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[ggghhhxxxpuf]

With the talk about female pirates I'm reminded of that chinese female pirate who terrorized chinese waters and had an army of one thousand ships and quite A LOT of men under her command.
Good times.

People sure like to underestimate women, a lot.

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

I responded to your post as it was only a list female antagonists, and they weren't typecasted into villainous roles the way males were like rapists or serial killers. Excluding her using magic to trap the villager's souls in the Fade, how is the Baroness a worse serial killer than Quentin who cut countless women to pieces, and Keldar who brutalized elven chidren? Plus did Jarvia sexually assault the female warden?

The Baroness murdered many villagers in blood magic rituals to maintain her own youth. And Jarvia, well, didn't succeed in sexually assaulting the female Warden, but Alrik didn't succeed in raping Ella as well.

IIRC It's implied in the dialogue that Alrik is not a one time offender, along with Karras, and Vaughn. Also contrast the Baroness who was given villagers as a sacrafice to Keldar, and Quentin who's assaults on girls/women are the main subjects of their quests, and are not treated as an afterthought. 

Yeah it's conjecture on my part about the Imperial Chantry, yet it's telling that we have yet to hear of any casses of assault by members of a female dominated clergy.

Or, here's a shock, maybe Bioware just doesn't want to ****** off Catholics by making what would definitely be seen as cheap shots based on actual IRL scandals? I don't even like the Catholic Church and I'd see that as being in poor taste.

The Catholic denomination is not the only religious institution where there's abuse.

Hadriana is given the Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer story by Orana to the pc, whereas magisters like Danarius, Caladrius, Titus(comic), Corypheus lack any such treatment even after death. Now toss in Maevaris(married Varric's cousin) being helpful to Varric and co in contrast to Titus the antagonist.

Comic canon I'm unfamiliar with, and I've never heard Orana talk about that.

It's one of Orana's responses to the pc, when she states her sympathy for Hadriana.

Who spent ten years as KC of Kirkwall with no mention of abuse before the lyrium idol was sold to her? Now contrast her to Karras, Alrik who even she disagreed with his plan, Ser Mettin, pre Act 3 Cullen, and Lambert her superior. All of them unfortunately lacked the lyrium idol to warp their minds.

No mention? She was a brutal tyrant the whole way through, the idol just made her worse.

She was  KC for 10 years before she bought the idol, with no mention of abuse from the populace despite her being a hard@ss.  Toss in the lyrium idol, then Act 2 starts, and now you have Grace, and co being horrified that their staves were confiscated. 

Meredith must of been some Tyrant before the idol if staves being confiscated is considered an unbearable living condition?

Who's were described out of love for Merrill.(shoddy writing) Please explain why most of hostility is depicted through Ilen, Pol's reaction, the hunter on Sundermount during the first visit, and the male dominated lynch mob at act3?

Described by an abomination, which people seem surprisingly quick to trust. Also, Ilen had been previously established as the craftmaster in DAO, as a male. Pol had also been established as male as the only city elf convert to the Dalish, which was its own plot point, and the lynch mob included the whole clan. That one obnoxious hunter was alone.

In act 2 after Pol dies Merrill confronts Marethari about his behaviour. Marethari tells her she revealed to the clan that she was a dangerous blood mage, and hoped that it would make Merrill see the error of her ways, and return home to her family.(lol wtf?) Marethari's warped love is the very reason she became an abomination.

As Hawke i took the blame so i  witnessed around 5 males, and one female confrontiong the party after Marethari's death, in combination with the other instances of hostility towards Merrill,  the portrayal seemed disproportionate. 

I'd like to see the writers shake, and mix up the portrayals of social issues, criminal offenders as Thedas' issues should be wholly different from irl Medieval societies as the latter was male dominated in philosophy, monarchy, religion, warfare, and politics.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 février 2013 - 07:01 .

[Uccio]

Xilizhra wrote...

Did to me I'm afraid. Sorry but I just kept thinking that a woman of her phsyicality wouldn't be able to be on a boat for weeks on end with a group of men without some serious problems. It didn't seem plausable even in a fantasy setting, especially with how promiscuous she was.

She can outfight anyone on it and is a skilled leader to boot. And she was probably relatively selective about crew.

Her appearance makes me think of playboy bunny, not arrr! pirate. That jiggling was too much (as fun it was to watch).

[SpunkyMonkey]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Soooo... How does your body know if your sack has been emptied by a woman or by yourself? Is it a psychological need more than a physical one?

