with all his Reaper buddies.

Synthesis is an abomination.  We spent the entire series fighting against synthesized beings who were part tech and part organic.  Mordin himself made the point in ME2 when talking about the Collectors.  "No soul, replaced by tech."  There was no way I was ever going to choose that.

Many players, myself included, determined that losing the Geth was one last bitter shedding of blood that had to happen to destroy the most nightmarish, hell-spawned enemy the galaxy had ever seen.  Shepard surviving was a nice bonus and helps make me feel that Destroy is the least crappy of the endings, but even without Shepard surviving, I still would've chosen it.

[FlamingBoy]

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

After 1 year complete misunderstanding of why people hated the ending...

its becoming painful

[clarkusdarkus]

Bioware would love nothing more than the ending to be swept under the carpet, But they are the ones burying there heads in the sand regarding the ending, There smug arrogant PR just fuels the flames of disgruntled fans, They want drones to buy there dlc and not question them, its the EA way... Look what the citadel dlc is, A new enemy from nowhere like the catalyst, Added floors to the citadel, and squadmate interaction of which they were too busy beforehand now all of a sudden they have spare time.....its a joke and people gobble it up like bioware are doing them the favor...

Your buying added floors!!!!

[LordJeyl]

"Let the ending go"

I let Mass Effect go. Does that count?

[Applepie_Svk]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10204263/1

I suggest you read this before calling people who dislike the ending whingers. If someone tells me something will be in the game, and then doesn't correct themselves, I expect that to be in the game.

Big brother is watching you... see that last post in your link 

[jamesp81]

By the way, I am going to go on record as being disappointed there was not a "happy" ending included. Such an outcome was doable in ME2 if you did the right things, and it was a thousand metric tons of awesome when I accomplished it. The same should've been one of the possible outcomes in ME3.

[Eterna]

Unschuld wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

 People need to stop posting about the ending, it's over. Bioware gave us a FREE EC. Sure the ending was garbage before the EC. All these polls about it are pointless. Now you probably thinking, "Oh, this idiot isn't a true fan, he hasn't played all the mass effects or he hasn't played them long enough." I have in fact I preorderd every single one and have the trilogy. The fact that everyone hates the ending because Shepard dies is ridiculous, I know there is other reasons why people hate it, but, this seems to be the main reason(in my observations). I understand it is not *complete* either. Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted. It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it. I hate the ending, but I also enjoy it and like it as well but I've found closure with it and I'm definitely getting the next mass effect.

I can leave free flaming bags of feces on people's doorstep, but I don't think "Hey, it's free. You should enjoy it" is going to cut it.

Obviously that's a bit of an extreme analogy, but it sums up my feelings. That's not to say I don't appreciate the effort, oh no. It took the talents and time of multiple artists to make the EC, and I can appreciate the effort. However the endings are still an illogical mess, a mass of narratively incohesive suck. But now they're prettier and more emotional. I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

When a child spends several hours drawing you a "firetruck", but when you look down at the sheet of paper and see a mass of purple squiggles and green circles, you can tell them that you love the picture and that they made a great effort. Maybe you give them some friendly pointers about most firetrucks being red and box-shaped. Children are sensitive, and you don't want to be an anus. They will learn, but for now they're new to things and the effort counts

Bioware is not a child. Bioware is a collection of adults who make up a corporation. They are adults, and thus they should expect to receive criticism when they screw up. They're adults, so when they color outside of the lines and make a horrendous abomination, they should buck up and expect someone to hurt their feelings. When a writer or an artist spends years crafting something, but makes a grave error somewhere along the way, I can appreciate the effort, but I'm not going to pat them on the back. If you reward someone for screwing something up, they will keep doing it. Over and over again. Quality will diminish and fail. That woman who tried to restore this painting:


put some effort into it, but she screwed it up. Hard. Thank you for your time and effort, Miss, but it's all terribly horribly wrong and we won't require your services anymore. Thank you, good day.

