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[3DandBeyond]

Jaulen wrote...

For DA3 I trust them.....while DA2 had issues, I thought the game was enjoyable, and like I have said elsewhere I understood that we 1) were playing a story that already had start/finish bookends, so the game was playing the details of getting there 2) that the DA series is about the Age and not our protagonist(s). I'm interested in seeing where they go with it.

For ME? I'll have to wait for reviews (from someplace like Forbes .... not the general gaming media) and fan reaction/spoilers. I have yet to purchase any DLC for ME3.....the ending, even with EC is so muddled, that the only hope left is that Citadel somehow redeems it. The ending really killed any joy in doing additional plot-driven play throughs.

As for ME4, a prequel will be an auto non-buy for me. A concurrent story being told to Sheps? Same thing......but a sequel set in a far off future, or a different galaxy/universe untouched by reapers? Then spoiler me before I buy.....

I'm thinking at this point the Citadel will feature them all getting drunk and hallucinating the kid happened, but I'm probably wrong.

[Hexley UK]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

For DA3 I trust them.....while DA2 had issues, I thought the game was enjoyable, and like I have said elsewhere I understood that we 1) were playing a story that already had start/finish bookends, so the game was playing the details of getting there 2) that the DA series is about the Age and not our protagonist(s). I'm interested in seeing where they go with it.

For ME? I'll have to wait for reviews (from someplace like Forbes .... not the general gaming media) and fan reaction/spoilers. I have yet to purchase any DLC for ME3.....the ending, even with EC is so muddled, that the only hope left is that Citadel somehow redeems it. The ending really killed any joy in doing additional plot-driven play throughs.

As for ME4, a prequel will be an auto non-buy for me. A concurrent story being told to Sheps? Same thing......but a sequel set in a far off future, or a different galaxy/universe untouched by reapers? Then spoiler me before I buy.....

I'm thinking at this point the Citadel will feature them all getting drunk and hallucinating the kid happened, but I'm probably wrong.

And the answer to "What could make the ending to ME3 even more crappy than it already is?" is......

[moater boat]

Of course not. I don't trust them at all.

[DetcelferVisionary]

I will not be buying any of their future products until I read reviews that speak of the game in its entirety. I'm not interested in an emotional roller coaster that specifically ends poorly.

I'm sure Bioware will continue to make great games, I'm just not going to be doing any more Day 1 purchases until I get the facts.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Hexley UK wrote...

Personally given how bad the ending was and with a new ME game on it's way that's almost certainly going to be the start of a new series of stories I find it hard to trust that they won't just blow it all again in the finale especially the last 10 minutes.

BW's lack of acknowledgment that there was even a problem with the ending and their reaction to the backlash only makes me even more wary as it seems they actually made that pathetic ending intentionally and actually thought it was good.....I find that exceedingly worrying.

So unless reviews (player reviews) are stellar I shall almost certainly pass.

On the other hand I really enjoyed ME1 and 2 as i'm sure many did.

What do you guys think?

Can BW be trusted with another £100 of your money and another 100+ hours of your time?

Also watch this...does this inspire faith? www.youtube.com/watch just astounding.....

I trust that they can finish a story properly... they have in the past.

Will they?  Well... given how the line has been drawn in the sand for their next game (by ME3's backlash)... the incentive to finish their next game strong is high... so it's highly possible.

But do I trust that they WILL do it?  No, I'd want to verify that they actually do it before spending any time or money.  If the gameplay itself is good, it'd always make for a fine used game.

[Abraham_uk]

 I'm about to say something that you will hate me for.


The purpose of the story spanning Mass Effect 1-3 was to defeat the Reapers.

At the end of the game the Reapers are defeated.


One ending has them destroyed: Victory with the steep cost of genocide.
One ending involves them being controlled: Not ethically sound but still a victory.
One ending has a bizzare merge of organic and synthetics to end the conflict: Nonesense and unethical but still a victory

One ending has you reject all options: Your cycle loses against the Reapers. The next cycle beats the Reapers thanks to you. Not really a victory, but even there the Reaper story arc is over.


Yes the goal of the entire series was to defeat the Reapers.
Even though most of what we did, did not contribute towards the Reaper's being defeated in a meaningful way, that story was ended.



In addition we resolved the Krogan Genophage and the Geth/Quarian war.
Mass Effect 3 did have meaningful consequences to events of ME 1 & 2 in both story arcs.


Heck if you gathered enough War Assets (the poorly implemented plot device that means very little) and then choose destroy, Shepard takes a breath and... ummm. It doesn't matter. Shepard has performed his/her role in the story. Shepard saved the day, defeated the Reapers and resolved two major interspecies conflicts.


Mass Effect 3 was very conclusive! There was no cliffhangers. There was no sense that the Reapers would return!
The Extended Cut even added some more explanation of what happened after each of the 3 controversial choices.
This game is final! The Reapers are finished! Game over!

You beat the game! We beat the game! Time to fetch your bottle of champaigne and celebrate the fall of the Reapers!

