So I just read the thread on the role of women and considering that the Dragon Age series has an a mostly male design staff and appeals mostly to men I was just wondering what your thoughts on this were and what you think of the role of men in the Dragon Age series?
Is this really what men like to believe? That the women are so afraid of sensitive, caring men that they must reinforce the status quo by depicting males in video games as either violent and relegating them to being cardboard cutouts?
Where are the good caring men who enable their women to be better than they were before?
The role of men in the Dragon Age series
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 12:56
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Who cares about men? Men certainly don't care about themselves.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:06
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OMG.
Well, firstly, I want to commend the creators of Dragon Age for not sticking to lame old stereotypes and being realistic with their character design. I personally found all the characters in DA:O to be quite accurate in their representation because you had a bit of a mixed bag. Nothing shouted to me "Well this is totally far-fetched!"
All the guys who are going to comment on this thread about Alistair being a "sissy" and "a total ****" are likely the kind of men who have problems with their own identity. Either they've been denied the chance to express their true feminine side because their peers would beat on them for it, or they're actually closest homosexuals who act macho because nobody will figure it out if they behave that way. Men like boobs, beer and football, donchaknow?
Don't you find it interesting how the ones that shout the loudest against homosexuals end up caught with their pants down in a rather compromising position with a fellow football player? Hmm...
What was my point? I dunno. I got sidetracked. In any case we need more Alistair's in games. And strong women who aren't afraid to kick some behind and take some names. Because guess what? Men can still be strong and masculine and have the ability to express their inner most feelings. However sentimental. You can still be a man without being a douchebag. Women can enjoy cooking and flowers and clothes shopping, but still be able to lob off a Darkspawn's head.
AND WHAT?!
Well, firstly, I want to commend the creators of Dragon Age for not sticking to lame old stereotypes and being realistic with their character design. I personally found all the characters in DA:O to be quite accurate in their representation because you had a bit of a mixed bag. Nothing shouted to me "Well this is totally far-fetched!"
All the guys who are going to comment on this thread about Alistair being a "sissy" and "a total ****" are likely the kind of men who have problems with their own identity. Either they've been denied the chance to express their true feminine side because their peers would beat on them for it, or they're actually closest homosexuals who act macho because nobody will figure it out if they behave that way. Men like boobs, beer and football, donchaknow?
Don't you find it interesting how the ones that shout the loudest against homosexuals end up caught with their pants down in a rather compromising position with a fellow football player? Hmm...
What was my point? I dunno. I got sidetracked. In any case we need more Alistair's in games. And strong women who aren't afraid to kick some behind and take some names. Because guess what? Men can still be strong and masculine and have the ability to express their inner most feelings. However sentimental. You can still be a man without being a douchebag. Women can enjoy cooking and flowers and clothes shopping, but still be able to lob off a Darkspawn's head.
AND WHAT?!
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:11
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There are no male Desire demons.
That's friggin' sexist right there and I expect--nay, demand-- that this be rectified.
That's friggin' sexist right there and I expect--nay, demand-- that this be rectified.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:15
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Preferably one with nipple tassels.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:16
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Iansectcrusher wrote...
Preferably one with nipple tassels.
This is almost too desirable. I'm not sure we could handle it.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:24
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Yea, where are the real men in Thedas?
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:24
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Retaliation thread? Listen to James Brown for some wisdom, particularly "It's a man's world."
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Yea, where are the real men in Thedas?
Okay, yeah, this made me LOL.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:46
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DuckSoup wrote...
OMG.
Well, firstly, I want to commend the creators of Dragon Age for not sticking to lame old stereotypes and being realistic with their character design. I personally found all the characters in DA:O to be quite accurate in their representation because you had a bit of a mixed bag. Nothing shouted to me "Well this is totally far-fetched!"
All the guys who are going to comment on this thread about Alistair being a "sissy" and "a total ****" are likely the kind of men who have problems with their own identity. Either they've been denied the chance to express their true feminine side because their peers would beat on them for it, or they're actually closest homosexuals who act macho because nobody will figure it out if they behave that way. Men like boobs, beer and football, donchaknow?
Don't you find it interesting how the ones that shout the loudest against homosexuals end up caught with their pants down in a rather compromising position with a fellow football player? Hmm...