I'm sorry, I just find this interesting. Also, the neccessary component in rape is that the man feels he has a right to the woman. As you state, you are no rapist and yet you have the same biological urges as a medival pirate. Men can choose not to act on a physical advantage, and, in the DA setting, they don't even have that. To use your example with the dragon, people are actually starving to death despite there being food close by. I wouldn't engage the dragon. I would wait and hope (and probably die). Most people would.

It's just an instinct, and a very, very powerful one which can easily overide logic in the right situation (eg away at sea amongst fellow cutthroats, murders and rapists)

I may have the same urges as a medival pirate, but I don't live in an era or environment like them and have been brought up differently. Heck a hundred years ago you could marry a 13 year old and it was acceptable to sleep with one if married, so I'm sure in a medival environment amongst pirates rape isn't a tabboo subject or frowned upon.

I think you really underestimate the power of human instinct, and the fact that you think you would still be able to control yourself so well after 5 days without food proves that.

If Isabella was "one of the gang" and not so overly-sexual then I could believe it more. Or if she was like that but not a commander then I could believe it more too. But the character she portayed in DA:2 just didn't strike me as someone who would command the respect of a crew full of cuthroats.

Sutekh wrote...

It's a common belief among psychiatrists, sociologists, anthropologists, law enforcement, medical staff and overall everyone being in contact with it professionally, or studying it.

I'm no psychiatrist, so here's some links:

http://en.wikipedia....sexual_violence
www.rapecrisis.org.uk/whymythsexist2.php
ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx

Anyway, in this case (medieval-ish culture, men on a ship etc...) where today's psycho-sociolology isn't quite applicable, I'll wager that if the woman surrounded by men is herself in a position of power, then men around her would refrain and use their self-control not to give in to those urges (after all, you said it yourself, you're not a rapist, so it is controllable). Think of the number of times a queen was on the field surrounded by her own army. So it's not far-fetched that Isabela, being the captain (sole master on board), would be considered completely off-limits. Much like Asha in ASoIaF, surrounded by men who otherwise rape and plunder almost professionally.

(Also, DAO's Isabela was as overtly sexual as DA2's. There's no personality change, they're absolutely the same person.)

I can only talk about my own personal instinct as a man and several days without sex turns the brain down and the lust drive up - whatever the reasoning or science behind it.

Was I a cuthroat pirate who had been raised in such a way that I had no regards for life, feelings or morals then why would I deny that instinct? Fear is probably the only reason, but as I've said fear of Isabella may be one thing if we're to believe she's a "super-rogue", but I'm sure there would be many other pirates I wouldn't be afraid of and competing against them for her affections would just lead to constant conflict.

And a Queen, someone who would have armies at her or her husbands command, being respected by soldiers who have a totally different moral compass to pirates is a totally different ball game.

ggghhhxxxpuf wrote...

With the talk about female pirates
I'm reminded of that chinese female pirate who terrorized chinese waters
and had an army of one thousand ships and quite A LOT of men under her
command.
Good times.

People sure like to underestimate women, a lot.

As I've said though, it's not the fact that she's female that I find implausable at all - that I could easily believe. It's the fact that she's overtly sexual and extremly "bimbo-ised" yet commands that kind of respect and isn't a lust object for her crew.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 28 février 2013 - 07:28 .

[Lazengan]

Female writers write the characters, Female artists draw female characters in their outfits

I see no problems here

[Ianamus]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

As I've said though, it's not the fact that she's female that I find implausable at all - that I could easily believe. It's the fact that she's overtly sexual and extremly "bimbo-ised" yet commands that kind of respect and isn't a lust object for her crew.

You're assuming that she was the only female on the ship. Considering how gender equal Thedas seems to be half of the crew could have been female. 

[SpunkyMonkey]

EJ107 wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

As I've said though, it's not the fact that she's female that I find implausable at all - that I could easily believe. It's the fact that she's overtly sexual and extremly "bimbo-ised" yet commands that kind of respect and isn't a lust object for her crew.

You're assuming that she was the only female on the ship. Considering how gender equal Thedas seems to be half of the crew could have been female. 

I'm just going on the evidence which we saw in DA - I might be wrong but I can only recall male crew members shown or mentioned? I'm just applying that percentage to the rest of the crew.

And lets not forget that those females could also be lesbian or bi-sexual - it does not negate the lust issue over someone so overly sexual (even though granted it does water down the potential rape factor considerably)

But again it feels odd - what's more likely a mixed or female crew or an all male one? If I were to say to you "pirate crew" most people would picture an all-male one. Again it makes things odd and out of place.