The same could be said for Bioware, or anyone else. For the most part, the game was enjoyable, and most of the story was consistent enough to make sense. It's not ALL bad, in fact a lot of it was good... but not certain parts, and those bad parts stain the rest of it. A lot of effort was put into the EC, and I can respect that, but it's still terribly wrong. It flies completely in the face of the narrative, and whether they intended it to be something avant garde or not doesn't matter, because it's thematically and logically broken. Same principals also apply elsewhere in the game, like Tali's picture. Excellent idea, terrible execution. Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore obvious grievances simply because an effort was made. To be expected to do so is an insult to my intelligence.

And no, thinking it's about Shepard dying (something I myself expected to happen long before ME3) is a rush to judgement.

None of this is intended as a whining, meaningless beat-down either. It's criticism, and there is a difference. It's there so that the next time around they can avoid the pot holes they created for themselves. So far, their PR's choice of words regarding their mistakes has been poor, making them seem ignorant to their obvious mistakes or clouded by hubris. So, we will continue to criticize, and maybe something will get through. In doing so, they will *hopefully* make a better product next time. And maybe some  of the writers will learn that the rough draft of a script written the day before it's due is not a final product.

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

[SyK18]

mosesarose wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

See, that's what I hate. People who say stuff like "Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted" . We were PROMISED an epic and complete story. We were PROMISED an ending that will take into account ALL our choices in the previous games. We were PROMISED an RPG game. We were PROMISED a galaxy full of adventure and amazing planets and species. 

Bioware gave everything thing "fans" wanted. They got their stupid romance dlc. We got to go to every main species home planets. We saw a female Krogan. Cured the genophange. Quickly resolved  the conflict with the Quarian and Geth. Got the Turians and Krogans and Salarians to work together. We got to meet a Prothean (had to pay extra). We went on Omega and saw a female Turian (had to pay extra). We got to meet Leviathans, the first species Reapers are based on (had to pay extra).  

I hope you see where I am going with this. "Fans" got everything they WANTED from Bioware and not what Bioware promised would be the most amazing ending to an already amazing sci fi experience.
So, no I will not let the endings go because it is the WORST ending to a game I have ever played and liked so much.

Call me whatever you like but if it was not for the many fans like me, nobody would not have even recieved the EC. 
BTW where in the **** is HARBINGER!!??

You speak as if they wrote everything in a contract and signed for it. Well it wasn't like that, promises are broken when working on a set deadline. We have no idea what was going on at BW when they were developing ME3. Heck, you can tell that the game was rushed once you get to Thessia. At the end of the day all this is business, promises mean nothing when profit can be effected. Truthly BW has no obligation towards us, there only obligations are to their employer. Fans come and go. And as you said fans gotten what they wanted, so what's the problem? Shouldn't they make content that the fans want?

But this entire thing is obviously about the endings, and to that I say what can you do about it? It's they're game. At the end of the day they are the ones who are making the stuff we fans love. Like it or not, what they say goes.

Tha'ts the problem I'm trying to address. "Fans" got what they wanted, but what they wanted was not what Bioware intended to deliver, and before you say how do i know what Bioware intended, ME1. ME1 was an artistic vision of Bioware and I loved it and so did many gamers. They fixed minute problems in ME2 and made it an amazing adventure. But just to make "fans" happy they gave all the romance bull****, including homosexual relations in ME 3 and sacrificed a story that could have been seamless if they did not focus on those ridiculous romance aspects of the game. Maybe they would have reached the deadline if they did not have to worry about making everyone who wants romance happy. The romance should be a backdrop, if it happens it happens, if not then not. That should be a priority of an action RPG shooter.

Your right, we have no clue, and will never know, what was going on at Bioware and EA. EA was probably just thinking about shareholders and earnings and rushed Bioware. They did not sign a contract with us, correct, and promises are broken. 