What was my point? I dunno. I got sidetracked. In any case we need more Alistair's in games. And strong women who aren't afraid to kick some behind and take some names. Because guess what? Men can still be strong and masculine and have the ability to express their inner most feelings. However sentimental. You can still be a man without being a douchebag. Women can enjoy cooking and flowers and clothes shopping, but still be able to lob off a Darkspawn's head.
AND WHAT?!
You are awesome Duck *claps* :innocent:, I agree with you!
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 01:52
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mousestalker wrote...
Is this really what men like to believe? That the women are so afraid of sensitive, caring men that they must reinforce the status quo by depicting males in video games as either violent and relegating them to being cardboard cutouts?
This is just how all men would like to view themselves, as strong, independant and a provider to the rest of the world. Men play video games to escape into a world where they can pretend to be something better and that wouldn't work if the character was a wimp and went around hugging everybody and giving sensitive advice. That isn't a fantasy game it's just marriage xD
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Shark will win.
You must show your method of reasoning behind this conclusion. Much like a math problem.
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Honestly, what bothers me is this... obsession people have with conforming to stereotypes, for either gender. Why must there be a certain way men must behave? Or women? When it is abundantly clear that there is a lot of diversity in who people are, how they act, who they are in society...to me, stereotypes are useless things that only create a breeding ground for ignorance, narrow-minds and sexism.
Like DuckSoup said, I'm glad that Bioware doesn't conform to just stereotypes, there are a variety of characters in either gender that are spread out across the spectrum in individuality and don't necessarily conform to stereotypes.
Like DuckSoup said, I'm glad that Bioware doesn't conform to just stereotypes, there are a variety of characters in either gender that are spread out across the spectrum in individuality and don't necessarily conform to stereotypes.
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SilverMoonDragon wrote...
Honestly, what bothers me is this... obsession people have with conforming to stereotypes, for either gender. Why must there be a certain way men must behave? Or women? When it is abundantly clear that there is a lot of diversity in who people are, how they act, who they are in society...to me, stereotypes are useless things that only create a breeding ground for ignorance, narrow-minds and sexism.
Like DuckSoup said, I'm glad that Bioware doesn't conform to just stereotypes, there are a variety of characters in either gender that are spread out across the spectrum in individuality and don't necessarily conform to stereotypes.
This so much
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SilverMoonDragon wrote...
Honestly, what bothers me is this... obsession people have with conforming to stereotypes, for either gender. Why must there be a certain way men must behave? Or women? When it is abundantly clear that there is a lot of diversity in who people are, how they act, who they are in society...to me, stereotypes are useless things that only create a breeding ground for ignorance, narrow-minds and sexism.
Like DuckSoup said, I'm glad that Bioware doesn't conform to just stereotypes, there are a variety of characters in either gender that are spread out across the spectrum in individuality and don't necessarily conform to stereotypes.
It is the will of allah.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 02:09
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DuckSoup wrote...
secretsandlies wrote...
Shark will win.
You must show your method of reasoning behind this conclusion. Much like a math problem.
Nah Bear would win, bears can walk and swim, Sharks cannot walk on land though
Plus bears have much stronger bones and skulls
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Yuqi wrote...
SilverMoonDragon wrote...
Honestly, what bothers me is this... obsession people have with conforming to stereotypes, for either gender. Why must there be a certain way men must behave? Or women? When it is abundantly clear that there is a lot of diversity in who people are, how they act, who they are in society...to me, stereotypes are useless things that only create a breeding ground for ignorance, narrow-minds and sexism.
Like DuckSoup said, I'm glad that Bioware doesn't conform to just stereotypes, there are a variety of characters in either gender that are spread out across the spectrum in individuality and don't necessarily conform to stereotypes.
It is the will of allah.
Allah? Da hell have you been smoking?! There is only Jesus here, boy. Move along.
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Wraith 02 wrote...
DuckSoup wrote...
secretsandlies wrote...
Shark will win.
You must show your method of reasoning behind this conclusion. Much like a math problem.
Nah Bear would win, bears can walk and swim, Sharks cannot walk on land though
Plus bears have much stronger bones and skulls
I like your reasoning.
I am also inclined to vote for the Bear. Bears are awesome, yo!
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 02:15
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DuckSoup wrote...
Wraith 02 wrote...
DuckSoup wrote...
secretsandlies wrote...
Shark will win.
