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[PainCakesx]

AlanC9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

In terms of Control - education and counselling is a bit different than rewriting a person's brain and personality. I personally would rather die than have all free will removed, becoming little more than a mindless slave to be used at the whim of some supreme overlord. Additionally, there is NO guarentee that ShepAI will never turn on its people given that it's NOT Shepard but simply an imprint of him.

There's no guarantee that Shepard himself won't turn on his people either.

I agree that controlling Reapers is a bit worse than destroying them -- it's the geth heretics all over again, and I prefer destruction there too. But the Reapers are at the back of the line when evaluating morality; if the geth are still around, their interests come first.

Shepard may turn on his own people, but at least he won't have an army of super-advanced machines capable of wiping out all life if he does.

From a purely practical perspective, it's like giving someone a bomb capable of wiping out all life on Earth. The person may be the most trustworthy man/woman in history, but that's still a tremendous risk that shouldn't be taken.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 février 2013 - 12:58 .

[Nerevar-as]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

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No, I won´t as there´s no point. Bye.

You're just so intelligent. Everything in my life had no meaning until you used those fingers to type that message. 

Please, bless me with more of your wisdom. 

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[SurfaceBeneath]

PainCakesx wrote...
Yes, it's science fiction - but it turns into pure fantasy when the boundaries set by teh story are broken. Mass Effect has always had a focus of explaining everything away through real science - and while a lot of it isn't realistic, it's at least plausible.

Eh... sorta. Mass Effect fields as a concept are magic explained away with techno-babble. They've been since the very first game and given that the entire fiction is named after it, I'd say we're far enough into fantasy that we can take some liberties. 

I think Control makes sense enough... digitizing a human brain and uploading it isn't actually that outside the bounds of what will be possible in the next few decades.

Synthesis I will give you makes no fliipping sense though.

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
Given the Catalyst's faulty and circular logic, I would have a hard time having confidence in anything he says. <_<

I don't think that the Catalyst has faulty and circular logic. It actually has perfectly consistent logic within the confines of its original programming. It's the original programming that was f'ed up. Turns out its definition of "sanctity of life" stopped at the base genetic code for a life form. And it preserved that sanctifty of life perfectly. Oops!

I doubt there´s much left of that identity once it´s turned to metal. Different elements of the periodic table and so on.

Really, how were Darwin awards called during the Levi cycle?

[jacko621]

yo FAbutzke shut u miserable **** just because u dont want a happy ending dont mean everyone else agrees with u why dont u go back to sucking up 2 bioware and raining them with money we just want an ending that makes sense and actually works with the story it doesnt HAVE to be happy

[Eterna]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

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No, I won´t as there´s no point. Bye.

You're just so intelligent. Everything in my life had no meaning until you used those fingers to type that message. 

Please, bless me with more of your wisdom. 

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I'm so turned on right now. 

[Nerevar-as]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
Yes, it's science fiction - but it turns into pure fantasy when the boundaries set by teh story are broken. Mass Effect has always had a focus of explaining everything away through real science - and while a lot of it isn't realistic, it's at least plausible.

Eh... sorta. Mass Effect fields as a concept are magic explained away with techno-babble. They've been since the very first game and given that the entire fiction is named after it, I'd say we're far enough into fantasy that we can take some liberties. 

I think Control makes sense enough... digitizing a human brain and uploading it isn't actually that outside the bounds of what will be possible in the next few decades.

Synthesis I will give you makes no fliipping sense though.

Almost alll the SF/Fantasy of ME1 is based on element zero (aka phlebotium) and its properties. Problems started when they began to move away from that.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 février 2013 - 01:02 .

[PainCakesx]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
Yes, it's science fiction - but it turns into pure fantasy when the boundaries set by teh story are broken. Mass Effect has always had a focus of explaining everything away through real science - and while a lot of it isn't realistic, it's at least plausible.

Eh... sorta. Mass Effect fields as a concept are magic explained away with techno-babble. They've been since the very first game and given that the entire fiction is named after it, I'd say we're far enough into fantasy that we can take some liberties. 

I think Control makes sense enough... digitizing a human brain and uploading it isn't actually that outside the bounds of what will be possible in the next few decades.

Synthesis I will give you makes no fliipping sense though.

Yes, some liberties are taken. Element Zero, for example, which is basically just a neutron, doesn't just give people the ability to warp spacetime. And, personally, that aspect of the lore has sort of bugged me as it does pierce the suspension of disbelief a bit. Still, it maintain a certain level of plausibility.