All i do know, is that Mass Effect is going to have a stink lingering to it for years to come and that will hinder me and other ME fans from spending any money on any future title they come out with. So, to all the "fans" sticking with Bioware i truly hope you enjoy your space soap operas, since that's where your priorities are, for i would like an actual Action RPG sci fi video game with an engaging story and vast exploration with none to minute emphasis on romance. 

[Ryoten]

I'll let the ending go. What i wont let go of is BioWares asinine, passive-aggressive, and down right lieing attitude towards its player base.

[Eterna]

Ryoten wrote...

I'll let the ending go. What i wont let go of is BioWares asinine, passive-aggressive, and down right lieing attitude towards its player base.

lol

[Applepie_Svk]

jamesp81 wrote...

By the way, I am going to go on record as being disappointed there was not a "happy" ending included. Such an outcome was doable in ME2 if you did the right things, and it was a thousand metric tons of awesome when I accomplished it. The same should've been one of the possible outcomes in ME3.

That someone wants a  happy ending it´s so ridiculous and stupid that it becomes a cliché to justify pressence of those so called "haters or vocal minority" on a public and BSN.  I´ve enjoyed DA:O ending with sacrifice because it was for what I could asked for... as much I´ve also enjoyed ME2 failure ending because it was also very satisfying, much more then this goulash from ME3.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 22 février 2013 - 09:46 .

[Nerevar-as]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Bioware would love nothing more than the ending to be swept under the carpet, But they are the ones burying there heads in the sand regarding the ending, There smug arrogant PR just fuels the flames of disgruntled fans, They want drones to buy there dlc and not question them, its the EA way... Look what the citadel dlc is, A new enemy from nowhere like the catalyst, Added floors to the citadel, and squadmate interaction of which they were too busy beforehand now all of a sudden they have spare time.....its a joke and people gobble it up like bioware are doing them the favor...

Your buying added floors!!!!

It´s their money, let them enjoy it (if they do).  When nME4 is out, we´ll know who was right.

[Darth Wraith]

LordJeyl wrote...

"Let the ending go"

I let Mass Effect go. Does that count?

You've only "let Mass Effect go" when you stop hanging out at the forums. One year after "letting go".

[archangel1996]

Ah the megalomaniacs in this forum

[Unschuld]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

[Wayning_Star]

I won, saved the Mass Effect Universe!

Thats all I know about the endings.

[Ryoten]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

I'll let the ending go. What i wont let go of is BioWares asinine, passive-aggressive, and down right lieing attitude towards its player base.

lol

Oh Eterna5.  Just like the time i called you out on my thread, for being part of the problem...you still are.

[jamesp81]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

By the way, I am going to go on record as being disappointed there was not a "happy" ending included. Such an outcome was doable in ME2 if you did the right things, and it was a thousand metric tons of awesome when I accomplished it. The same should've been one of the possible outcomes in ME3.

That someone wants a  happy ending it´s so ridiculous and stupid that it becomes a cliché to justify pressence of those so called "haters or vocal minority" on a public and BSN.  I´ve enjoyed DA:O ending with sacrifice because it was for what I could asked for... as much I´ve also enjoyed ME2 failure ending because it was also very satisfying, much more then this goulash from ME3.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying.  Are you saying that wanting one of the outcomes to be a happy ending is ridiculous?  Because if you are...well...nevermind.

[ewhalen]

 I reject your ending and substitute my own.

[Eterna]

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

I'll let the ending go. What i wont let go of is BioWares asinine, passive-aggressive, and down right lieing attitude towards its player base.

lol

Oh Eterna5.  Just like the time i called you out on my thread, for being part of the problem...you still are.

I'm humbled that you remember me, because honestly, I have no idea who you are. 

[Eterna]

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

And magic?

[Eterna]

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

And magic?

What magic? Let me remind you that unexplained scientific processes does not constitute magic.