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[SurfaceBeneath]

Nerevar-as wrote...
If you learnt that IRL you´d have the worst death you can imagine, and it would undo all your life stood for, would you really enjoy the rest of yout life? That´s the flaw in ME ending, not Shepard dying.

Worst death imaginable? That's not hyperbole at all. Nope.

Every ending that results in Shepard's death was like... them disintigrating in a second or two. 

One of those endings resulted in Shepard then becoming a Machine God. Hell yes I would enjoy what's left of my life if I learned tomorrow I would become a Machine God.

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I guess it depends on whether you think that Synthesis is "forced" when it was probably an inevitable outcome to begin with (most organic beings were already implementing synthetic systems into them throughout the entire trilogy) or if you think that a "Control" ending necessarily results in them "ruling the galaxy" and not just watching distantly and protecting them from threats that come up.

I feel like facepalming whenever I see this. No, it isn´t, no more than using glasses make it unavoidable. Pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo isn´t going to change the laws of nature no matter how much W&H liked Deus Ex.

[PainCakesx]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
I guess it depends on whether or not you think that forcing a genetic change on every being in the galaxy or unilaterally declaring yourself the supreme overlord of the galaxy is an ethical decision.

And I tend to think that EDI and Legion were more than just "toasters." 

I guess it depends on whether you think that Synthesis is "forced" when it was an inevitable outcome to begin with (most organic beings were already implementing synthetic systems into them throughout the entire game) or if you think that a "Control" ending necessarily results in them "ruling the galaxy" and not just watching distantly and protecting them threats. 

Also I also think that EDI and the Geth were more than toasters. But a destroy ending doesn't negate the possibility of them being repaired and turned back on like toasters if you want to go that route. 

Okay, so what?

If people choose to implant themselves, great. The difference is it being *without their consent.* Forcing something onto someone and letting it happen naturally are 2 entirely different things. This shouldn't even be up to debate. In terms of control, it still essentially amounts to enslaving all synthetic life. That doesn't even touch on the hazards of allowing one person that kind of power, even a fully Paragon Shepard.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
If you learnt that IRL you´d have the worst death you can imagine, and it would undo all your life stood for, would you really enjoy the rest of yout life? That´s the flaw in ME ending, not Shepard dying.

Worst death imaginable? That's not hyperbole at all. Nope.

Every ending that results in Shepard's death was like... them disintigrating in a second or two. 

One of those endings resulted in Shepard then becoming a Machine God. Hell yes I would enjoy what's left of my life if I learned tomorrow I would become a Machine God.

Again, ShepAIrd is NOT Shepard, just a copy. With absolute power. Everybody is already plotting how to turn it off.

And the worst death you can think of only involves physical agony (from your second phrase)? You lack imagination, which actually explains a lot (no offense intended).

[PainCakesx]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 février 2013 - 12:20 .

[MegaSovereign]

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

Ironically I´d say it´s there because the ending puts it there... you can´t kill all hope in the last moment and then say it´s back on its feet a minute later. If it felt like Shepard was the one calling the shots in the meeting with Starbrat it might be different, but with SB doing the talking, Shep just nodding, and so on, it just doesn´t work. I think the tone it´s everything, I have a lot of especulations about what happens after the end of A Memory of Light, and are mostly positive.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 février 2013 - 12:24 .

[PainCakesx]

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

[Nerevar-as]

PainCakesx wrote...

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

Because if red discriminated hardly anybody would pick the other 2. Really, writing this bad can´t be headcanoned.

[MegaSovereign]

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Control ending does it imply that the Geth and EDI are being controlled? 

[PainCakesx]

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Control ending does it imply that the Geth and EDI are being controlled? 

The control ending itself doesn't.

It doesn't make sense that one ray of light only targets reapers while the others target everyone. 

But then again, nothing in that ending makes a damn bit of sense anyway.

[Berty213]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Control ending does it imply that the Geth and EDI are being controlled? 

Off topic: If Shepard is controlling EDI does that mean it's up to him if Joker has robot sex? Is Joking dating Shepard now?!

Modifié par Berty213, 23 février 2013 - 12:36 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Again, ShepAIrd is NOT Shepard, just a copy. With absolute power. Everybody is already plotting how to turn it off.

And the worst death you can think of only involves physical agony (from your second phrase)? You lack imagination, which actually explains a lot (no offense intended).

All I am are my memories and thoughts. If those are uploaded into a Reaper, that means that I am uploaded into a Reaper. Whether or not it's the same me in a "physical" sense is meaningless. 

Also lol at this "worst death" nonsense. Your lack of any actual ability to discern what's in the ending from your own erroneous assumptions and nihilstic attitude really does explain a lot (every offense intended)

[Eterna]

Nerevar-as wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

But they did take certain feedback into account. They can't please everyone but you can't ignore the fact that feedback did inspire the new hubs and ME1/ME2 cast content.

That´s the problem. They took feedback in what they didn´t care to change. There´s one huge blot in ME, and it´s going to stay. I don´t think they are aware how much they screwed. We´ll know who was right in a couple of years.

Alls I'm hearing is "Waah they didn't isten to me."

[Kryptonater]

I don't understand why people are so hung up about the endings still and Sheps death :S Destroy = Evil as you are committing genocide against the Geth and killing EDI, your friend. Control = Controlling the reapers to help rebuild and provide protection and keep the peace in the Galaxy (and I swear to God if anyone mentions Indoctrination Theory I won't waste my breath answering them). People say it is mind control, so your telling me that you would prefer a gang of murderers to be allowed to do what they want with their free will and kill as many people as they'd like, or simply re-habilitate them to be working members of society (which is basically what the Control option does, it like the re-writing of the Geth heretics, its not mind control or brainwashing, it is simply changing the math). And finally synthesis = Peace and happiness for everyone forever, as all life in the Galaxy is united under one banner and work together for a better future.

