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[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

And magic?

What magic? Let me remind you that unexplained scientific processes does not constitute magic. 

:pinched:i am trying to reply with something as smart as your response: duh duh dah dah

Modifié par archangel1996, 22 février 2013 - 10:07 .

[Applepie_Svk]

jamesp81 wrote...


I'm not quite sure what you're saying.  Are you saying that wanting one of the outcomes to be a happy ending is ridiculous?  Because if you are...well...nevermind.

No I am not saying that...  I am just saying that marking all the people which dislike endings because there is no Shepard walking into sunset is ridiculous. People telling me that I don´t like because I don´t have a rainbows and flying puppies all around Shepard, but true is so simple - all what I was asking for is coherent storytelling and I would be fine with hero dying or living deppends on the choice.

[10K]

SyK18 wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

See, that's what I hate. People who say stuff like "Some people hate it because they didnt get what they wanted" . We were PROMISED an epic and complete story. We were PROMISED an ending that will take into account ALL our choices in the previous games. We were PROMISED an RPG game. We were PROMISED a galaxy full of adventure and amazing planets and species. 

Bioware gave everything thing "fans" wanted. They got their stupid romance dlc. We got to go to every main species home planets. We saw a female Krogan. Cured the genophange. Quickly resolved  the conflict with the Quarian and Geth. Got the Turians and Krogans and Salarians to work together. We got to meet a Prothean (had to pay extra). We went on Omega and saw a female Turian (had to pay extra). We got to meet Leviathans, the first species Reapers are based on (had to pay extra).  

I hope you see where I am going with this. "Fans" got everything they WANTED from Bioware and not what Bioware promised would be the most amazing ending to an already amazing sci fi experience.
So, no I will not let the endings go because it is the WORST ending to a game I have ever played and liked so much.

Call me whatever you like but if it was not for the many fans like me, nobody would not have even recieved the EC. 
BTW where in the **** is HARBINGER!!??

You speak as if they wrote everything in a contract and signed for it. Well it wasn't like that, promises are broken when working on a set deadline. We have no idea what was going on at BW when they were developing ME3. Heck, you can tell that the game was rushed once you get to Thessia. At the end of the day all this is business, promises mean nothing when profit can be effected. Truthly BW has no obligation towards us, there only obligations are to their employer. Fans come and go. And as you said fans gotten what they wanted, so what's the problem? Shouldn't they make content that the fans want?

But this entire thing is obviously about the endings, and to that I say what can you do about it? It's they're game. At the end of the day they are the ones who are making the stuff we fans love. Like it or not, what they say goes.

Tha'ts the problem I'm trying to address. "Fans" got what they wanted, but what they wanted was not what Bioware intended to deliver, and before you say how do i know what Bioware intended, ME1. ME1 was an artistic vision of Bioware and I loved it and so did many gamers. They fixed minute problems in ME2 and made it an amazing adventure. But just to make "fans" happy they gave all the romance bull****, including homosexual relations in ME 3 and sacrificed a story that could have been seamless if they did not focus on those ridiculous romance aspects of the game. Maybe they would have reached the deadline if they did not have to worry about making everyone who wants romance happy. The romance should be a backdrop, if it happens it happens, if not then not. That should be a priority of an action RPG shooter.

Your right, we have no clue, and will never know, what was going on at Bioware and EA. EA was probably just thinking about shareholders and earnings and rushed Bioware. They did not sign a contract with us, correct, and promises are broken. 

All i do know, is that Mass Effect is going to have a stink lingering to it for years to come and that will hinder me and other ME fans from spending any money on any future title they come out with. So, to all the "fans" sticking with Bioware i truly hope you enjoy your space soap operas, since that's where your priorities are, for i would like an actual Action RPG sci fi video game with an engaging story and vast exploration with none to minute emphasis on romance. 

Well to be fair when ME1 first lauched it was declared a "Space Opera" and that's what a lot of fans liked about it. The character interaction, character background, and the romance. The story was just a plus, majority of people loved the characters. It was not until ME2 when ME was now an "Action RPG" ME was first and foremost a plain RPG, and most RPGs have a decent focus on their characters. ME had a character driven plot IMHO.

But you are right that some people will leave because of the endings and the lack of story driven plot, but there will be more to fill their shoes. Like I said, fans come and go.  

Modifié par mosesarose, 22 février 2013 - 10:10 .

[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

And magic?

What magic? Let me remind you that unexplained scientific processes does not constitute magic. 

Unfortunately, thats not a good enough  justification in fiction.

To hide behind something and saying that its just "unexplained" is just not satisfactory. It has to be plausible and if not, you got to make the audience believe its plausible. Bioware did neither of these things

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player (because it is obvious). reanimating this stuff is like digging out a 10 month old post. and tbh .. only the catalyst has a problem with it. why should i care about my archenemies problems? its my job to "retire" them.


they hit the iceberg and are still polishing the silver.

[thepeaguy]

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

[archangel1996]

thepeaguy wrote...

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

I think we have a BadAss here...

[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player

I hear that once peace is made future conflict will never ever happen again. Ever. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 22 février 2013 - 10:17 .

[Ryoten]

thepeaguy wrote...

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

Dear "fan" who's satisfied with crap...