[CronoDragoon]

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

well .. if you cant write something special in a really good way, stick to the simple stuff .. its not bad at all and it works.


and if done well, its better than any half-hearted attempt to do something "special".

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Abraham_uk wrote...

 I'm about to say something that you will hate me for.


The purpose of the story spanning Mass Effect 1-3 was to defeat the Reapers.

At the end of the game the Reapers are defeated.


One ending has them destroyed: Victory with the steep cost of genocide.
One ending involves them being controlled: Not ethically sound but still a victory.
One ending has a bizzare merge of organic and synthetics to end the conflict: Nonesense and unethical but still a victory

One ending has you reject all options: Your cycle loses against the Reapers. The next cycle beats the Reapers thanks to you. Not really a victory, but even there the Reaper story arc is over.


Yes the goal of the entire series was to defeat the Reapers.
Even though most of what we did, did not contribute towards the Reaper's being defeated in a meaningful way, that story was ended.



In addition we resolved the Krogan Genophage and the Geth/Quarian war.
Mass Effect 3 did have meaningful consequences to events of ME 1 & 2 in both story arcs.


Heck if you gathered enough War Assets (the poorly implemented plot device that means very little) and then choose destroy, Shepard takes a breath and... ummm. It doesn't matter. Shepard has performed his/her role in the story. Shepard saved the day, defeated the Reapers and resolved two major interspecies conflicts.


Mass Effect 3 was very conclusive! There was no cliffhangers. There was no sense that the Reapers would return!
The Extended Cut even added some more explanation of what happened after each of the 3 controversial choices.
This game is final! The Reapers are finished! Game over!

You beat the game! We beat the game! Time to fetch your bottle of champaigne and celebrate the fall of the Reapers!

Everyone did that already.  Now we celebrate how little sense the ending made in providing those 'conclusive' outcomes

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

well .. if you cant write something special in a really good way, stick to the simple stuff .. its not bad at all and it works.


and if done well, its better than any half-hearted attempt to do something "special".

Far better.

[CronoDragoon]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well .. if you cant write something special in a really good way, stick to the simple stuff .. its not bad at all and it works.


and if done well, its better than any half-hearted attempt to do something "special".

I agree, but you'll also note that such a stance also precludes the possibility of whole-heartedly doing something special.

[Sam Anders]

Bioware as a whole, maybe

This team, no

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well .. if you cant write something special in a really good way, stick to the simple stuff .. its not bad at all and it works.


and if done well, its better than any half-hearted attempt to do something "special".

I agree, but you'll also note that such a stance also precludes the possibility of whole-heartedly doing something special.

not everybody is a "lessing", "hemmingway" or "shakespeare". 

do what is in your power - doing more can lead to results, you have to stand up for but maybe dont want to.


recognising the own limits is hard and takes a quad to do but is necessary to avoid unpleasant surprises.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well .. if you cant write something special in a really good way, stick to the simple stuff .. its not bad at all and it works.


and if done well, its better than any half-hearted attempt to do something "special".

I agree, but you'll also note that such a stance also precludes the possibility of whole-heartedly doing something special.

A feedback group, lore continuity expert, and multiple drafts based on the data they provide removes the vast majority of issues that can arise from trying something "special."

[IllusiveManJr]

Yes.

[Snake Liquid]

Hexley UK wrote...

Snake Liquid wrote...

I do. Despite the ending, they have almost always, and yes even in ME3, been really good at character interactions. It's lacked here and there of course. The ME2 squad mates only got minimal screen time in ME3, but the moments with Garrus in the Citadel, or Ashley and Kaidan and Liara in the Presidium were spot on. That's what I'm looking forward to most in the new DLC and that's what I'm buying it primarily for, even if they are just one conversation. That was one of my favorite things about the third game. 

Either way, I trust them.  ME3 was such a powerhouse for it, and honestly who knows what happened behind the scenes.  I certainly don't.  It didn't end exactly how I wanted it to, but with the DLC I actually kind of like the endings to the game, so hopefully they will carry forward and not make the same decision to leave such an open ended ending to a game in the future.

But ME3 had less conversation than 1 and 2 due to the over use of auto-dialogue.

And yet, that still didn't take away from the emotional impact of some of the conversations for me.  Honestly, go back to ME1 and 2 and try out some different dialogue options.  There are a lot of choices that show up as different text, but Shepard says the exact same thing for each line.  Illusion of choice.  When I was at the top of Presidium with Garrus, I felt the brotherly bond that had developed between him and my Shep over the three games in their words. 

[clarkusdarkus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

Dunno, i thought that after DA2 when no matter what side you choose it ends up the same anyway, ME3 then messed up the ending so if anything they dont learn at all.

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 25 février 2013 - 11:38 .

[Genuine_Intrepid]

I agree with Abraham_uk, the trilogy was concluded. For me with both my paragon and renegade Shepard's, the endings I chose allowed me to interpret the endings any way I like and I'm at peace with my interpretations of them.

