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[Rovay]

- I like ME 3 the best of all trilogy, including the endings.
- Crucible is a fine and logical way to end the Reaper threat.
- I like ME 3 squad the most (could use more Grunt in it though).
- ME 2 squadmates roles in ME 3 were fine (except Grunt's and Miranda's could use better explanation).
- Miranda should always die on Sanctuary.
- SM should always force you to sacrifice squadmates, loyalty and such just minimise casualties.
- I like EDI's body and Ash's new look.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

There's one for me.

I liked both Harbinger and Sovereign. Sovereign presumed you were merely another organic dumbf*ck, and was really badass - when he spoke, it was a fact that eradication is imminent.

Harbinger also is badass, for he does not underestimate you. He knows what you are capable of and HATES you. When you leave the collector base, there is the purest form of hate in his voice, as he says "Human, you've changed nothing...."

I think Anderson is the most unnecessary character in the entire franchise, next to his boyfriend Udina. Their screentime overall was just too low.

Destroy is the worst ending, it is the least I'd choose, I'd even prefer Synthesis over it.

Admiral Hackett is a pretty cool guy.

Thane's death was a little early and I still wonder how he could lose against Leng and why Shepard's squad didn't attack Leng during that sequence, but his death was perfect. Manly tears, lads. Manly tears.

Legion is the most fascinating character in the entire trilogy, the only one who really feels alien, but also at the same time the one that feels most human. If they'd make a game just with Legion, I'd buy it three times with all DLCs.

I never liked the Asari. None of them. Except for Samara, the only character with depth.

The dead Reaper orbiting Menae had the best music in the history of video games after the first encounter with Legion.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 24 février 2013 - 05:26 .

[MegaSovereign]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Reaper IFF is the single worst mission of the entire trilogy.

You mean you don't like being cluster-****ed by husks?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Reaper IFF is the single worst mission of the entire trilogy.

You mean you don't like being cluster-****ed by husks?

I thought it was great how in ME3 Garrus talks about how much he hated that mission.

Yeah. As if he only used sniper rifles.

What did I give you the mattock and squad cryo ammo for, silly Turian?

[Unschuld]

-Killed the rachni queen, every playthrough. Never trust giant alien insects. Especially not ones with psychic powers or acid for blood. Same with the cloned one in 3 (which regardless of leanings is the right decision).

-I dislike both Jack and Miranda, so out the airlock they went.

In the case of Jack, Shepard "forgot" that the Normandy armor could use an upgrade. Whoops. Miranda, after Shepard proved himself trustworthy and willing to help with all her little "pwobleeems", refused to tell Shepard anything in 3 (again) regarding what she was up do besides that she needed access to classified data. Um, no. Dead at the end of Sanctuary, nothing of value lost.

-Legion's biased painting of the Geth as "victims" in the consensus (after numbers show 99% of a species was killed off in the process of "defending themselves") accrued no sympathy from me. Either the Quarians & Geth make piece in my playthroughs or the Geth get shown the ax.

-Oddly enough, I usually don't punch Gerrel either.

-I hate EDI's new body. Not because it's "too sexy" and an obvious nod towards Joker's objectophilia, but because it leads to the possibility of a scene where the Normandy swoops down in front of a reaper to medivac... a fembot avatar of itself. Wat.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Unschuld wrote...



-I dislike both Jack and Miranda, so out the airlock they went.

In the case of Jack, Shepard "forgot" that the Normandy armor could use an upgrade. Whoops. Miranda, after Shepard proved himself trustworthy and willing to help with all her little "pwobleeems", refused to tell Shepard anything in 3 (again) regarding what she was up do besides that she needed access to classified data. Um, no. Dead at the end of Sanctuary, nothing of value lost.

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I wish I could do the same with Liara.

[Dr_Extrem]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...



-I dislike both Jack and Miranda, so out the airlock they went.

In the case of Jack, Shepard "forgot" that the Normandy armor could use an upgrade. Whoops. Miranda, after Shepard proved himself trustworthy and willing to help with all her little "pwobleeems", refused to tell Shepard anything in 3 (again) regarding what she was up do besides that she needed access to classified data. Um, no. Dead at the end of Sanctuary, nothing of value lost.

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I wish I could do the same with Liara.

play low ems and watch her burn

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...



-I dislike both Jack and Miranda, so out the airlock they went.