Control is more plausible than synthesis, but I'd hesitate to call it plausible.

[davishepard]

I don't see a reason to care for the people that still dislike the endings.

[McFlurry598]

davishepard wrote...

I don't see a reason to care for the people that still dislike the endings.

[PainCakesx]

davishepard wrote...

I don't see a reason to care for the people that still dislike the endings.

Because it's still a large number? And alienating a large portion, majority or not (I think it's a majority, but whatever) of your fanbase is a terrible business strategy?

[Nerevar-as]

PainCakesx wrote...

Yes, some liberties are taken. Element Zero, for example, which is basically just a neutron, doesn't just give people the ability to warp spacetime. And, personally, that aspect of the lore has sort of bugged me as it does pierce the suspension of disbelief a bit. Still, it maintain a certain level of plausibility.

Control is more plausible than synthesis, but I'd hesitate to call it plausible.

Why? Reapers are enslaved (apparently in all senses) to Starbrat, and ShepAIrd overwrites Starbrat.

[Nerevar-as]

PainCakesx wrote...

davishepard wrote...

I don't see a reason to care for the people that still dislike the endings.

Because it's still a large number? And alienating a large portion, majority or not (I think it's a majority, but whatever) of your fanbase is a terrible business strategy?

According to some tweet by Merizan, their numbers (no idea which ones or how they got them) indicate otherwise. More information of the validity of that in around 2 years time.

[PainCakesx]

Nerevar-as wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Yes, some liberties are taken. Element Zero, for example, which is basically just a neutron, doesn't just give people the ability to warp spacetime. And, personally, that aspect of the lore has sort of bugged me as it does pierce the suspension of disbelief a bit. Still, it maintain a certain level of plausibility.

Control is more plausible than synthesis, but I'd hesitate to call it plausible.

Why? Reapers are enslaved (apparently in all senses) to Starbrat, and ShepAIrd overwrites Starbrat.

Because a blue ray of light disintegrating a person and replicating that person perfectly as an AI is very far fetched, even for sci-fi.

[Bryy_Miller]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I mean there seems to be heavy emphasis on this DLC with hanging out with your squadmates, and even more romantic content. Which would be fantastic, if it weren't going to be overshadowed by the ending. How many people are gonna be having emotional moments with their bro/li in this DLC, and then thoughts of the ending pop in the back of your mind? 

I know i would. To me, this is just gonna make things the ending even harder to deal with than it already is.

Why would you be downloading the DLC if you don't want to play it?

[PainCakesx]

Nerevar-as wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

davishepard wrote...

I don't see a reason to care for the people that still dislike the endings.

Because it's still a large number? And alienating a large portion, majority or not (I think it's a majority, but whatever) of your fanbase is a terrible business strategy?

According to some tweet by Merizan, their numbers (no idea which ones or how they got them) indicate otherwise. More information of the validity of that in around 2 years time.

Given how easily statistics are warped or twisted, I refuse to accept any statistics at face value without any sort of confirmation. I don't know a single person outside of this forum who genuinely loved the endings. It's not confined to BSN or even the internet.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 février 2013 - 01:11 .

[davishepard]

PainCakesx wrote...

Because it's still a large number? And alienating a large portion, majority or not (I think it's a majority, but whatever) of your fanbase is a terrible business strategy?

I don't work for BioWare, yet I don't have a problem with this said business strategy. Actually, I admire the company for sticking to their endings and refusing to go with the easy route (change the endings, keep Shepard as the protagonist in the next game).

All I'm saying is that I'm happy with the upcoming DLC for its known content til now and don't see a reason to care about anyone that still dwells on the endings, that will not change.

[PainCakesx]

davishepard wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Because it's still a large number? And alienating a large portion, majority or not (I think it's a majority, but whatever) of your fanbase is a terrible business strategy?

I don't work for BioWare, yet I don't have a problem with this said business strategy. Actually, I admire the company for sticking to their endings and refusing to go with the easy route (change the endings, keep Shepard as the protagonist in the next game).

All I'm saying is that I'm happy with the upcoming DLC for its known content til now and don't see a reason to care about anyone that still dwells on the endings, that will not change.

I can tell you have little PR experience if you think their business strategy is a good one. 

Depending on the DLC, I might pick it up. Based on what we know now, I'm not convinced.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 février 2013 - 01:15 .

