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[PainCakesx]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
No, but BSN isn't the only ME related forum, nor is it the only one a similar sentiment regarding the ending. Majority or not, it's a large portion of the fanbase.

It doesn't matter which forum you're sampling, all forums on the internet represent a very niche group of people who do not represent the opinions of the larger player base.

One of the things you learn working any kind of Customer Service position is that when a product works fine or good, people usually don't say much. But when it works badly or they feel they've had a negative experience, they're more likely to say something about it. The forums work the same way. Most people who feel neutral to good about the endings don't really bother posting about it or coming to the forums in the first place. 

This right here today? This is the first time I've come on the forums to talk about the endings since I finished the game a year ago. 

When was the last time a game had this kind of outcry? This isn't exactly a common thing.

If such an uproar occurred in any other industry, the company's PR would be on overdrive. Ignoring it is not a viable solution, and we'll see soon enough how this affects future sales.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Oh absolutely the endings were decisive and the original endings I'd argue were pretty objectively lousy. And to Bioware's credit they tried to do something about it. They stalled their DLC plans for several months to work on something that might fix it. And after all is said in done along with the addition of the Leviathan DLC which frames the endings a bit differently, I think that ME3 is a pretty solid conclusion to the series all said. There are issues but overall it's ok.

I don't think that nuanced opinions of those kinds are necessarily voiced on gaming forums often though.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 23 février 2013 - 01:45 .

[718bc]

The ending of mass effect is now, and will go down in game history as, one of the worst ends of any game ever created.  This is a tragedy, since everything leading up to it was awesome, but it remains the truth.  Bioware had every chance to change their stance on this, but it has been clear for nearly a year that they will not.  It's just a depressing nail in the coffin, that's all.

Modifié par 718bc, 23 février 2013 - 01:54 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Try this then:

http://www.wikihow.c...-the-Gag-Reflex

[AlanC9]

PainCakesx wrote...
From a purely practical perspective, it's like giving someone a bomb capable of wiping out all life on Earth. The person may be the most trustworthy man/woman in history, but that's still a tremendous risk that shouldn't be taken.

It's a tradeoff, yeah.

[DetcelferVisionary]

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
No, but BSN isn't the only ME related forum, nor is it the only one a similar sentiment regarding the ending. Majority or not, it's a large portion of the fanbase.

It doesn't matter which forum you're sampling, all forums on the internet represent a very niche group of people who do not represent the opinions of the larger player base.

One of the things you learn working any kind of Customer Service position is that when a product works fine or good, people usually don't say much. But when it works badly or they feel they've had a negative experience, they're more likely to say something about it. The forums work the same way. Most people who feel neutral to good about the endings don't really bother posting about it or coming to the forums in the first place. 

This right here today? This is the first time I've come on the forums to talk about the endings since I finished the game a year ago. 

When was the last time a game had this kind of outcry? This isn't exactly a common thing.

If such an uproar occurred in any other industry, the company's PR would be on overdrive. Ignoring it is not a viable solution, and we'll see soon enough how this affects future sales.

Dont use your common sense,  you'll offend the fanbois and gurls.

[Budgier]

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

[PainCakesx]

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

[MegaSovereign]

PainCakesx wrote...

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

They said that you can interpret it how you want. They never said Shepard was dead.

[Budgier]

PainCakesx wrote...

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

What did they say? ;-;

[PainCakesx]

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

They said that you can interpret it how you want. They never said Shepard was dead.

And that statement was a huge slap to the face given that people wanted closure, not to headcannon the ending.

Honestly, if they just came out and said unambiguously that he lived, that would be something. It wouldn't make me like the tending, but I would probably be a lot less irate. But this kind of bull is exactly why so many think that BioWare is out of touch. 

Thus my point on their PR to this whole ordeal - it's terrible. Harsh, but honest. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 février 2013 - 03:35 .

[MegaSovereign]

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

They said that you can interpret it how you want. They never said Shepard was dead.

And that statement was a huge slap to the face given that people wanted closure, not to headcannon the ending.

Honestly, if they just came out and said unambiguously that he lived, that would be something. It wouldn't make me like the tending, but I would probably be a lot less irate. But this kind of bull is exactly why so many think that BioWare is out of touch. 

Thus my point on their PR to this whole ordeal - it's terrible. Harsh, but honest. 

Hepler was basically trolling Bioware fans at the convention and Community Managers don't exactly have much authority on writer intention. While the content of the breath scene certainly leaves room for interpretation, developers like TullyAckland and even the guys who made the scene heavily imply that Shepard lives. So really, Priestly's statement contradicts their earlier statements.

It certainly doesn't help that every other piece of meta-game evidence suggests (file name, Strategy guide) that Shepard is alive.

I agree that their PR is terrible, btw, but I still feel like you're placing too much importance on that.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 23 février 2013 - 03:46 .

[SpamBot2000]

Yes, OP.

[AB Souldier]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

If I get the DLC, I'll probably just load up my only Mass Effect 3 Shepard, play it, and then pretend the game ends right there and stop playing.

Lol, This.  

After i finish the DLC (maybe i will replay it time to time, depends really), I am going to stop there. THIS WILL BE MY ENDING!

Modifié par ajsrise, 23 février 2013 - 09:13 .

[Haargel]

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
No, but BSN isn't the only ME related forum, nor is it the only one a similar sentiment regarding the ending. Majority or not, it's a large portion of the fanbase.

It doesn't matter which forum you're sampling, all forums on the internet represent a very niche group of people who do not represent the opinions of the larger player base.

One of the things you learn working any kind of Customer Service position is that when a product works fine or good, people usually don't say much. But when it works badly or they feel they've had a negative experience, they're more likely to say something about it. The forums work the same way. Most people who feel neutral to good about the endings don't really bother posting about it or coming to the forums in the first place. 