My whole point is about how strange it feels to have such an overly sexual person in Isabella head a pirate ship without any investment in the  explanation or plausability of that.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 28 février 2013 - 08:09 .

[Sutekh]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Was I a cuthroat pirate who had been raised in such a way that I had no regards for life, feelings or morals then why would I deny that instinct? Fear is probably the only reason, but as I've said fear of Isabella may be one thing if we're to believe she's a "super-rogue", but I'm sure there would be many other pirates I wouldn't be afraid of and competing against them for her affections would just lead to constant conflict.

Ship mentality, without which no ship with a crew could have ever sailed successfully. The captain is sole master onboard, as long as s/he has the respect of his/her men. Especially true among pirates for the very reason they were basically unruly. DIscipline on board was often harsher than your average merchant ship, or even military (If we believe the literature. I haven't met any pirate IRL)

Now, I'll give you that if Isabela were to ever lose that respect, she could be in deep, deep trouble. As would any pirate captain.

And a Queen, someone who would have armies at her or her husbands command, being respected by soldiers who have a totally different moral compass to pirates is a totally different ball game.

Not so sure about the "moral compass" of the average medieval soldier, considering they often committed plunder, raping, burning and other merry slaughtering. I really think it's that automatic respect and obedience that a leader receives and which puts him / her above and off limits.

As I've said though, it's not the fact that she's female that I find implausable at all - that I could easily believe. It's the fact that she's overtly sexual and extremly "bimbo-ised" yet commands that kind of respect and isn't a lust object for her crew.

About that, Isabela addresses the question in-game, and says that she's established serious boundaries and never ever sleeps with a member of her crew. So she may be overtly sexual on dry land, but on her ship, she is not.

And you think she's bimbo-ized? For me, she's as far from a bimbo as possible, no matter her boobs and her lack of pants. That's one of the reasons why I like her; the contrast between her stereotyped appearance and what she really is. Must be a matter of perception .

Modifié par Sutekh, 28 février 2013 - 08:21 .

[Solmanian]

Gender equality isn't as rempant on thedas as people seem to think. 99% of the soldiers we encounter are men. Most of the templars are man. Just about everybody working on the docks are man. Women like meredith, aveline (the original and the contemporary), etc seem to be the exception not the rule.

[Degs29]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

So I just read this article on gamespot and considering that the Dragon Age series has an all female writing staff and appeals mostly to females and male feminists I was just wondering what your thoughts on this were and what you think of the role of women in the Dragon Age series?

Is this really what women (and male feminists) like to believe? That the male power base is so afraid of strong women that they must reinforce the status quo by depicting females in video games as either sex objects or relegating them to "second-tier roles"?

I'm seriously confused....

You'd think that an all female writing staff that "appeals mostly to females and male feminists" would be unconcerned with a male power base being afraid of strong women.  I very much enjoy strong women in video games.  Case in point, Miranda of Mass Effect.  She's a very strong and intelligent woman, capable of leading both men and women and making the big decisions.  I wanted to see her rise to replace TIM in ME3 (obviously that didn't happen) and become a major ally of Shepard.  But wait a minute...isn't she the epitome of sexual gratification?  Honestly, people who can't see past that drivel drive me nuts.  Women have boobs, are shapely, and will forever appeal sexually to men.  It's part of who a woman is.  The only problem comes from when it is depicted as all a woman is.

Modifié par Degs29, 28 février 2013 - 08:39 .

[ejoslin]

Degs29 wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

So I just read this article on gamespot and considering that the Dragon Age series has an all female writing staff and appeals mostly to females and male feminists I was just wondering what your thoughts on this were and what you think of the role of women in the Dragon Age series?

Is this really what women (and male feminists) like to believe? That the male power base is so afraid of strong women that they must reinforce the status quo by depicting females in video games as either sex objects or relegating them to "second-tier roles"?

I'm seriously confused....

You'd think that an all female writing staff that "appeals mostly to females and male feminists" would be unconcerned with a male power base being afraid of strong women.  I very much enjoy strong women in video games.  Case in point, Miranda of Mass Effect.  She's a very strong and intelligent woman, capable of leading both men and women and making the big decisions.  I wanted to see her rise to replace TIM in ME3 (obviously that didn't happen) and become a major ally of Shepard.  But wait a minute...isn't she the epitome of sexual gratification?  Honestly, people who can't see past that drivel drive me nuts.  Women have boobs, are shapely, and will forever appeal sexually to men.  It's part of who a woman is.  The only problem comes from when it is depicted as all a woman is.