You must show your method of reasoning behind this conclusion. Much like a math problem.
Nah Bear would win, bears can walk and swim, Sharks cannot walk on land though
Plus bears have much stronger bones and skulls
I like your reasoning.
I am also inclined to vote for the Bear. Bears are awesome, yo!
It would depend on the setting, In water the shark would win and on land the bear. In shallow water it would probably be whoever got the first attack in and could drag the opponent to their prefered fighting ground.
Another point to remember is that in shallow water the shark might just suffocate as it needs water passing over its gills to breath.
What was this thread about again?
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 02:21
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I don't know that it's necessarily what men like to believe so much as it is what they are conditioned to believe, or conditioned to act upon. Decades and centuries of society defining what a man should be or what a woman should be is so deeply ingrained - if a man isn't rugged, tough, stoic, strong, etc, then he is (per these skewed norms) less of a man. Even the language we use reinforces this (particularly what men are called when they don't meet these "rough and rugged" criterion). So a man who acts different from these expected behaviors is subject to ridicule, bullying, etc. (And thus, the vicious circle.)mousestalker wrote...
Is this really what men like to believe? That the women are so afraid of sensitive, caring men that they must reinforce the status quo by depicting males in video games as either violent and relegating them to being cardboard cutouts?
Where are the good caring men who enable their women to be better than they were before?
We've been slow to find and embrace that space where people are people - a harmony of a stiff upper lip and the ability to be openly caring - and not just these two divergent boxes of gender types and labels, each layered with stereotypes.
I think BioWare has done a good job in having male characters written to show some sensitivity - an affectionate, caring side that doesn't take away from their ability to fight, and fight for a cause. A bit of balance. I think we'll see more of their ilk though. I think the companions of future games will move out of and beyond the cardboard.
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Posté 24 février 2013 - 02:23
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I think the role of men in Dragon Age is just fine. I think all the characters are well-written, and the fact that I strongly dislike and even hate some of them is a testament to just how well-written they are.
Alistair I found extremely endearing, and I wish I'd been able to romance him as a male. There isn't anything the least bit "sissy" about him. It takes courage to be so emotionally open as Alistair is with wardens of either gender. Feelings are not a "girl" thing, they're an "everyone" thing, and I think it's terribly sad that, in the real world, men are under so much pressure to hide their emotions.
It's pretty damn hilarious, in fact, that Alistair's personality draws criticism from male players, who accuse the writers of creating him to deliberately pander to female tastes. If they truly believe that that's what's going on, then they should probably pay more attention to his character and take notes, because from what I can tell, he'd be scoring a metric ton of tail if he actually existed.
Alistair I found extremely endearing, and I wish I'd been able to romance him as a male. There isn't anything the least bit "sissy" about him. It takes courage to be so emotionally open as Alistair is with wardens of either gender. Feelings are not a "girl" thing, they're an "everyone" thing, and I think it's terribly sad that, in the real world, men are under so much pressure to hide their emotions.
It's pretty damn hilarious, in fact, that Alistair's personality draws criticism from male players, who accuse the writers of creating him to deliberately pander to female tastes. If they truly believe that that's what's going on, then they should probably pay more attention to his character and take notes, because from what I can tell, he'd be scoring a metric ton of tail if he actually existed.
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Wraith 02 wrote...
DuckSoup wrote...
Wraith 02 wrote...
DuckSoup wrote...
secretsandlies wrote...
Shark will win.
You must show your method of reasoning behind this conclusion. Much like a math problem.
Nah Bear would win, bears can walk and swim, Sharks cannot walk on land though
Plus bears have much stronger bones and skulls
I like your reasoning.
I am also inclined to vote for the Bear. Bears are awesome, yo!
It would depend on the setting, In water the shark would win and on land the bear. In shallow water it would probably be whoever got the first attack in and could drag the opponent to their prefered fighting ground.
Another point to remember is that in shallow water the shark might just suffocate as it needs water passing over its gills to breath.
What was this thread about again?
Sounds like there needs to be a compromise then...how about....SHARKBEAR!!! A creature not commonly seen, mostly looks like a bear but with the gills and teeth of a Shark and in addition to that they have a set of fins as well as the tradition bear limbs, and when they're in water a part of them transforms so they have a tail....few are lucky enough to spot this fantastical animal.
*not really topic related I know...but I couldn't help myself*
