Nope.
But oh man I bet the heat is on the guys doing Dragon Age after the massive backlash from ME3. I wish I had a camera when the Mac and Casey saw it happen.
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#227
Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:00
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Personally given how bad the ending was and with a new ME game on it's way that's almost certainly going to be the start of a new series of stories I find it hard to trust that they won't just blow it all again in the finale especially the last 10 minutes.
BW's lack of acknowledgment that there was even a problem with the ending and their reaction to the backlash only makes me even more wary as it seems they actually made that pathetic ending intentionally and actually thought it was good.....I find that exceedingly worrying.
So unless reviews (player reviews) are stellar I shall almost certainly pass.
On the other hand I really enjoyed ME1 and 2 as i'm sure many did.
What do you guys think?
Can BW be trusted with another £100 of your money and another 100+ hours of your time?
Also watch this...does this inspire faith? www.youtube.com/watch just astounding.....
I !00% agree with you OP...unless this upcoming DLC fixes the ending, I will be out of here with no interest in another BW game...once burnt, twice shy...Even if the next game does get stellar reviews, if it's a franchise like ME you never know what BW plans to do with the climax until years later.
I am not even purchasing this DLC until the player reviews come in and I will base my DLC purchase decision on that.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:03
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Venom man4 wrote...
Obviously my solution only works for male Shepard. Bioware would have to come up with something for Femshep.Rudy Lis wrote...
Eh... Garrus/Kaidan/Cortez giving birth?
Ummm....it is a Male Shep with Cortez and possibly Kaidan....then there are the unromanced Sheps (male and female) on top of that. Too may variables for BW to implement a Shep prodigy in ME4.
Unless of course they further try to enforce their 'EVERYONE MUST LOVE THE BLUE THING!' stance and create an Asari Liara/Shep prodigy...and personally I wouldn't put that past BW to do that.
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#229
Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:05
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I trust them to finish a story about as well as I trust the vast majority of creators to finish their stories.
Truth of the matter (whether it is due to writer failure or fan expectation or a bit of both) the vast majority of endings to ANY series of ANY genre is NOT particularly well received by the story's fans. I rather EXPECT an ending to fall short in that regard at this point.
Endings are extraordinarly difficult to do well (and good Lord is ME3's not done well at all), and the reception only gets worse when what fans want from said ending is all over the board (which is fairly inevitable).
Truth of the matter (whether it is due to writer failure or fan expectation or a bit of both) the vast majority of endings to ANY series of ANY genre is NOT particularly well received by the story's fans. I rather EXPECT an ending to fall short in that regard at this point.
Endings are extraordinarly difficult to do well (and good Lord is ME3's not done well at all), and the reception only gets worse when what fans want from said ending is all over the board (which is fairly inevitable).
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:07
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Yep. Besides, Mass Effect 2 was half a game and the rest was released later as DLC. No one complained as far as I know. They even had to pay $10 to get the ending, which was Arrival, since if you didn't smash the relay, the Reapers showed up 2 days later and Mass Effect 3 begins.
Collector Base isn't the ending because you can still play after that point (it says continue the story, develop relationships or finish any assignments you have). The game doesn't end, in other words. However, they were okay with that, but not with this?
People thought that since Mass Effect 3 is the end of a trilogy, the expected the whole complete game to be shipped when they bought it for the price of $60, even though things like EC, Omega, Leviathan, and this Citadel DLC weren't advertised to them before the game shipped. They felt those should have been included on the disc, even though it wasn't advertised. If anyone is greedy here, it's the customers, not Bioware.
I've worked with customers a long time, and I know just how manipulative they can get.
For them it was okay for the second game to be released later as DLC to make the complete package, but not the third? I don't get it.
Collector Base isn't the ending because you can still play after that point (it says continue the story, develop relationships or finish any assignments you have). The game doesn't end, in other words. However, they were okay with that, but not with this?
