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[New Display Name]

Male Shepard with Traynor shower scene
Female Shepard and Steve Cortez Kiss

I'm working on modding romances in the game.
I wanted to do something small to start off, so I began with the conversation James has with Shepard in purgatory.
I changed a dialog conditional so that James flirts with male Shepard.
I'm going to update and post in this thread with what I discover and manage to do.

If you've got any suggestions as to possible modding ventures, feel free. I don't have many ideas beyond enabling romances for genders they previously weren't open to (Cortez with female Shepard, etc). If you have any modding tips or knowledge to share, please do so. And if you have any questions on how I'm doing what I'm doing, ask and I'll try to answer. Etc.

Modifié par HJF4, 01 avril 2013 - 12:05 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Neat, pretty cool.

Always like seeing stuff like this.

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Look, a comment.

Modifié par PKchu, 25 février 2013 - 10:20 .

[MageTarot]

HJ, I think this is going to be a very popular mod.

Can't wait to see what you come up with!!

[nrobbiec]

Nice. I would romance Vega, but well...

Modifié par nrobbiec, 25 février 2013 - 12:58 .

[Chashan]

Neat stuff there...was trying a bit less "elegant" approach for Femshep/Ashley. That being replacement of original Sheploo-dialogue still in place for Femshep. Most of the dialogue is simply mute on Femshep's part, sadly, as I have found.

How'd you go about lifting the gender-check from this particular one?

[New Display Name]

Chashan wrote...

Neat stuff there...was trying a bit less "elegant" approach for Femshep/Ashley. That being replacement of original Sheploo-dialogue still in place for Femshep. Most of the dialogue is simply mute on Femshep's part, sadly, as I have found.

How'd you go about lifting the gender-check from this particular one?

I viewed the appropriate file in PCC Editor 2.0 from Mass Effect 3 Explorer and then did some hex editing in HxD.

New:
I removed the gender conditional for the conversation Shepard has with Cortez in Purgatory.
No voice yet, but I'll research it. I'd need to find and possibly splice suitable prexisting dialog to begin with.

[New Display Name]

Removed gender conditionals in Traynor Chess/Shower conversation

[Llane]

Stop.

Stop and think about what you're doing.

Characters are created with a set sexuality. What you're doing, even if you didn't think about it that way, says you have no respect for what the developers intended, you don't care. Much, much worse is that you're changing the Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor romances. These characters are clearly established as homosexual. The LGBT community fought long and hard for this kind of inclusion and they still face plenty of discrimination. Forcing these characters into a heterosexual relationship is insulting beyond words.

[Didact2401]

It's a mod, no one's forcing anyone to install it.

[New Display Name]

I love Mass Effect, and that's why partly why I spend time modding it to enjoy it even more. The significance of the inclusion of homosexual romances is that a very popular game series launches with it and it exposes itself to the general gamer population and becomes part of popular culture.

Modding does not change that - remove the mods, and the game restores it's original content. Modding your game does not alter the experience for other players.

The point of these mods in particular is that players have an greater choice. Because most romances in Mass Effect are heterosexual (Ashley+ME2 Romances = 7), mods like this would ultimately mean that more gay and bisexual players would have more content to enjoy.

[Ashira Shepard]

I've come out of almost a year of hibernation because you need to stop.

Mods were made by the LGBT community because we didn't have any other choice. We weren't included, weren't considered valid enough to include as anything other than through alien sexual novelty. The Asari don't count, not properly, because they're "blue space babes" and they're available to everyone. (It comes down to the individual, sure, but as a species...)

Straight people, on the other hand, and anyone comfortable with playing heterosexual relationships, have had their preferences pandered to since forever.

We had to b!tch, loud and long, for anyone to listen. We all but banged plates together, jumping around like a bunch of desperate monkeys because "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE NOTICE US, WE EXIST!"

Others were probably more civilized about it, but you get the idea.

We didn't have a choice. We had Liara.

Lesbian or any sexuality that can be attracted to women? GREAT. Unless you or your Shepard just don't click with Liara. Because she was just a friend to me.

Gay Male? Well, looks like there's **** all for you.

And then ME3 rolled around with two human, legitimately gay characters. We're finally valid as people.

So there's 3 (4 if you really want to count Liara) choices for the LGBT community, which is still at odds with the majority of straight romances that can be found in Mass Effect. This number only went up from 1 choice (Liara) in ME3, the last instalment.

And you've decided that it's perfectly okay to invalidate the point of introducing Cortez and Traynor.

Not cool, man.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 25 février 2013 - 06:24 .

[Lenimph]

*face palm*
There's never enough holes to bone. <_<

[Camthalon]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Stuff

So basically, it's alright for you to demand what you want in the game because you want it, but not alright for the rest of us?  So much for equality.

[Ashira Shepard]

Camthalon wrote...

So basically, it's alright for you to demand what you want in the game because you want it, but not alright for the rest of us?  So much for equality.

"Stuff" to reference my point? Ha ha ha, you're very funny.

My point is that we did not have a choice in the matter.

You guys had plenty of romances to choose from before ME3 came out.

We had nothing. Besides Liara. Which I've explained.

[nrobbiec]

Dude, he also added Vega flirting with male Shepard...

Yeah it took a long time for same sex romances to come around but it's just a fan mod, it doesn't invalidate anything.

I'm lucky my preference is Kaidan and I play on PC so I can romance him as a male across the entire trilogy.

I don't feel invalidated that there's a hetero Steve mod.

Besides female players have Kelly and Allers for f/f romances as well.

Modifié par nrobbiec, 25 février 2013 - 06:50 .

[Redbelle]

HJF4 wrote...