The Dragon Age series is not exclusively written by females. Where on earth did anyone get that idea? There are women on the staff, as there are men, and the lead writer is a man.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 février 2013 - 09:21 .

[Fredward]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

As I've said though, it's not the fact that she's female that I find implausable at all - that I could easily believe. It's the fact that she's overtly sexual and extremly "bimbo-ised" yet commands that kind of respect and isn't a lust object for her crew.

You're assuming that she was the only female on the ship. Considering how gender equal Thedas seems to be half of the crew could have been female. 

I'm just going on the evidence which we saw in DA - I might be wrong but I can only recall male crew members shown or mentioned? I'm just applying that percentage to the rest of the crew.

And lets not forget that those females could also be lesbian or bi-sexual - it does not negate the lust issue over someone so overly sexual (even though granted it does water down the potential rape factor considerably)

But again it feels odd - what's more likely a mixed or female crew or an all male one? If I were to say to you "pirate crew" most people would picture an all-male one. Again it makes things odd and out of place.

My whole point is about how strange it feels to have such an overly sexual person in Isabella head a pirate ship without any investment in the  explanation or plausability of that.

Isabela revels in her sexuality, she doesn't shove her vagina in peoples faces. And I don't think sex appeal and authority are mutually exclusive. Like someone else mentioned if she LOST that respect there might be an issue like there would be for any female captain no matter how demure/uptight and considering how things work in Thedas a not insignificant amount of male captains too.

Also. Comparing lack of sex with starvation is the most ludicrous thing I have ever ****ing read.

[ejoslin]

Edit: Edited out a rant trying to explain how a woman can be sexy and still command respect (the people this is aimed at wouldn't understand anyway) -- however, instead of having dead space, I'll put in a further response about the claim that the Dragon Age series has an all female writing staff.

DAO's writers:

David Galder, Ferret Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Daniel Erickson, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Krisjanson, Jay Turner

DA2 writers: 

David Galder, Ferrett Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Kristjanson

This does not include, as far as I know, the assistants or the editors which I imagine are not all female either.  I can't give a list for DA3 as that's not out yet, but obviously, there are both males and females writing the series.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 février 2013 - 09:41 .

[Dabrikishaw]

Entertaining read so far.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Sutekh wrote...

Ship mentality, without which no ship with a crew could have ever sailed successfully. The captain is sole master onboard, as long as s/he has the respect of his/her men. Especially true among pirates for the very reason they were basically unruly. DIscipline on board was often harsher than your average merchant ship, or even military (If we believe the literature. I haven't met any pirate IRL)

Now, I'll give you that if Isabela were to ever lose that respect, she could be in deep, deep trouble. As would any pirate captain.

Not so sure about the "moral compass" of the average medieval soldier, considering they often committed plunder, raping, burning and other merry slaughtering. I really think it's that automatic respect and obedience that a leader receives and which puts him / her above and off limits.

About that, Isabela addresses the question in-game, and says that she's established serious boundaries and never ever sleeps with a member of her crew. So she may be overtly sexual on dry land, but on her ship, she is not.

And you think she's bimbo-ized? For me, she's as far from a bimbo as possible, no matter her boobs and her lack of pants. That's one of the reasons why I like her; the contrast between her stereotyped appearance and what she really is. Must be a matter of perception .

There's some good counter-points there, but sorry I just don't buy into it all and I'm actually surprized that so many do.

Isabella's character is, for me, just not believable all-round and undermines the female role. Like you say mate it's probably a matter of perception, but to me she really doesn't like someone I'd take orders from lol, nor have much respect for, nor someone who would make an idea pirate leader. Each to their own though

Foopydoopydoo wrote...


Isabela revels in her sexuality, she doesn't shove her vagina in peoples faces. And I don't think sex appeal and authority are mutually exclusive. Like someone else mentioned if she LOST that respect there might be an issue like there would be for any female captain no matter how demure/uptight and considering how things work in Thedas a not insignificant amount of male captains too.

Also. Comparing lack of sex with starvation is the most ludicrous thing I have ever ****ing read.

I guess you don't have that high a sex drive. Primal human instinct is far more powerful than you give it credit for, when conditioned by modern day standards it can be controlled, but in wilder days and wilder circles such as pirates I really doubt that it was.