People thought that since Mass Effect 3 is the end of a trilogy, the expected the whole complete game to be shipped when they bought it for the price of $60, even though things like EC, Omega, Leviathan, and this Citadel DLC weren't advertised to them before the game shipped. They felt those should have been included on the disc, even though it wasn't advertised. If anyone is greedy here, it's the customers, not Bioware.
I've worked with customers a long time, and I know just how manipulative they can get.
For them it was okay for the second game to be released later as DLC to make the complete package, but not the third? I don't get it.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:13
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As long as Casey and Mac are in charge definitely not. Which is ironic because without Hudson there would be no Mass Effect so it's quite the catch 22. The thematically in-congruent ending that they refuse to change on top of the fact that they won't even expand on the breathe scene is all cause for concern in my book.
Ironically it could go the other way. It could be they will never try an ending like this again and every ending from this point on will be spectacular but I don't know. I certainly don't want them to fail. We're already stuck with to many developers that only want to produce pew pew online FPS's so anyone that wants to produce a game where the story is the primary focus will always have my support to some extent but at this point I'm begging for more options to come along so I can move on if I need to.
One thing though that I don't think people realize is a lot of people that played a huge role in Bioware's rise are now gone. So going forward the company could easily be at risk of loosing it's identity. Only time will tell
Ironically it could go the other way. It could be they will never try an ending like this again and every ending from this point on will be spectacular but I don't know. I certainly don't want them to fail. We're already stuck with to many developers that only want to produce pew pew online FPS's so anyone that wants to produce a game where the story is the primary focus will always have my support to some extent but at this point I'm begging for more options to come along so I can move on if I need to.
One thing though that I don't think people realize is a lot of people that played a huge role in Bioware's rise are now gone. So going forward the company could easily be at risk of loosing it's identity. Only time will tell
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:17
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KiwiQuiche wrote...
Nope.
But oh man I bet the heat is on the guys doing Dragon Age after the massive backlash from ME3. I wish I had a camera when the Mac and Casey saw it happen.
Lol, it really would be interesting to see the teams initial reaction to the backlash. Minus the death threats of course.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:17
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Bioware can make their game and their story as they wish. You as a consumer have a choice whether to buy it or not. Just like anything. If I don't like a particular thing someone has made, I buy from someone else. They listen to the input, but they also decide what to do with that input.
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PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that. He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
See here
PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that. He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:20
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magnetite wrote...
Bioware can make their game and their story as they wish. You as a consumer have a choice whether to buy it or not. Just like anything. If I don't like a particular thing someone has made, I buy from someone else. They listen to the input, but they also decide what to do with that input.
PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that. He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
You just made the most non-pertinent point ever. The ending is a P.O.S. and what you said has nothing to do with that, other than pointing out that the dude who wrote the P.O.S. ending actually had done some good work previously.
I agree. Sometimes people do good work. And sometimes they blow it. If your smart, you don't blow the last thing you do, because properly, that's what people will remember you for.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:23
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Like I said my solution really only works for male Sheps that dated a female. If you didn't romance anyone or whatever the case may be then really all you can go is the route of a long lost relative. I know that seems unfair but if you didn't romance anyone than you shouldn't have a problem with not getting to be Shepard's kid in the first place.StayFrosty05 wrote...
Venom man4 wrote...
Obviously my solution only works for male Shepard. Bioware would have to come up with something for Femshep.Rudy Lis wrote...
Eh... Garrus/Kaidan/Cortez giving birth?
Ummm....it is a Male Shep with Cortez and possibly Kaidan....then there are the unromanced Sheps (male and female) on top of that. Too may variables for BW to implement a Shep prodigy in ME4.
Unless of course they further try to enforce their 'EVERYONE MUST LOVE THE BLUE THING!' stance and create an Asari Liara/Shep prodigy...and personally I wouldn't put that past BW to do that.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:24
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magnetite wrote...
PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that. He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
Fair enough, unfortunatley though this business is more along the lines of "what have you done for me lately." If it wasn't Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Tony Hawk, and Castlevania would all be seeing unwordly sales numbers. Instead they're now falling short and deserpately clinging to life.