In the case of Jack, Shepard "forgot" that the Normandy armor could use an upgrade. Whoops. Miranda, after Shepard proved himself trustworthy and willing to help with all her little "pwobleeems", refused to tell Shepard anything in 3 (again) regarding what she was up do besides that she needed access to classified data. Um, no. Dead at the end of Sanctuary, nothing of value lost.

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I wish I could do the same with Liara.

play low ems and watch her burn

Yes, but then I have to stand through her nastyness the entire series.

[Han Shot First]

elitecom wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
ME1's main plot was always a little wonky for me, because it revolves around Saren attacking Eden Prime to access a Prothean beacon which reveals the location of the Conduit, which in turn allows him to jump into the Citadal.

The problem is that the game starts with Saren as a Spectre who already had access to the Presidium (as did his indoctrinated commandos), and no one as yet had any knowledge about indoctrination or Reapers. Had he simply attacked from the inside, no one would have seen him coming. Also, he already a Prothean beacon on Virmire.

Because of ME1's plot oddities I always wondered whether originally Saren wasn't supposed to be a Spectre, and the decision to make him one was a late addition to the script. His needing the Conduit makes sense if he's not a Spectre.

I do like ME1 and was able to overlook all of that because it is a fun ride, but I also like pointing out its problems whenever someone mentions the game's 'flawless writing.' That sometimes counts as an unpopular opinion around these parts.

Except that Bioware devs already debunked that "plot hole" of yours. Saren was a Spectre but even a Spectre cannot do whatever he wants and assume that he can get away with it. In other words if he had tried to walk into the council chambers and tried to take control, C-Sec would've taken him down. If you bring Wrex along with up to the council chambers you can even hear him commenting on the lack of apparent security and he goes on betting that there are 10 snipers or so watching your every move.

I believe the Bioware dev likened a Spectre to a CIA or secret service agent, the agent cannot just walk into a highly sensitive area and attempt to take control without expecting to be stopped.

 

Bioware may have made an attempt at debunking that plot hole but it was one that failed.

Saren manages to seize control of the Citadel which a small force of Geth, all of whom would have immediately been tagged as hostiles the moment they jumped through the Conduit. Anything that Saren could have done with the Geth he could have also done with indoctrinated Asari commandos. The difference is that had Saren not gotten himself declared rogue by ttacking Eden Prime, neither he or the commandos would have been flagged as hostile until they launched the attack on Citadel Control.

There is also the problem of Saren attacking Eden Prime to access the Prothean beacon, when he already had a beacon on Virmire.

[jtav]

spirosz wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think Jacob cheating on Shep was in character.

Can you explain this one to me? 

He lacked committment in 2, and always seemed to have one foot out the door. He refuses to discuss his issues at all and the way he does it doesn't come across as "he has no issues" but "denial." He seemed more into Miranda than my FShep. The overall impression I got was of a man who would bail when the going got tough.

[L2 Sentinel]

This is one of the best threads on BSN with some great posts. I'm going to respond to some of my favorites.

Ykulnu wrote...

...I supported the Shopkeeper in ME3. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Me too. I didn't make the connection that it was the same guy, but after three years he needs to get over it. Saving your receipt is not a new concept.

Shadrach 88 wrote...

I also think Kaidan has some of the strongest moral fibre of all the ME squadmates.

Thank you for saying this. Obviously I totally agree.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ME3

-I feel the squad design was superior to the previous games, both in role and interaction.

-I feel ME3 had the best social/squadmate roleplaying of the trilogy.

I'm with you. The Normandy felt more alive and the team felt more cohesive in the third game

Han Shot First wrote...

8. The Mako was awesome, only the terrain sucked.

This is pretty much my stance on the mako as well. I liked it fine on plot missions. While on the topic of vehicles, I have no problem with the hammerhead.

IsaacShep wrote...

- Garrus relied way too much on memes and cool-factor in ME2 and especially ME3. How many times calibrations
joke has beed repeated in ME3? It's kind of like opposite of Wrex. Wrex was also "a cool character" in ME1, but he continued to develop throughout the trilogy while Garrus' character arc & developement pretty much started and finished in ME1. Then it was mostly about making Garrus even "cooler", funnier, badass, bro bro bro etc.

Well said. I like Garrus a lot, but I do think he is vastly overrated. His presence in ME3 is almost entirely "bro moments" with little developement or relevance to the plot. I was more drawn to Wrex because it feels like Shepard has to earn his respect and trust, and is capable of losing it.

Modifié par Rauhel, 24 février 2013 - 07:11 .