Male Shepard with Traynor shower scene
Female Shepard and Steve Cortez Kiss

I'm working on modding romances in the game.
I wanted to do something small to start off, so I began with the conversation James has with Shepard in purgatory.
I changed a dialog conditional so that James flirts with male Shepard.
I'm going to update and post in this thread with what I discover and manage to do.

If you've got any suggestions as to possible modding ventures, feel free. I don't have many ideas beyond enabling romances for genders they previously weren't open to (Cortez with female Shepard, etc). If you have any modding tips or knowledge to share, please do so. And if you have any questions on how I'm doing what I'm doing, ask and I'll try to answer. Etc.

We can rebuild ME3! We have the technology!

That does not mean to say that all aspect's of ME3 should be rebuilt........ but.

Look, Some mod's I like because they build on ME3, or enhance it in some way. Other's like taking the same sex relationship's in ME3 and making them swing any which way..............

Without knowing more it sounds like something that's being done because IT CAN be done. Not because it enhance's romance side stories.

Maybe I'm wrong and there are woman who want to romance Cortez and Men who want to romance Traynor. But my view is that doing so is detrimental to 'their' character in the same way that DA2, having character's who were all, for all intent's and purposes, bi-sexual, resulted in a backlash in that the character's were deemed a little more 2 dimensional as a result of them existing to satisfy the need for the player romance aspect of gameplay.

I'm not saying this mod shouldn't be done. Only that you look at the character's in question and ask, does this mod take away or give more to their intended portrayel.

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 février 2013 - 06:54 .

[jsamlaw]

Llane wrote...

Stop.

Stop and think about what you're doing.

Characters are created with a set sexuality. What you're doing, even if you didn't think about it that way, says you have no respect for what the developers intended, you don't care. Much, much worse is that you're changing the Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor romances. These characters are clearly established as homosexual. The LGBT community fought long and hard for this kind of inclusion and they still face plenty of discrimination. Forcing these characters into a heterosexual relationship is insulting beyond words.

You do realize you're in the FAN CREATIONS forum right?  The very purpose of this forum is to modify the game to create possiblities NOT envisioned by BioWare.  Also, ever stop to think what the "B" in the LGBT acroymn stands for?  If someone mods Traynor or Cortez to accept the other sex, then they are bi-sexual, not heterosexual.  So take your angst somewhere else, please.

[Lenimph]

Taking out Sam's no to sheploo the boner of all things is definitely detrimental to her character. I don't really see a maybe. It's one thing if it was a character where you never got to flirt with and heard an answer from, which all gender locked romances pretty much were in the past, but it's another thing to deliberately knowingly change their choices. 

How can you really like and desire Sam if you can't even honor her own life choices. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 25 février 2013 - 07:00 .

[jsamlaw]

AshiraShepard wrote...

My point is that we did not have a choice in the matter.

You guys had plenty of romances to choose from before ME3 came out.

We had nothing. Besides Liara. Which I've explained.

These fan created mods only modify the game for those who choose to download it.  It doesn't affect your Traynor or your Cortez.  I'm a proponent of gays and lesbians having the right to marry for the very reason that what someone does is their bedroom is no one else's business -- particularly because it doesn't hurt anyone else.

These mods are exactly that -- changing what goes on in one player's game and is no other player's business.

I can't believe I'm actually seeing this sort of hypocritical outcry on a VIDEO GAME FORUM.

[Zjarcal]

Lenimph wrote...

Taking out Sam's no to sheploo the boner of all things is definitely detrimental to her character. I don't really see a maybe. It's one thing if it was a character where you never got to flirt with and heard an answer from, which all gender locked romances pretty much were in the past, but it's another thing to deliberately knowingly change their choices. 

How can you really like and desire Sam if you can't even honor her own life choices. 

Yeah, if a female character I liked explicitly said "hey, I don't date women, sorry, not into that", I'd never be comfortable using a mod that allowed you to romance them as a female.

Eh, then again, I have never liked this kind of mod, wasn't a fan of the Equal Love mod in DAO either.

[nrobbiec]

I would like to tack onto my post that I don't consider Kaidan bi, in my playthroughs there is nothing to suggest he likes women at all. Same goes for Shepard.

[Chashan]

jsamlaw wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

My point is that we did not have a choice in the matter.

You guys had plenty of romances to choose from before ME3 came out.

We had nothing. Besides Liara. Which I've explained.

These fan created mods only modify the game for those who choose to download it.  It doesn't affect your Traynor or your Cortez.  I'm a proponent of gays and lesbians having the right to marry for the very reason that what someone does is their bedroom is no one else's business -- particularly because it doesn't hurt anyone else.

These mods are exactly that -- changing what goes on in one player's game and is no other player's business.

I can't believe I'm actually seeing this sort of hypocritical outcry on a VIDEO GAME FORUM.

Seconding that. Don't like it - don't bother delving into it, much less download it, which only happens of one's own volition.

Liara being the only "true" BI-option is not exactly true either, at least on PC. Cannot say I find Williams' character "degraded" in any way, shape or form in ME1, where having her partner with madam Shepard works better than one might expect...

Modifié par Chashan, 25 février 2013 - 07:16 .

[New Display Name]

I'm not saying this mod shouldn't be done. Only that you look at the character's in question and ask, does this mod take away or give more to their intended portrayel.

I believe all sexual orientations are equal and are inherent within a person.
In that specific context, it's little different from changing the eye colors of Shepard's love interests.
Traynor's lack of attraction to males is not a "life choice."

I believe the people who raised concern in this thread have very valid points in the context of a developing a mainstream game advertised and purchased by the general gaming masses. However, this is a mod, to be used or not used by the individual as they see fit, and everyone's modding choices only affect their game. The launch game by Bioware affected everyone's game.

Modifié par HJF4, 25 février 2013 - 07:19 .