As for choice. While we do have some as a consumer the range of choice for gamers that want in depth sci fi based RPG's is extremely limited. Heck the range of choices for good story based games of any kind are limited. So when a game like Mass Effect 3 ends up with the situation we're seeing now gamers like me feel it.
We're lucky at this point if we get one game a year that even comes close to Mass Effect.
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i trust in bioware's ability to ****** off someone no matter what they will do. there is smh on the bsn
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:27
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Bioware can finish a story properly, as long as EA doesn't interfere. But, EA will always interfere, so nope.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:29
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Yes. I'm fine with the ending being a good ending.
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You just made the most non-pertinent point ever. The ending is a P.O.S. and what you said has nothing to do with that, other than pointing out that the dude who wrote the P.O.S. ending actually had done some good work previously.
I agree. Sometimes people do good work. And sometimes they blow it. If your smart, you don't blow the last thing you do, because properly, that's what people will remember you for.
You don't have to like it, but the answers to explain the ending are in the game. Maybe you should wake up and pay attention to what's going on.
If you want, I'll spoon feed you the explanation since people couldn't seem to figure it out.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:31
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KiwiQuiche wrote...
Nope.
But oh man I bet the heat is on the guys doing Dragon Age after the massive backlash from ME3. I wish I had a camera when the Mac and Casey saw it happen.
I can't help but feel sorry fro the Montreal team. I mean, what happened in ME3 wasn't their fault, but now they have the whole mess dumped in their laps for the next game.
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BioWare does have a good, even though not particularly amazing track record, Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age II notwithstanding. Therefore, I believe they are capable of writing a good story from the beginning to the end, despite their most recent releases being rather disappointing in this aspect.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:35
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iakus wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Nope.
But oh man I bet the heat is on the guys doing Dragon Age after the massive backlash from ME3. I wish I had a camera when the Mac and Casey saw it happen.
I can't help but feel sorry fro the Montreal team. I mean, what happened in ME3 wasn't their fault, but now they have the whole mess dumped in their laps for the next game.
Well, multiplayer is awesome and the ending sucked. Why feel sorry for them? They turn the whole thing into a shooter and they already did a better job than the current result.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 12:45
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is this one of your "too deep for you" attempts to dismiss other peoples views?magnetite wrote...
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You just made the most non-pertinent point ever. The ending is a P.O.S. and what you said has nothing to do with that, other than pointing out that the dude who wrote the P.O.S. ending actually had done some good work previously.
I agree. Sometimes people do good work. And sometimes they blow it. If your smart, you don't blow the last thing you do, because properly, that's what people will remember you for.
You don't have to like it, but the answers to explain the ending are in the game. Maybe you should wake up and pay attention to what's going on.
If you want, I'll spoon feed you the explanation since people couldn't seem to figure it out.
The game is not deep and IT is basically dead, since it does not even provide any kind of ending and the game is finished by now (last dlc).
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 01:21
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I've learned my lesson. I cannot trust any company owned by EA to do anything properly.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 01:25
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StayFrosty05 wrote...
Too may variables for BW to implement a Shep prodigy in ME4.
None. Cloning. His genes, but whole new personality and thus memory.
Revan part deux.
magnetite wrote...
PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that.
I didn't. But I'm probably the only exception, so it doesn't count.
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He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
Can you name a few? I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here...
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 01:26
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magnetite wrote...
Bioware can make their game and their story as they wish. You as a consumer have a choice whether to buy it or not. Just like anything. If I don't like a particular thing someone has made, I buy from someone else. They listen to the input, but they also decide what to do with that input.
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PS--Mac Walters wrote the suicide mission, and everyone liked that. He also gave us Arrival, as well as a few other bits.
And then his hubris got involved and destroyed the entire 3rd game.
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Posté 25 février 2013 - 01:33
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Yes I do.
I don't like the way ME3 ended, but I had too much fun along the way to burn them that hard. If their next game looks interesting, I will go into it blind, just like I did with Mass Effect.
I don't like the way ME3 ended, but I had too much fun along the way to burn them that hard. If their next game looks interesting, I will go into it blind, just like I did with Mass Effect.
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