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[Cainhurst Crow]

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

[KevShep]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Boycotting the DLC won't change the ending. They're done making DLCs after this one so it literally doesn't matter if you chain yourself to a tree that's already been knocked down (figuratively speaking).

Its not about just trying to change the ending...Its about letting the devs and publishers know that innovation and creativity is what will sell and it we will let them know that crap will not do!!!!!

Iam not getting this DLC.

[PistolPete7556]

Eterna5 wrote...

No, I'm buying this.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KevShep wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Boycotting the DLC won't change the ending. They're done making DLCs after this one so it literally doesn't matter if you chain yourself to a tree that's already been knocked down (figuratively speaking).

Its not about just trying to change the ending...Its about letting the devs and publishers know that innovation and creativity is what will sell and it we will let them know that crap will not do!!!!!

Iam not getting this DLC.

So you know what the quality of the dlc will be? With absolute certainty?

If your all for supporting creativity and innovation, maybe you should actually wait until you can say whether this dlc won't have that or not.

[FlamingBoy]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

the image in my head is actually rather amusing:P

[DetcelferVisionary]

Gangnam Style wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?   Maybe theres a really obese person playing this game and you want to save them from experiencing the ending so they dont have a heart attack.   How about then?

i'm just gonna quote this so everyone can see how dumb your post is

I was joking.  Sarcasm is lost over the interwebs.   In fact,  I'm joking on here about 90% of the time.  But I figure you just have a personal vendetta so I'll let you rage more.

[Cainhurst Crow]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

the image in my head is actually rather amusing:P

Speaking from having it happen to my dad, it's the most doucheist thing you can ever do.

I enjoyed punching the ****  who did that in the face.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 février 2013 - 04:28 .

[epenthesis]

FlamingBoy wrote...
1. appeal to emotion fallacy (seriously to use human rights to bolster your opinion is pretty low)

2.) your mostly correct, however bioware have said statements that are not true before

3.) argumentum ad populum

1) I have no idea what you're talking about. I was "using" human rights to demonstrate that this issue is unworthy of the type of collective action the OP advocates.

2) BioWare certainly isn't always frank with us, but do you think they would ever include ending content and deny it? They'd tease the hell out of it if they ever made more.

3) Fair response, but my point was less "you're in the minority, so your opinion should carry less weight," and more "you're in the minority, so why are you surprised that people aren't eager to join you?"

[ruggly]

I'm getting it

[RocketManSR2]

2 ways to ****** me off:

1) Tell me I can't have something because you don't like it
2) Try to tell me what to do with my money

I didn't buy Lev and Omega and most likely still won't. I was a supporter of a LI DLC, though, and Citadel looks to be just that, at least in part. I will be buying this. I'm just trying to decide between getting it immediately or waiting to see exactly what feedback was addressed before checking it out.  

[SyK18]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KevShep wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Boycotting the DLC won't change the ending. They're done making DLCs after this one so it literally doesn't matter if you chain yourself to a tree that's already been knocked down (figuratively speaking).

Its not about just trying to change the ending...Its about letting the devs and publishers know that innovation and creativity is what will sell and it we will let them know that crap will not do!!!!!

Iam not getting this DLC.

So you know what the quality of the dlc will be? With absolute certainty?

If your all for supporting creativity and innovation, maybe you should actually wait until you can say whether this dlc won't have that or not.

I'm pretty sure he is taking about the big picture. We have to take a stand somewhere, wheter it had been at the release of Leviathan or Omega or now with Citadel. This might be a great dlc or it might be a big dissapointment for many or for few.

Lair of the Shadow Broker was creative, was innovative and nobody disliked it. It was praised and maybe Citadel will be too but i hear no praise for Omega or Leviathan. Nobody complained about LOTSB because it was worth the money spent. I wathced both ME3 dlc's and i believe both should have been in the game including what I have heard about Citadel at this point same goes with From Ashes, but i will try to dvelve well away from that particular dlc. LOTSB had no connection to the story of ME2 it  was truly and side experience a majority enjoyed. 

[FlamingBoy]

epenthesis wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
1. appeal to emotion fallacy (seriously to use human rights to bolster your opinion is pretty low)

2.) your mostly correct, however bioware have said statements that are not true before

3.) argumentum ad populum

1) I have no idea what you're talking about. I was "using" human rights to demonstrate that this issue is unworthy of the type of collective action the OP advocates.

2) BioWare certainly isn't always frank with us, but do you think they would ever include ending content and deny it? They'd tease the hell out of it if they ever made more.

3) Fair response, but my point was less "you're in the minority, so your opinion should carry less weight," and more "you're in the minority, so why are you surprised that people aren't eager to join you?"

