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[SyK18]

[Felya87]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware screwed up because you don't like what they wrote? In that case, J.R.R Tolkein screwed up because I didn't like the hobbit. 

Ima go find a forum to complain about how I'm entitled to have the book changed to suit my individual tastes because I'm a paying customer. 

Sherlock Holmes was changed when none of its fans liked the ending...

and that's not the only case. Pinocchio should have endend with the protagonist hanged to a three by the cat and the fox, but the people who readed the paper asked Collodi to continue the story, because they didn't want to see the protagonist die in such a way.
Collodi just let Pinocchio live, because he trasformed back to a puppet when hanged, so he could't die because he wans't human anymore. So Collodi continued the story.

[PainCakesx]

Shepard being railroaded into death is only the tip of the iceberg.

The endings make no logical sense, are thematically inconsistent and to anybody with any sort of scientific background / knowledge, shatters suspension of disbelief with a sledgehammer. It feels rushed, tacked on, and uninspired. It's anti-climactic and anti-cathartic. While I personally believe that killing Shepard off in every single ending save one (where it's left ambiguous) was a terrible decision, it is most certainly not the only issue with the ending.

You can call us whiners if you'd like, but pretending that there aren't still valid complaints with the ending is akin to burying your head firmly in the sand.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 22 février 2013 - 11:33 .

[dirtdiver32318]

There is honestly no reason to fight or argue about the ending anymore it is what it is no matter what some of us think of it. It is not going to be change. Its like beating your head against the wall nothing is accomplished...

[AlexMBrennan]

It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it.

No they cannot - if they tell you that it's a cheeseburger then they have to deliver a cheeseburger even if their culinary integrity tells them that the true way to eat burgers is without cheese.

If you can't deliver the impossible, then simply don't lie about it in pre-release interviews. Simples.

Bioware gave us a FREE EC.

Free DLC is a gesture of goodwill, and does not affect your legal rights in any way - in particular, they continue to advertise their game with features cut from the game.

Until such a time that everyone who bought the game gets offered a full refund I have no incentive to stop reminding everyone that Bioware cannot be trusted.

Since Bioware also made untrue claims about the endings (such as claiming that it's possible for the Reapers to win - which is not in the shipped game, and EC refuse still results in their eventual defeat) I see no reason to stop talking about that either.

Surprisingly, Bioware ignoring valid complaints does not make me feel better about being conned out of my money - I would not have bought the game if I had known just how much of the pre-release information was lies.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 22 février 2013 - 11:44 .

[Cecilia L]

I'll never let go! Never!!! NEVER!!!!!!

Seriously, though. No I still don't like the ending, I'm happy for those who find it satisfactory, and I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and interpretation. Some of us are still outraged at the ending of "Lost", some still disapprove of the Star Wars prequels. Just because it's been a year doesn't mean people will have changed their minds. And where else to discuss the merits/turds of the ending if not here on BSN?

I say let the rants continue, people need to vent. (or show their appreciation, if they are ok with the ending) The fact that there are still so much talk going on around here just shows how deeply we care about Mass Effect, pro-ender or not, Indoctrination Theorist or otherwise.

[clarkusdarkus]

To be honest i would have let the ending go, IF they acknowledged that it was crap, and didnt have such a smug ignorant view of those that despise how it ended. Treat people like crap then expect it back, they're smug PR talk burying there head in the sand like there s*** dont stink just fuels flames so no......it will never be forgotton when bioware blatantly talk down to paying customers.

Pre release lies, Ending a trilogy with an advertisement for dlc also just add to the general disdain for them aswell.

[Nerevar-as]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's biowares game and they can do whatever they want with it.

No they cannot - if they tell you that it's a cheeseburger then they have to deliver a cheeseburger even if their culinary integrity tells them that the true way to eat burgers is without cheese.

If you can't deliver the impossible, then simply don't lie about it in pre-release interviews. Simples.

Bioware gave us a FREE EC.

Free DLC is a gesture of goodwill, and does not affect your legal rights in any way - in particular, they continue to advertise their game with features cut from the game.

Until such a time that everyone who bought the game gets offered a full refund I have no incentive to stop reminding everyone that Bioware cannot be trusted.

Since Bioware also made untrue claims about the endings (such as claiming that it's possible for the Reapers to win - which is not in the shipped game, and EC refuse still results in their eventual defeat) I see no reason to stop talking about that either.

Surprisingly, Bioware ignoring valid complaints does not make me feel better about being conned out of my money - I would not have bought the game if I had known just how much of the pre-release information was lies.

The solution is simple. Don´t buy their products in the future. So far the message they are getting is they can do as they please and people will keep going back. And apologize for those who didn´t. Maybe they are even right. Then it is our fault.

[Femlob]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Let the ending go

Why? If bitching about the ending is a liberating experience for those who do, let them.

It´s like prodding an open wound to see if it still hurts. Not very healthy or good for you.

Let ME go and rest in peace. It´ll be good for your soul.

Leave my soul out of this. I'm not the one bitching about the ending; I'm just trying to keep myself entertained until March 12th. And since watching people tear into the ending is quite entertaining, it is in my best interest to keep them going.

Modifié par Femlob, 22 février 2013 - 11:57 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

The BSN is composed of sith and darkside users, who use thier hate to fuel their power and will cling to it to their last dying breath.



But on a more serious note, this issue is going no where anytime soon. People can hold onto a grudge for a very long time, espically if they feel personally vindicated.

People don't want to give it up, because they think if they hold onto it or let go, bioware will take it as a sign that everything's okay. Of course I don't agree with this idea, but that is more just human nature.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 février 2013 - 12:03 .