As a 15-18 y/o teen I would very often want to go out and start a fight if I'd not been with a woman for some time and I'd been to the pub for a drink (not too unheard of amonst pirates). "Going out for a f*** or a fight" as they say. It's not big or clever, but I'm just being honest and saying I wanted to put myself about and show off in order to pull women. Had you given an 18 y/o me a few weeks/months at sea with a buxom girl like Isabella on the ship there's no way I'd have been doing anything other than trying to get with her. Just my POV and instinct though.

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Edited out a rant trying to explain
how a woman can be sexy and still command respect (the people this is
aimed at wouldn't understand anyway) -- however, instead of having dead
space, I'll put in a further response about the claim that the Dragon
Age series has an all female writing staff.

DAO's writers:

David Galder, Ferret Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Daniel Erickson, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Krisjanson, Jay Turner

DA2 writers: 

David Galder, Ferrett Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Kristjanson

This
does not include, as far as I know, the assistants or the editors which
I imagine are not all female either.  I can't give a list for DA3 as
that's not out yet, but obviously, there are both males and females
writing the series.

That means nothing though, a female writer writing what her perception of a leader is doesn't mean that is a valid perception, and you also have to factor in how she is designed graphically.

Many failed leaders will tell you themselves that they were greatr leaders - I'm sure if Nixon wrote a president character he would claim it was great - that doesn't make it so.

And AGAIN I am not saying I don't find sexy female leaders plausable, I find one particular one implausable because of a combination of her sexuality, proffesion, environment and actions.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 28 février 2013 - 09:58 .

[Commander Kurt]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...
I'm not trying to be flippant (in this post, maybe a bit in the previous ones), but now you've got me confused. You cite game mechanic's and setting as excuses for human nature not applying to men, but game mechanic's and setting is not a reason for human nature to not apply to women? Uh... Why?

No. Where did you read that?

I cite the game's mechanics as not depicting Dragon Age lore accurately. What happens on screen is a playable representation of the game's reality, it can not be seen as what is actually happening. A dagger to the heart is deadly in Thedas, the fact that gameplay mechanics do not reflect this does not change that.

We're talking lore, not mechanics.

I do not see what magic has to do with human nature not applying to anyone.

It is as much human nature for a man to have a major problem with a cracked skull or failing to throw fireballs as it is human nature for a woman to be physically weaker than a man or forego fighting for baring children. Your argument is that the former examples of blatant non-realism is okay due to the setting (where magic exists) while the latter is NOT okay despite the setting (where women and men are equal). Why?

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 28 février 2013 - 09:56 .

[ejoslin]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I guess you don't have that high a sex drive. Primal human instinct is far more powerful than you give it credit for, when conditioned by modern day standards it can be controlled, but in wilder days and wilder circles such as pirates I really doubt that it was.

As a 15-18 y/o teen I would very often want to go out and start a fight if I'd not been with a woman for some time. It's not big or clever, but I'm just being honest and saying I wanted to put myself about and show off in order to pull women. Had you given an 18 y/o me a few weeks/months at sea with a buxom girl like Isabella on the ship there's no way I'd have been doing anything other than trying to get with her. Just my POV though.

Well, you're assuming that her crew are all young.  And you're assuming that you wouldn't have been tossed over the side, or if not acting too poorly, left on shore if you did that -- but you probably would have been hurt quite badly first.  My guess is that behavior could not be tolerated and have order maintained.  A good leader would realize that and take steps to ensure it didn't happen, and if someone tried, she'd have to not only nip it in the bud immediately, but make sure that the reprucussions were harsh enough that other men who may be inclined to do so would have second thoughts.

Also, if the majority of her crew respected her, chances are if someone really was able to overpower her, he'd have to deal with a lot of the men as well.  They may well be out to rape women of others, but their own? No way most men would let that happen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 février 2013 - 10:00 .

[Zkyire]

Solmanian wrote...

Gender equality isn't as rempant on thedas as people seem to think. 99% of the soldiers we encounter are men. Most of the templars are man. Just about everybody working on the docks are man. Women like meredith, aveline (the original and the contemporary), etc seem to be the exception not the rule.

Men being the cannon fodder and women given the leadership roles.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Not to mention that they periodically land and as we see in Origins, she lets them have fun (and probably joins in).

Not that uncontrollable sex drive is a leading cause of rape as have been argued, but there's not much point in arguing over that point again.

[Commander Kurt]

Filament wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Soooo... How does your body know if your sack has been emptied by a woman or by yourself?

I chose a great place to start reading this thread again.