And this DLC is probably going to be the best yet as I would love to have more fleshed out romances and conversation with squadmates that were basically left out e.g. Samara, Jack, Miranda, Grunt, (Mordin, Jacob, Legion, Thane, Kasumi if possible). How can one dislike the concept of having a proper farewell to the characters we have all grown to love over the past 5 years, it utterly confounds me how so many people are cynical of this.

[MegaSovereign]

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Control ending does it imply that the Geth and EDI are being controlled? 

The control ending itself doesn't.

It doesn't make sense that one ray of light only targets reapers while the others target everyone. 

But then again, nothing in that ending makes a damn bit of sense anyway.

Okay, I guess this isn't really going anywhere.

[SurfaceBeneath]

The control ending itself doesn't.

It doesn't make sense that one ray of light only targets reapers while the others target everyone. 

But then again, nothing in that ending makes a damn bit of sense anyway.

Ok so you're drawing your conclusion from assumptions you're making and not the actual content of what's in the ending. 

Glad we were able to clear that up.

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Again, ShepAIrd is NOT Shepard, just a copy. With absolute power. Everybody is already plotting how to turn it off.

And the worst death you can think of only involves physical agony (from your second phrase)? You lack imagination, which actually explains a lot (no offense intended).

All I am are my memories and thoughts. If those are uploaded into a Reaper, that means that I am uploaded into a Reaper. Whether or not it's the same me in a "physical" sense is meaningless. 

Also lol at this "worst death" nonsense. Your lack of any actual ability to discern what's in the ending from your own erroneous assumptions and nihilstic attitude really does explain a lot (every offense intended)

So a clone with your memories would be you? Even if it lived at the same time than you?

And how am I nihilistic and what am I assuming?

And sorry if I came as hostile.

[Yate]

love how the people who complained about the endings being identical are now complaining that control and destroy are not identical

[PainCakesx]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Okay, I guess this isn't really going anywhere.

Nope. The endings are ridiculous and make no sense. Nothing will convince me otherwise, just like how people who love the endings won't likely be convinced otherwise.

[Eterna]

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey I think Synthesis is dumb too. But I think there's some legit reasons that some people like it. That's fine. It's not for me.

All this silly goosery about Control "enslaving" all synthetics is absolute rot though. All Shepard does is get uploaded into the big daddy Reaper who then gets to do what they want with the Reapers themselves (and maybe if those Reapers have free will he/she can release them? It's a possibility).

Listen if you want to try and read awful things into the endings, that's cool. But don't expect others to take such a nihilistic interpretation of something that's not there in the first place.

You can pretty it up all you want, but controlling all synthetics against their will = enslaving. 

That and the fact that ShepAI isn't Shepard, but a copy of him. A copy that may or may not act exactly as he would. 

Woah. Hold on there. Since when were all synthetics controlled?

The Shepard AI replaced the current Catalyst. He's not controlling the Geth or EDI and the narrative never suggests this is the case.

So why does the magical blue light discriminate while the red light doesn't?

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Control ending does it imply that the Geth and EDI are being controlled? 

The control ending itself doesn't.

It doesn't make sense that one ray of light only targets reapers while the others target everyone. 

But then again, nothing in that ending makes a damn bit of sense anyway.

Different processes have different results. Downloading a new program onto your computer (Control) has a very different result than smashing your comoutor to bits (destroy). 

This is also why the Citadel isn't Destroyed in Control. 

[Ryoten]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

But they did take certain feedback into account. They can't please everyone but you can't ignore the fact that feedback did inspire the new hubs and ME1/ME2 cast content.

That´s the problem. They took feedback in what they didn´t care to change. There´s one huge blot in ME, and it´s going to stay. I don´t think they are aware how much they screwed. We´ll know who was right in a couple of years.

Alls I'm hearing is "Waah they didn't isten to me."

That's the best you can do?  I think you need rasputin to add some fuel to your ridiculous defense of why the ending is good.  Cause as it stands now, you're all out of juice.

[Nerevar-as]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

But they did take certain feedback into account. They can't please everyone but you can't ignore the fact that feedback did inspire the new hubs and ME1/ME2 cast content.

That´s the problem. They took feedback in what they didn´t care to change. There´s one huge blot in ME, and it´s going to stay. I don´t think they are aware how much they screwed. We´ll know who was right in a couple of years.

Alls I'm hearing is "Waah they didn't isten to me."

Eterna5, I noted some time ago you are the very definition of a blind fanboy (the other word is censored) and from your other interactions in the forum how pointless it is to try and reason with you.

Just start saving for buying 10000 copies of ME4. It´s possible BW will need it. And don´t whine too much if they ever do more than even you can take.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 février 2013 - 12:39 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

But they did take certain feedback into account. They can't please everyone but you can't ignore the fact that feedback did inspire the new hubs and ME1/ME2 cast content.

That´s the problem. They took feedback in what they didn´t care to change. There´s one huge blot in ME, and it´s going to stay. I don´t think they are aware how much they screwed. We´ll know who was right in a couple of years.

Alls I'm hearing is "Waah they didn't isten to me."

That's the best you can do?  I think you need rasputin to add some fuel to your ridiculous defense of why the ending is good.  Cause as it stands now, you're all out of juice.

You can understand him? All I see is hypocrisy.