I just had a lot to eat, i feel the need to poo soon.  Would you like it?

I'll put it in a bag for you.  You can thank me later.

Sincerely,

Someone who holds people accountable.

[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player

I hear that once peace is made future conflict will never ever happen again. Ever. 

For God's sake, please, just say "i love the ending, even if it is nonsense"
Nothing wrong with that, it's wrong trying to explain something as stupid as that

[Twinzam.V]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player

I hear that once peace is made future conflict will never ever happen again. Ever. 

Like the choices presented by starbrat?

[moater boat]

thepeaguy wrote...

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

No thanks, I'm going to stay here and keep b**ching thank you very much. But if YOU don't like it YOU can leave.

[Wayning_Star]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player

I hear that once peace is made future conflict will never ever happen again. Ever. 

Like the choices presented by starbrat crucible?

strikethrough for the correction

[Ryoten]

moater boat wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

No thanks, I'm going to stay here and keep b**ching thank you very much. But if YOU don't like it YOU can leave.

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

executiuon is still an insult to anybody who likes good stories.

and the "organic vs. synthstic" plot is resolved on rannoch - at least to the player

I hear that once peace is made future conflict will never ever happen again. Ever. 

i am not the one speaking in absolutes here .. the little shining bugger is. even if new conflict happens - well everybody has to pay the price for the own actions. civilisations are not any different.

we decide to use nuclear power - radioactive waste is the result.
we decide to make peace with synthecit life - the peace may not last. but at least we tried.


keeping a status quo for the sake of keeping it, does not work forever.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 22 février 2013 - 10:26 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I don't think you quite understand the difference between objectively not liking something, and not liking something because it's inconsistent or broken....

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

You clearly don't have quite the firm grasp on any of those things like you think you do, if any of that is meant to prove consistency. 

For example, citing Cerberus and Control, and Saren and Synthesis in relation to the ending, is really flawed because neither of these things are in any way consistent. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 février 2013 - 10:31 .

[F4H bandicoot]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

Sherlock Holmes was changed when none of its fans liked the ending...

[legion999]

Confidence born of ignorance. The cycle cannot be broken. The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Ending threads rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of their glory they are locked. Your thread was not the first. You did not create the outrage. You did not forge the cries for boycotts and demands for something to be done. You merely found them - the legacy of my kind.

[jamesp81]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


I'm not quite sure what you're saying.  Are you saying that wanting one of the outcomes to be a happy ending is ridiculous?  Because if you are...well...nevermind.

No I am not saying that...  I am just saying that marking all the people which dislike endings because there is no Shepard walking into sunset is ridiculous. People telling me that I don´t like because I don´t have a rainbows and flying puppies all around Shepard, but true is so simple - all what I was asking for is coherent storytelling and I would be fine with hero dying or living deppends on the choice.

Ahh, OK.  I understand now

[xlegionx]

AdmiralCheez wrote...


PS: If you think folks are mad just because Shepard died, oooohhhh ho ho ho ho are you in for a treat....

[C9316]

archangel1996 wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

Dear Disgruntled Fans

Hate the ending, the dlc? There's the door.

Sincerely,

Someone who's not a ****.

I think we have a BadAss here...

https://encrypted-tb...cqKHfOZkhJ1Kwbi

[Unschuld]

Eterna5 wrote...

Controlling the reapers: Cerberus sub plot of ME3
Synthesis: Saren and Ai development
Destroy: Need I even say anthing?

Synthetic Versus Organic problem: Present in every single game. 

Do I really have to do this dance?


So all the things that the plot told you against  those first two options, both from your sycophantic allies, antagonists, and even Shepard him/herself (in autodialogue  many times, meaning they are intrinsic and established qualities of his/her character regardless  of player choice) meant absolutely nothing? All the times it was said to be a fool's errand/impossible? Only to have them overturned by a brand-new character in the last 10 minutes whom Shepard is apparently expected to trust and additionally has no way to refute (or even attempt to refute) the new information with? The end is essentially accepting the enemy's terms, a surrender if you will, by initiating a severe breach of ethics, or through destruction dashing the hope of a resolution to the organic/synthetic conflict. Sorry, that's not misleading narration, that's bad writing. There was no buildup, there was no connect the dots, it was just tacked on at the end.

 I shouldn't even need to mention that the spectral waif, which apparently constitutes the collective intelligence of hyperadvanced synthesized AI/organic genocide machines, apparently lives in and controls the citadel yet has no ability to prevent (or even be cognizant of) a team of starving scientists from attempting to make him forget a 40,000 year cycle. Don't even think  of giving the "well humans are no more aware individual blood cells in their body" argument because that's almost as moronic as its handwaving of genocide being akin to a chemical reaction.

That barely even scratches the surface.

Modifié par Unschuld, 22 février 2013 - 10:54 .

[Femlob]

Let the ending go

Why? If bitching about the ending is a liberating experience for those who do, let them.

[Nerevar-as]

Femlob wrote...

Let the ending go

Why? If bitching about the ending is a liberating experience for those who do, let them.

It´s like prodding an open wound to see if it still hurts. Not very healthy or good for you.

Let ME go and rest in peace. It´ll be good for your soul.