[quote]AlanC9 wrote...
[quote]iakus wrote...
And if it's your personal values you hold dear, which every single ending choice forces me to betray?
Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales? Sir Thomas More, "A Man for All Seasons"
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Now, that's an actual argument, rather than silly hyperbole that obscures the point.[/quote]
To be honest, that's been the heart of the endings debate since the start, though it may not always have been clear. And of course, Shepard's death was the lungs...
This is, of course, an old issue in ethics and moral philosophy. Dunno if you can stand academic stuff , but you might appreciate
this essay by thomas Nagel.
Here's the conclusion, which is directly on point.
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But what if the world itself, or someone else's actions, could face a previously innocent person with a choice between morally abominable courses of action, and leave him no way to escape with his honor? Our intuitions rebel at the idea, for we feel that the constructibility of such a case must show a contradiction in our moral views. But it is not in itself a contradiction to say that someone can do X or not do X, and that for him to take either course would be wrong. It merely contradicts the supposition that ought implies can—since presumably one ought to refrain from what is wrong, and in such a case it is impossible to do so. Given the limitations on human action, it is naive to suppose that there is a solution to every moral problem with which the world can face us. We have always known that the world is a bad place. It appears that it may be an evil place as well.[/quote]
And then there's R.M. Hare's
response, which is more or less that this shows Nagel's moral system is not workable, because it can't do anything useful in this sort of situation.( I'm with Hare, for whatever that's worth.)
Anyway, this just seems to be how our universe works. I think drayfish used to make the argument that a fictional universe should be better than this one, and not work like this. It's a reasonable position, but one I don't share.
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I'm generally with drayfish. Sure there's room for dark and gritty in games. Exhibit A being the Witcher series. But Mass Effect had always been more escapist fantasy. Space opera of the Star Wars/Star Trek/Babylon 5 mold. Genreally speaking, there was always a way out. Maybe with losses, but they were acceptable. Blindsiding the audience in the final few minutes was not cool.
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