[MisterJB]

I can't disagree with anything The Illusive Man says.

[knightnblu]

I think that Ashley is a **** and that she lost her mind in ME2. I boot her behind off of the Normandy every chance that I get and only wish that I could tell her what I really think of her instead of the diplomatic, sappy crap Shepard spews when he does so.

[Jonathan Sud]

Sentient6 wrote...

Yate wrote...

but I honestly have no idea what the consensus on James is

sometimes BSN loves him, sometimes y'all hate his guts

I'm just really confused by him. Like the time he started using hispanic lingo. I was like o_0 he's Latino?? Worst accent since Keanu in Drakula.

Oh god, that wanna-be accent. It's sad because the voice actor is Puerto Rican.

[tevix]

@Deinonslayer

You make good points I had never considered. I guess I personally had never let the issue I had with quarians go since ME1. They created sentient beings, tried to kill them, then got mad that they fought back. Quarians never REALLY tried to achieve peace at any time. It bothered me (a lot) that legion went back on his word and wanted to exploit the reapers for his own gain. Rock and a hard place really. By the end of the rannoch mission I'm pretty unhappy with both of them. I don't trust the geth because of above reaper issue. I don't trust the quarians because they're arrogant stubborn stuck up blow hards who can't see past their own military rank. I don't like military leaders for this reason. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. The "I AM GOD HERE" attitude gets old real fast. This is the reasoning that goes through my mind.

@Thegreatdayne

Please don't take this rudely but...I think your kind of missing the point. The primary antagonist throught ME2 was Harbinger..a reaper. He was simply controlling/directing the reapers. And if you start halfway through a series and then say "Where'd that guy come from? I don't get it. I don't like it" it comes off a little strange. The whole thing started with the reapers in ME1.

@Han Shot First

The idea that ME's Saren plot might be a critical failure of a plot hole concnerned me, so I thought about for a minute. You say saren could just walk into the council chambers and open up the command console for Sovereign. Consider the following:

-Sovereign would have to be THERE..attacking the citadel. Saren walking into the council chambers and opening up a mysterious control panel would raise a lot of questions. Conversations would ensue, and/or he would probably just be shot by snipers in the room. I think the point was to use chaos as a destraction. Send in a geth army, a geth fleet, and when most of the resistance has been eliminated waltz into the chambers and hand over control, without delay.

[tevix]

Edit on my last post:

Haringer was simply controlling the COLLECTORS...not the reapers.

[BSpud]

IsaacShep wrote...
And no, [the Reapers are] not fine because "they're Lovecraftian". Lovecraftian villain(s) need Lovecraftian hero(s) and setting to work effectively, ME franchise was never that.

Have you read Robert E. Howard's Conan stories? HPL's peer created a precedent for "conventional" warriors beating Lovercraftian monsters and proved it could be done fabulously.

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 24 février 2013 - 08:42 .

[grey_wind]

Alright, I'm gonna add more to this:

- Liara is a bland waifu in ME1 and easily the least interesting squaddie in that game
- I like Garrus' arcs more in ME1 and 2 then his complete stagnation as a character in 3 (his forced bromance can also be rather jarring)
- Saren is the pinnacle of wasted potential as an antagonist.
- While I love the speech on Virmire, I don't care much for Sovereign.
- While not a great villain by any stretch of the imagination, I find Harbinger a more interesting antagonist than Sovereign.
- Samara > Liara
- I had no problem with the appearance of the Human Reaper (my only gripe with it was the "essence of a species" nonsense. I much preferred the cut content about destructive analysis).
- I liked Udina and Jacob (pre-ME3) as characters.
- Once past the emotional highs of Tuchanka and Rannoch, I find myself ambivalent towards them. The key characters who participate in them (Wrex, Mordin, Legion) are too damn inconsistent from their past incarnations.
- I hate Padok Wiks, as his existence completely undermines everything about Mordin and his growth as a character. I do not mind the Geth VI (even if it's implemented very poorly) because it at least makes peace on Rannoch impossible.

[DeinonSlayer]

tevix wrote...

@Deinonslayer

You make good points I had never considered. I guess I personally had never let the issue I had with quarians go since ME1. They created sentient beings, tried to kill them, then got mad that they fought back. Quarians never REALLY tried to achieve peace at any time. It bothered me (a lot) that legion went back on his word and wanted to exploit the reapers for his own gain. Rock and a hard place really. By the end of the rannoch mission I'm pretty unhappy with both of them. I don't trust the geth because of above reaper issue. I don't trust the quarians because they're arrogant stubborn stuck up blow hards who can't see past their own military rank. I don't like military leaders for this reason. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. The "I AM GOD HERE" attitude gets old real fast. This is the reasoning that goes through my mind.