This right here today? This is the first time I've come on the forums to talk about the endings since I finished the game a year ago. 

When was the last time a game had this kind of outcry? This isn't exactly a common thing.

If such an uproar occurred in any other industry, the company's PR would be on overdrive. Ignoring it is not a viable solution, and we'll see soon enough how this affects future sales.

You think this is heavy?

Media outlets criticized the changes of the "Combat Upgrade" while subscription cancellations rose. After the New Game Enhancements were implemented in November 2005, sparking huge demonstrations in-game from the majority of players, various media outlets criticized the reduced depth and complexity of the game, but John Smedley, president of Sony Online Entertainment, defended the decision claiming it necessary to revamp the game in order to reverse the deterioration they were seeing in the subscriber base. SOE offered refunds on the Trials of Obi-Wan[/i] expansion due to it being released two days before the NGE was implemented. The development team affirmed this was their desired direction for the game and that they would modify parameters to address player's concerns. Features such as expertise trees were later added to the game to add complexity and differentiation to characters. After the announcement that SOE had acquired the game Vanguard: Saga of Heroes[/i], Smedley addressed that game's players about the perceived threat of major changes to the game: "We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."[60]

 Reports showed that only 10,363 subscribers were playing on a particular Friday night, just before the subscription numbers were about 250k

You've seen nothing

Modifié par Haargel, 23 février 2013 - 10:08 .

[Haargel]

Ahh well, it would probably the same if we had the chance to protest online when ME just came out.

[Fidget6]

Then don't buy the damn thing. Jesus, why does everything have to go back to the friggin ending?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Fidget6 wrote...

Then don't buy the damn thing. Jesus, why does everything have to go back to the friggin ending?

Because the ending is the most common sore spot.  And the feeling that nothing you do in ME3 really matters in the end is a pretty significant disincentive toward buying additional DLC.  

[Cainhurst Crow]

Haargel wrote...

Ahh well, it would probably the same if we had the chance to protest online when ME just came out.

What IS all that?

[SpamBot2000]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Haargel wrote...

Ahh well, it would probably the same if we had the chance to protest online when ME just came out.

What IS all that?

That's Customer Feedback. You know, the thing that BioWare pretends doesn't exist unless it contains religious imagery about their company.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 23 février 2013 - 11:16 .

[iamthedave3]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Then don't buy the damn thing. Jesus, why does everything have to go back to the friggin ending?

Because the ending is the most common sore spot.  And the feeling that nothing you do in ME3 really matters in the end is a pretty significant disincentive toward buying additional DLC.  

For me it was a bit different. Omega was uninteresting because I know it gets saved. Reapers lose ergo Omega saved. Leviathan wasn't interesting for the same reason. Reapers still lose the same way, so what's it really add? A bit of history, but I don't like the history of the reapers anyway so that was no draw.

Citadel I'll buy. That's adding something I care about. Stuff with the squad, maybe an interesting side plot. It'll still be somewhat irrelevant, but fun.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Budgier wrote...

I don't see how it's a huge problem, just choose Destroy at the end.. and Shepard lives and it's implied that s/he reunites with LI and squad.

The endings will still suck regardless. But there's a tiny, tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just thankful we have that.

Not according to Hepler or Priestly.

They said that you can interpret it how you want. They never said Shepard was dead.

And that statement was a huge slap to the face given that people wanted closure, not to headcannon the ending.

Honestly, if they just came out and said unambiguously that he lived, that would be something. It wouldn't make me like the tending, but I would probably be a lot less irate. But this kind of bull is exactly why so many think that BioWare is out of touch. 

Thus my point on their PR to this whole ordeal - it's terrible. Harsh, but honest. 

Hepler was basically trolling Bioware fans at the convention and Community Managers don't exactly have much authority on writer intention. While the content of the breath scene certainly leaves room for interpretation, developers like TullyAckland and even the guys who made the scene heavily imply that Shepard lives. So really, Priestly's statement contradicts their earlier statements.

It certainly doesn't help that every other piece of meta-game evidence suggests (file name, Strategy guide) that Shepard is alive.

I agree that their PR is terrible, btw, but I still feel like you're placing too much importance on that.

well this post is derailed ...

eterna is pouring oil into the fire and the rest is doing an all out assaault ... so .... a normal day on bsn


heplers actions were stupid, short sighted and did more damage to the pr-branch that most other statements.

trolling the fanbase, on a matter they deeply care about, is not the best idea. if he simply did not know that the fanbase cares about shepard, he is deaf and blind or did not pay attention. if he did it regardless of knowing, he is an ass. the reaction of the other officials in the room was clear - you could almost see the facepalms.


the message of the breathe scene is clear - shepard survives .. somehow - there is no other reason to implement this scene and after all the other stupid stuff, the endings presented us, its not even that far fetched anymore.

was is cheap? yes. was it enough? not for me and many others. should it have been more clear? absolutely. will they change it? certainly not.


can i do something? yes .. accept, that this company has changed and that some of us have to seek out new sources for our enjoiment - i certainly will.
with fan made mods (mehem, meem, high res project ect.), the mass efect games are still awesome but the companies direction is clear - mass market, simple stories, cheap tropes, schmaltz and fast cash via day one dlc and mp).

i enjoy the old bioware games - neverwinter nights, baldurs gate, dragon age and mass effect .. but future games? .. time will tell.

[Commander Castillo]

Just beat the story again.....yup....still disappointing.

[Xellith]

GoldenPersona wrote...

For a lot of people yes...which is just really kind of dumb when they play the "because we already know how it ends" card. Really? Because every game I've ever completed I've come to know how it ends too, that's the point of playing the game.

Chrono Trigger
Heavy Rain
Shadow of Memories

How do those games all end?