1. Because human rights have no relevance in the debate, the only reason to bring it in a argument is to distract the argument, it denotes a emotional response of the  "poor suffering people". to suggest something isn't worth some one else time has no value because the person believes it to be worth his time.

2. your right, but to use the argument that bioware says this and promises that (for example: they will not add ending content because they said so) is immediately suspect.

3.) that was not how it read, but your rephrase makes sense.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 23 février 2013 - 04:38 .

[FlamingBoy]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

the image in my head is actually rather amusing:P

Speaking from having it happen to my dad, it's the most doucheist thing you can ever do.

I enjoyed punching the ****  who did that in the face.

this is the image i am getting right now
an australian ad

[Bryy_Miller]

SyK18 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

SyK18 wrote...
How about not buying it on the first day?

Does that really make much of a difference in the end?  If I wait three days to buy it?  Plus as I'm up to my ears in schoolwork, it's just as likely I have an assignment or something that day and won't be able to get to it anyway. 

Actually yea it does. It shows Bioware that we as fans will not just jump on anything they throw at us. Gamers need to be in control, not the game developers. Without us they are nothing.

Buying on day three versus day one sends the same message as if you bought for $15 instead of $60.

And that message is that you bought it.

Profit and copies sold are not the same thing.

And you are not in control of what the people that create the product do. 

[Iakus]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

2 ways to ****** me off:

1) Tell me I can't have something because you don't like it
2) Try to tell me what to do with my money

I didn't buy Lev and Omega and most likely still won't. I was a supporter of a LI DLC, though, and Citadel looks to be just that, at least in part. I will be buying this. I'm just trying to decide between getting it immediately or waiting to see exactly what feedback was addressed before checking it out.  

I'm doing the latter.

At the very least, I'm waiting until the next MEHEM iteration, so I can close my eyes and pretend Bioware didn't say "Your opinion doesn't matter to us"

[Ryoten]

SyK18 wrote...

I know people have tried to stop others from buying Omega and Leviathan because the ending does not change and they hated it and don't want to support Bioware. And i know it's just my opinion I 'm stating and it's your right to buy whatever you want.

But is it possible for all to not buy the DLC?? Is it possible for fans to just say enough is enough? Is this DLC really worthwhile if it does not change the most important part in this game (in my opinion)??

I have seen alot of people state that "this is the last dlc, let them have thier moment" But what moment?? A few conversations in game with characters you have played with in the ME games? A mission that does not seem to impact anything in the final moments of the game. Is this really worth $15?? Why is it, as fans and consumers, we have so little to no control over what we purchase from companies like EA?? Why can't we as a collective decide "NO!! we will not buy this $15 joke of a DLC!"? 

I guess i just feel like Bioware has done an injustice to all its fans from ME1 and ME2. They have built a large fanbase with the previous amazing games and nobody says "oh, it looks like they are taking advantage of us by charging so much and delivering so little." 

I did not buy Omega or Leviathan.I have not bought the alt packs or gun packs. And  I will not be buying Citadel. This might just be a wasted attempt at getting the rest of us to join in and not buy Citadel. But i will try, that is my right. Don't just be happy with whatever they throw at you, demand something that helps clean the ending and gets rid of the aftertaste of the word "Mass Effect 3".

P.S. I do appreciate the Bioware team for creating a dlc asked by the mass who wanted the romance and reunions of past squadmates, however, I don't think this is something that should be focused on at all compared  to the story that is being told in ME3 and the exclusion of main plotholes . (You know, the whole story about humans being killed by Reapers and worlds are being taken over and Cerberus is trying to control machines of mass destruction and how we have no time to sit around boning Miranda and playing poker or gambling in a casino)

Agreed.

The debate is settled.  We are not going to buy it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

the image in my head is actually rather amusing:P

Speaking from having it happen to my dad, it's the most doucheist thing you can ever do.

I enjoyed punching the ****  who did that in the face.

this is the image i am getting right now
an australian ad

I wouldn't have a problem with anti-smoking people if they didn't seem to be so obnoxious.

But this happened during a birthday dinner for my dad. Me and my brother were visiting him back in my home state, 2 week vacation becasue of winter break. We decide to go to a pretty nice resturant with a smoking section, a nice outdoor one too facing the beach. So we're sitting there, eating, having a good time and pretty much reconnecting after not seeing eachother for a year, when this **** walks up, and tells my dad that he wants him to put out his cigarette becasue it bothers him. He's sitting inside the non-smoking section, but apparently just seeing my dad smoking is getting him upset becuase "I don';t want my kid seeing that."