The way I see it, the quarians who did all that in the morning war have been dead and gone for centuries. The ones we see now are paying the price for crap that happened generations before any of them were born. They're physiologically dependent on their native plant life, but the Geth have occupied their world and killed anyone who approached it for centuries. The Geth never tried to achieve peace, either - something Shepard can call Legion out on in ME2. There is little cause for trust on either side.

I never encourage a retreat from the system - I'm aware that (per the codex) it takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and if they do retreat, the Geth will simply stay under Reaper control. I also understand Gerrel's attack on the dreadnought - there's no telling how long it will stay offline (every geth on the ship is still hostile, and they'd be working on repairs). If they don't take this opportunity to destroy it now, it will go right back to tearing into your only allies in the system, and this time, no one will be able to stop it. I respect Gerrel. That said, Xen is crazy (brilliant, but crazy) and neither Raan nor Tali really deserve their ranks - to her credit, Tali at least recognizes it. I can't think of any non-Admiral quarian that I ever had a problem with, though (Dorn is the only one you speak to in ME3, and he tells you the civilians didn't want this war). I'm pressed to think of any non-Legion geth that I didn't have a problem with.

If you play around with the dialogue in Tali's loyalty mission, you get some interesting perspectives. When talking at the console, choose the paragon option first to discourage war, then the renegade option to ask why they haven't gone to war. She tells you that a big part of it is that many Quarians feel guilty for what was done to the Geth (per the Codex, it's something they (understandably) don't like to discuss with outsiders, but admit to themselves privately). The only reason they attack in ME3 is desperation - suffice to say, they have no chance against the Reapers without a planet; Rannoch is the only one that fits their needs, and the Geth weren't offering it. The only reason they press the attack in the end is because they believe destroying the Geth is the only way they'll survive (and if you have the Geth VI with you (a representative of what, historically, the Quarians were up against), they're absolutely right in that regard). Inform them that circumstances have changed, however, and they stand down - they're ultimately more interested in surviving than in destroying the Geth.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 février 2013 - 09:33 .

[ReptileSmile]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Legion is the most fascinating character in the entire trilogy, the only one who really feels alien, but also at the same time the one that feels most human. If they'd make a game just with Legion, I'd buy it three times with all DLCs.

I never liked the Asari. None of them. Except for Samara, the only character with depth.

I agree with both points wholeheartedly.

Anyway:

- I was fine with the way the geth changed their tune from ME2 to ME3.  I think it was just common sense and showed how "human" they can be.

- I think the asari are the absolute worst race ever created in science fiction.  And Liara is the worst character.

- I will almost always choose synthesis.

- I will never choose destroy.

- I find ME1 kind of boring.

- ME3 was awesome - endings and all.

- I like Edi and her body (and not because I am titilllated by it, I am a straight female.)

- I like James

- I despise Javik.  Suggest throwing my Legion out the airlock will you? *jettisoned*.  Also trolls make me *eyeroll*

- Kaidan is ok, and I kind of see his point of view when he is upset about the whole Cerberus thing.

- I like DA2 (but that may be because of Anders)

[Ned Starks Head]

- I liked all of my squadmates (including jacob.... except in ME3)

- ME2 is my favourite game of the trilogy

- For a while I couldn't stop listening to the arrival dlc soundtrack. I thought it was the best in the games and still do.

- I never found Tali attractive until ME2. Now she is my favourite. ALWAYS.

- Garrus was cool but very annoying in ME1.

- I like to **** my cat.

- Harbinger is the coolest reaper.

- Donnelly has the most attrocious scottish accent ever and I always cringe when he speaks. I should know because I am scottish. ''Islay'' is pronounced eye-la. Not e-lay.  ****g dobber.

[nrobbiec]

Ned Starks Head wrote...
- Donnelly has the most attrocious scottish accent ever and I always cringe when he speaks. I should know because I am scottish. ''Islay'' is pronounced eye-la. Not e-lay.  ****g dobber.

I'm so glad I'm not the only person who noticed that. Also the way he pronounces "murder" 

[Nelatherion]

Gangnam Style wrote...

Serious Post.

The Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod is stupid and horrible fanfiction and the EC endings are much better.

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