[Nerevar-as]

Femlob wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Let the ending go

Why? If bitching about the ending is a liberating experience for those who do, let them.

It´s like prodding an open wound to see if it still hurts. Not very healthy or good for you.

Let ME go and rest in peace. It´ll be good for your soul.

Leave my soul out of this. I'm not the one bitching about the ending; I'm just trying to keep myself entertained until March 12th. And since watching people tear into the ending is quite entertaining, it is in my best interest to keep them going.

I was writing in general, not you specifically. I admit from a distance this is something to see, but watching other people´s hurt feelings isn´t usually my idea of entertainment. And what happens March 12th?

[Reorte]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

There is honestly no reason to fight or argue about the ending anymore it is what it is no matter what some of us think of it. It is not going to be change. Its like beating your head against the wall nothing is accomplished...

That sounds rather defeatest. The msot anyone can reasonably expect from me is for me to eventually stop talking about it. If anyone thinks that means that I've at all accepted that it's not complete garbage written by total incompetent then they're only fooling themselves.

[Reorte]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Leave my soul out of this. I'm not the one bitching about the ending; I'm just trying to keep myself entertained until March 12th. And since watching people tear into the ending is quite entertaining, it is in my best interest to keep them going.

I was writing in general, not you specifically. I admit from a distance this is something to see, but watching other people´s hurt feelings isn´t usually my idea of entertainment. And what happens March 12th?

It is the idea of entertainment for the intellectually underwhelming small-minded bullying type though.

[Qutayba]

Well, it used to be the case that all threads were about the ending. That's not true, anymore. So just skip the threads about the ending, since there are plenty of other discussions to get involved in. If people want to talk about the ending still, that's their right. Maybe they just finished the game.

I disliked the ending, but I've made peace with it. I still think BioWare does a pretty good job most of the time, and that's enough to look forward to.

[Merchant2006]

Dear OP,

I have let the ending go. Along with Mass Effect as well. Because at this point I really don't care for it anymore.

Kind regards,

Your resident a**hole, Merchant2006.

[chidingewe8036]

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

[NightShadow1800]

As soon as the last DLC comes out, I will gladly stop talking about the ending... and Mass Effect in general if I don't get some sort of closer with Shepard's fate.

[SyK18]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

As much as I would like the money to stop rolling, it is inevitable that there will still be fans who like the whole aspect of a virtual romance who will continue to throw money at Bioware. Same goes for the MP aspect.

I'm not saying it's gonna be as succesful as ME2 or ME3 sales but it still will be profitable. For the rest of us who liked the whole ME universe and the story...sucks for us.

[Nerevar-as]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

The sad thing is, if/when that happens, it will be the other team who gets hit, not the ones responsible.

[McFlurry598]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

Seriously? You want Bioware to go out of business just for ONE bad game?  But I guess, one bad apple spoils the bunch right? Ha, ruin it for everyone just because ME3s ending was not what you expected. I for one will support Bioware. I'm not going to discriminate them for screwing up. Biowares team is human just like the rest of us. We all make mistakes and learn from them, surely the next mass effect won't be rushed like ME3 was. Hopefully..

[Unschuld]

McFlurry598 wrote...Seriously? You want Bioware to go out of business just for ONE bad game?  But I guess, one bad apple spoils the bunch right? Ha, ruin it for everyone just because ME3s ending was not what you expected. I for one will support Bioware. I'm not going to discriminate them for screwing up. Biowares team is human just like the rest of us. We all make mistakes and learn from them, surely the next mass effect won't be rushed like ME3 was. Hopefully..

I don't think anyone needs to wish  anything. Bioware already made their bed, and EA's chopping block as been a bit dry for too long.

Modifié par Unschuld, 23 février 2013 - 12:40 .

[Berty213]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Dear OP,

I have let the ending go. Along with Mass Effect as well. Because at this point I really don't care for it anymore.

Kind regards,

Your resident a**hole, Merchant2006.

Then what are you doing on the ME forums?

[Ryoten]

Constantly bringing up the ending is necessary. It's like someone once said about George Lucas during the filming of the original trilogy "Lucas is someone who needs to be constantly challenged by people around him". When he isn't challenged we get the pre-qual trilogy. A sub-par product.

BioWare is like George Lucas. Their consumers need to constantly challenge them or else they will think what they're doing is acceptable.

[Ryoten]

McFlurry598 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

Seriously? You want Bioware to go out of business just for ONE bad game?  But I guess, one bad apple spoils the bunch right? Ha, ruin it for everyone just because ME3s ending was not what you expected. I for one will support Bioware. I'm not going to discriminate them for screwing up. Biowares team is human just like the rest of us. We all make mistakes and learn from them, surely the next mass effect won't be rushed like ME3 was. Hopefully..

One bad game?

Dragon Age 2, and SWTOR would like to have a word with you.

[The Night Mammoth]

McFlurry598 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what? They should have given us ending dlc but they will get their's.

When that money stops rolling in and ME4's sales look like a big pile of cow crap it will either wake them up or force them to give it up and scrap future titles.

Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. the loudest voice in the room folks. And I hope it screams in their ears until they pop.

Seriously? You want Bioware to go out of business just for ONE bad game?  But I guess, one bad apple spoils the bunch right? Ha, ruin it for everyone just because ME3s ending was not what you expected. I for one will support Bioware. I'm not going to discriminate them for screwing up. Biowares team is human just like the rest of us. We all make mistakes and learn from them, surely the next mass effect won't be rushed like ME3 was. Hopefully..

 

Wow, ME3 is the result of what they learned from ME2? The Eternal Dragon save us.