Haha, sorry about that. Too damned curious for my own good...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zkyire wrote...
Men being the cannon fodder and women given the leadership roles.

Emperor Drakon, Viscount Dumar, the Arishok, Duncan, Maric, First Warden, Endrin, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Paragon Aeducan, Eamon, Loghain, Bryce, Gregoir, Irving, Zathrian, Kolgrim, Tevinter Archons....etc.

Plenty of men in leadership roles too. 

[Commander Kurt]

Zkyire wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

Gender equality isn't as rempant on thedas as people seem to think. 99% of the soldiers we encounter are men. Most of the templars are man. Just about everybody working on the docks are man. Women like meredith, aveline (the original and the contemporary), etc seem to be the exception not the rule.

Men being the cannon fodder and women given the leadership roles.

To be fair, the Landsmeet in DA:O was a total sausage fest.

[ejoslin]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Edited out a rant trying to explain
how a woman can be sexy and still command respect (the people this is
aimed at wouldn't understand anyway) -- however, instead of having dead
space, I'll put in a further response about the claim that the Dragon
Age series has an all female writing staff.

DAO's writers:

David Galder, Ferret Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Daniel Erickson, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Krisjanson, Jay Turner

DA2 writers: 

David Galder, Ferrett Baudoin, Sheryl Chee, Jennifer Brandes Hepler, Mary Kirby, Luke Kristjanson

This
does not include, as far as I know, the assistants or the editors which
I imagine are not all female either.  I can't give a list for DA3 as
that's not out yet, but obviously, there are both males and females
writing the series.

That means nothing though, a female writer writing what her perception of a leader is doesn't mean that is a valid perception, and you also have to factor in how she is designed graphically.

Many failed leaders will tell you themselves that they were greatr leaders - I'm sure if Nixon wrote a president character he would claim it was great - that doesn't make it so.

And AGAIN I am not saying I don't find sexy female leaders plausable, I find one particular one implausable because of a combination of her sexuality, proffesion, environment and actions.

It means that DAO was not written by an exclusively female writing staff as was directly stated a few posts before this one.  Which is what I was responding to in this post.

Edit: I decided to stop trying to convince anyone that rape is more about dominance and that women have very powerful sex drives as well which doesn't get in the way of other aspects of our lives.  If you can't see a sexy, strong woman in a powerful leadership role commanding respect, nothing I say will change your mind.  you just have a very different world view than I do.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 février 2013 - 10:06 .

[SpunkyMonkey]

ejoslin wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I guess you don't have that high a sex drive. Primal human instinct is far more powerful than you give it credit for, when conditioned by modern day standards it can be controlled, but in wilder days and wilder circles such as pirates I really doubt that it was.

As a 15-18 y/o teen I would very often want to go out and start a fight if I'd not been with a woman for some time. It's not big or clever, but I'm just being honest and saying I wanted to put myself about and show off in order to pull women. Had you given an 18 y/o me a few weeks/months at sea with a buxom girl like Isabella on the ship there's no way I'd have been doing anything other than trying to get with her. Just my POV though.

Well, you're assuming that her crew are all young.  And you're assuming that you wouldn't have been tossed over the side, or if not acting too poorly, left on shore if you did that -- but you probably would have been hurt quite badly first.  My guess is that behavior could not be tolerated and have order maintained.  A good leader would realize that and take steps to ensure it didn't happen.

I stated the younger example of me because I've been in a relationship for 8 years now, if I hadn't I can't honestly say if I' still be like that or not. I do know lads 30-50 who are still like that though.

And It's only so long before things like that turn into a mutiny IMO. You're right about a good leader, but would pirates have a female put in front of them with a chest like Isabellas and pay much attention to her rules or instructions?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 28 février 2013 - 10:06 .

[Zkyire]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
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Emperor
Drakon, Viscount Dumar, the Arishok, Duncan, Maric, First Warden,
Endrin, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Paragon Aeducan, Eamon, Loghain, Bryce,
Gregoir, Irving, Zathrian, Kolgrim, Tevinter Archons....etc.

Plenty of men in leadership roles too. 

It was in response to the post that most people in Thedas militaries were men (i.e. the grunts) but the few women we see are usually in command positions, hell even Mhairi(sp?) spoke well and was well equipped, meaning she wasn't of the rank and file - and she wasn't even a Warden then).

Commander Kurt wrote...

To be fair, the Landsmeet in DA:O was a total sausage fest.

It was, which honestly confused me a bit. Stop poking holes in my theory!