So my dad, he's like 60, he's dealt with this **** before. He tries to talk to the guy reasonably, telling him he's in the non-smoking section, even offering to change seats so he's not facing their window, but apparently that's not enough. So the guy reaches over and grabs the cigarette out of my dad's hand from across the table. Me and my brother get up and are like "what the **** are you doing?" and he flicks the cigarette at me, probably by accident upon reflection, and that's when me and my brother get into a fight with him.

This whole thing was a ****ing disaster for both of us, and security had to break us up, and it took both of us promising everything would be cool to make sure we all didn't get thrown out the resturaunt.

Needless to say, I don't have a good opinion of those type of guys. Though I did apologize afterwards thanks to my dad freaking scolding me the whole time afterwards.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 février 2013 - 04:47 .

[SyK18]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

SyK18 wrote...
How about not buying it on the first day?

Does that really make much of a difference in the end?  If I wait three days to buy it?  Plus as I'm up to my ears in schoolwork, it's just as likely I have an assignment or something that day and won't be able to get to it anyway. 

Actually yea it does. It shows Bioware that we as fans will not just jump on anything they throw at us. Gamers need to be in control, not the game developers. Without us they are nothing.

Buying on day three versus day one sends the same message as if you bought for $15 instead of $60.

And that message is that you bought it.

Profit and copies sold are not the same thing.

And you are not in control of what the people that create the product do. 

"Profit and copies sold are not the same thing." you are right. But if nobody buys it Day 1, that will show Bioware or EA that we will not THROW MONEY BLINDLY AT ANYTHING THEY RELEASE!! It's like I have been repeating myself this whole thread.

[Jadebaby]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
But it happens in every thread. It's not like I can just close my eyes and use the forces to find threads that don't have anything to do with the ending.

And even when I find one, someone has to start some **** and start proclaiming how much bioware sucks and how the ending needs dlc.

You know how annoying that is?

Well ending haters are the minority, so it shouldn't be that hard to find a thread that isn't about the ending, especially with this new dlc being released, there will be much to discuss soon besides the ending. And so what if someone starts turning a thread off-topic into ending stuff, just ignore and remain on topic with the thread being discussed. It really is that easy. It's not like threads get tainted or anything as soon as someone mentions the ending, just continue to ignore and keep contributing to the discussion the thread is about.

My options to stick around and discuss mass effect have been widdled down to either having to shift through hundreds of post proclaiming how something I like is **** and I should feel bad for liking it. Or try to talk about mass effect in the off-topic thread, which doesn't work since most people don't want to talk about ME3 in that thread because they're sick and tired of the BSN bull**** as well. And the MP thread is for MP talk only and single player discussions get locked, same with the general thread.

Those people could just be trolling you could they not? How do you act to trolls? Ignore and/or report. Also, the BSN is hardly the only place on the internet you can discuss Mass Effect...

I actually want to talk about mass effect and not just use it as a soap box to proclaim how sad and angry I am and how bad my life is now. And yet it seems I'm the one who needs to leave the forum that is designed to talk about mass effect.

And the irationality I was refering to was the fact that the BSN was told, multiple times, that there would not be a new ending, and still act like there was going to be a new ending and that this dlc is or was going to have it and that bioware somehow betrayed their word on changing the ending.

Well if you look at all the dev promises pre-release, I can't really blame them for not trusting anything they say. And in some cases, it's just an issue of "blind hope dies the hardest."

[Eterna]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

personally i think it is pretty rude to tell people what and what not to buy thats just my opinion though

Is it's rude to tell people to stop smoking because it might kill them?

Yes. I'd be pretty pissed if some random dude came over to me and "told" me to put the cigarette out for my own safety.

Agreed.

I agree unless you're a dickwad smokeing around children. Then I'm going to make a stink and ask them to put out the cancer stick. 

I see it far too much on public transit, Mothers with their toddlers having to sit next to some dick who's smoking in a no smoking zone. Makes me sick. 

[epenthesis]

FlamingBoy wrote...
1. Because human rights have no relevance in the debate, the only reason to bring it in a argument is to distract the argument, it denotes a emotional response of the  "poor suffering people". to suggest something isn't worth some one else time has no value because the person believes it to be worth his time.

I'll skip the other two. I don't want to further bog the thread down, so I'll just say I didn't mean to evoke that kind of response. The OP talking about collective action like he's some kind of labor leader is a little ridiculous, which is what I was going for. It was one thing when the game was new, everyone was pissed and there was plenty of opportunity to fix it in DLC--now that ship has well and truly sailed.

[Ryoten]

The only people who will be buying this DLC are the vocal minority. The ones who do everything in their power to try to make the world see that ME3 was a brilliant game. And as always, fail miserably.

[Ghost]

Eterna5 wrote...

No, I'm buying this.