I am more concerned by the horrendous 3 day ordeal I went through, wasting 10 GB of precious bandwidth and scouring Google just to figure how to force the game to install from the disk. And then to find out I have to be permanently online to play a single player game just so EA can be satisfied that my game is genuine. I am more concerned about whether EA will reward people who do the right thing by NOT pirating their games instead of punishing them in the future. As well as making Origin an option to use rather than forcing it down my throat.

[CronoDragoon]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

Dunno, i thought that after DA2 when no matter what side you choose it ends up the same anyway, ME3 then messed up the ending so if anything they dont learn at all.

Two different dev teams.

Can I ask anyone if there's anybody they "trust" to finish a story properly? Some of the greatest writers I've ever read had crappy endings to their books.

[Cecilia L]

Do I trust Bioware to finish a story properly after ME3?

Short answer - no.

Although, I still have my false hopes about ME3's conclusion that will only make me even more disappointed.

[Jenonax]

Abraham_uk wrote...

 I'm about to say something that you will hate me for.


The purpose of the story spanning Mass Effect 1-3 was to defeat the Reapers.

At the end of the game the Reapers are defeated.


One ending has them destroyed: Victory with the steep cost of genocide.
One ending involves them being controlled: Not ethically sound but still a victory.
One ending has a bizzare merge of organic and synthetics to end the conflict: Nonesense and unethical but still a victory

One ending has you reject all options: Your cycle loses against the Reapers. The next cycle beats the Reapers thanks to you. Not really a victory, but even there the Reaper story arc is over.


Yes the goal of the entire series was to defeat the Reapers.
Even though most of what we did, did not contribute towards the Reaper's being defeated in a meaningful way, that story was ended.



In addition we resolved the Krogan Genophage and the Geth/Quarian war.
Mass Effect 3 did have meaningful consequences to events of ME 1 & 2 in both story arcs.


Heck if you gathered enough War Assets (the poorly implemented plot device that means very little) and then choose destroy, Shepard takes a breath and... ummm. It doesn't matter. Shepard has performed his/her role in the story. Shepard saved the day, defeated the Reapers and resolved two major interspecies conflicts.


Mass Effect 3 was very conclusive! There was no cliffhangers. There was no sense that the Reapers would return!
The Extended Cut even added some more explanation of what happened after each of the 3 controversial choices.
This game is final! The Reapers are finished! Game over!

You beat the game! We beat the game! Time to fetch your bottle of champaigne and celebrate the fall of the Reapers!

I would call it a phyrric victory at best.  It feels hollow, sacrificing any good Shepard had in him and turning him into a war criminal the likes of which haven't ever been seen before.

I wouldn't be cracking open the champagne if I were him, Id be crying in a corner and checking myself into the nearest available asylum.

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

If anything, thanks to ME3 and the reaction you can bet they'll provide little more than standard endings in the future.

Dunno, i thought that after DA2 when no matter what side you choose it ends up the same anyway, ME3 then messed up the ending so if anything they dont learn at all.

Two different dev teams.

Can I ask anyone if there's anybody they "trust" to finish a story properly? Some of the greatest writers I've ever read had crappy endings to their books.

so two dev-teams showed not their best work - two teams, that are independant from each other.

this is maybe more disturbing than you think. this could be seen as an indicator, that the company itself has a problem - and not only an isolated dev-team.

[CronoDragoon]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

so two dev-teams showed not their best work - two teams, that are independant from each other.

this is maybe more disturbing than you think. this could be seen as an indicator, that the company itself has a problem - and not only an isolated dev-team.

It's an indicator that video game endings almost always suck.

Seriously, I can only think of a handful that I actively liked, and BioWare is responsible for two of them, so I should trust them more than anybody, no?

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 26 février 2013 - 12:50 .

[Kais Endac]

I will continue to buy Bioware games until they actually make a bad game after which I will be very careful with any future purchases.

As to whether I trust them to finish the games, I will reserve judgement until after the Citadel DLC (yes I know it will not have anything to do with the ending, I'm looking mainly at the quality)and DA3. If they are not what I expected then, I will still buy BW games but will most likely quit before finishing them and end them the way I want, or finish them then sell them (which I have never done before, well the selling part anyway).

I still trust Bioware to make good games I enjoyed DA2 and ME3 (all but the last 10mins) so as long as they continue to make good games I will buy them.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 26 février 2013 - 12:59 .

[Rudy Lis]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Can I ask anyone if there's anybody they "trust" to finish a story properly? Some of the greatest writers I've ever read had crappy endings to their books.

Sapkowski. I liked Witcher books, regardless of Geralt or Yennifer being killed. Yes, I'd probably made last three books a bit shorter, but I liked them nevertheless.

So far I trust CD Projekt Red with Witcher trilogy. There were moved in W2 I didn't liked, but so far there are no signs of capital disaster.

If you name me some other multi-part consistent stories, probably I can relate too - I don't exactly follow news and trends, too much garbage static.