[Bryy_Miller]

While my initial statement:

"Don't download the DLC if you don't want to play it"

still stands, I think this is a horrible marketing move by BioWare that preys on the type of gamer that feels like they NEED all the DLC or else they have been BETRAYED.

It's a horrible cycle:
Person A blames DLC for existing > Has to buy DLC to feel like the game is complete

Developers and publishers should not be exacerbating this kind of unhealthy trait. DLC should be marketed as supplemental, not "here's your last chance to blah blah blah".

Last chance? Do we not own ME1? ME2? ME3?

[SurfaceBeneath]

PainCakesx wrote...
Given how easily statistics are warped or twisted, I refuse to accept any statistics at face value without any sort of confirmation. I don't know a single person outside of this forum who genuinely loved the endings. It's not confined to BSN or even the internet.

I don't know a single person outside of internet forums who genuinely hated the endings. And I talk to quite a few people about the series in real life.

Regardless about how you feel about statistics, you have to accept that the forums are not in any way representitive of general attitudes.

[Nerevar-as]

PainCakesx wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Yes, some liberties are taken. Element Zero, for example, which is basically just a neutron, doesn't just give people the ability to warp spacetime. And, personally, that aspect of the lore has sort of bugged me as it does pierce the suspension of disbelief a bit. Still, it maintain a certain level of plausibility.

Control is more plausible than synthesis, but I'd hesitate to call it plausible.

Why? Reapers are enslaved (apparently in all senses) to Starbrat, and ShepAIrd overwrites Starbrat.

Because a blue ray of light disintegrating a person and replicating that person perfectly as an AI is very far fetched, even for sci-fi.

Brain uploading is very common in SF, even if they screwed with the visuals to add artisitc integrity by desintegrating Shepard. It´s not more stupid than the swam dive or walking towards an exploding tube.





I really want to know how those got approved...

[PainCakesx]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...
Given how easily statistics are warped or twisted, I refuse to accept any statistics at face value without any sort of confirmation. I don't know a single person outside of this forum who genuinely loved the endings. It's not confined to BSN or even the internet.

I don't know a single person outside of internet forums who genuinely hated the endings. And I talk to quite a few people about the series in real life.

Regardless about how you feel about statistics, you have to accept that the forums are not in any way representitive of general attitudes.

No, but BSN isn't the only ME related forum, nor is it the only one a similar sentiment regarding the ending. Majority or not, it's a large portion of the fanbase.

[PainCakesx]

Nerevar-as wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Yes, some liberties are taken. Element Zero, for example, which is basically just a neutron, doesn't just give people the ability to warp spacetime. And, personally, that aspect of the lore has sort of bugged me as it does pierce the suspension of disbelief a bit. Still, it maintain a certain level of plausibility.

Control is more plausible than synthesis, but I'd hesitate to call it plausible.

Why? Reapers are enslaved (apparently in all senses) to Starbrat, and ShepAIrd overwrites Starbrat.

Because a blue ray of light disintegrating a person and replicating that person perfectly as an AI is very far fetched, even for sci-fi.

Brain uploading is very common in SF, even if they screwed with the visuals to add artisitc integrity by desintegrating Shepard. It´s not more stupid than the swam dive or walking towards an exploding tube.





I really want to know how those got approved...

Synthesis was horse ****. 

And walking towards the tube in Destroy still boggles my mind.

And while brain uploading is common sci-fi, there's usually either some sort of precedent or it's explained in such a way that it's plausible. The presentation of it is a problem, and Shepard disintegrating reeks of forced sadness.

[SurfaceBeneath]

PainCakesx wrote...
No, but BSN isn't the only ME related forum, nor is it the only one a similar sentiment regarding the ending. Majority or not, it's a large portion of the fanbase.

It doesn't matter which forum you're sampling, all forums on the internet represent a very niche group of people who do not represent the opinions of the larger player base.

One of the things you learn working any kind of Customer Service position is that when a product works fine or good, people usually don't say much. But when it works badly or they feel they've had a negative experience, they're more likely to say something about it. The forums work the same way. Most people who feel neutral to good about the endings don't really bother posting about it or coming to the forums in the first place. 

This right here today? This is the first time I've come on the forums to talk about the endings since I finished the game a year ago. 

[SurfaceBeneath]

I do agree that Shepard's body getting disintegrated in the Control ending is a bit silly.

*shrugs*