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[CronoDragoon]

@Rudy Lis wrote...

Did you just drop massive Witcher spoilers for future games? Or are you talking about Witcher 2 backstory? I don't want to quote it so that others don't read it.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 27 février 2013 - 02:56 .

[MattFini]

dreamgazer wrote...

BioWare isn't a hivemind. One individual writer, or a group of writers, might not be the same as those on the next project---just like you can't base every 20th Century Fox science-fiction film to follow on Prometheus. You can, however, base that kind of assumption on Ridley Scott's future endeavors under the Fox banner, especially with Damon Lindelof doing the writing (which, thankfully, he's not).

That said, I'd certainly feel hesitant about an ending's upcoming merits if I saw certain writers on the roster for ME4. BioWare as a collective, however, has assuredly learned a few things about conclusions and their target audience.

Well said.

I still think BioWare has some truly great writers on staff. 

That ending ... it's just so bad and I can't wait to one day get the dirt on exactly what happened with it.

But, after the ending, Leviathan was pretty damn good and I have high hopes for the Citadel DLC. Beyond that, I liked ME3's writing for the most part. 

So while it'll take a little while for me to give my full trust and enthusiasm back to BioWare, I'm still very much a fan of their products. No matter what the official word is, I'm willing to bet there are more than a few folks on staff there who think ME3 ended as poorly as a lot of fans did. 

[fainmaca]

I have no more blind faith in BW games. I'll be spoiling Bioware and in general EA stories for years to come now.

If I ever see/hear a dev justifying a story/gameplay aspect with the words 'Its a war story', I'll run a mile.

[Eshaye]

IF they keep the same lead writer, sure thing.

[Hexley UK]

MattFini wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

BioWare isn't a hivemind. One individual writer, or a group of writers, might not be the same as those on the next project---just like you can't base every 20th Century Fox science-fiction film to follow on Prometheus. You can, however, base that kind of assumption on Ridley Scott's future endeavors under the Fox banner, especially with Damon Lindelof doing the writing (which, thankfully, he's not).

That said, I'd certainly feel hesitant about an ending's upcoming merits if I saw certain writers on the roster for ME4. BioWare as a collective, however, has assuredly learned a few things about conclusions and their target audience.

Well said.

I still think BioWare has some truly great writers on staff. 

That ending ... it's just so bad and I can't wait to one day get the dirt on exactly what happened with it.

But, after the ending, Leviathan was pretty damn good and I have high hopes for the Citadel DLC. Beyond that, I liked ME3's writing for the most part. 

So while it'll take a little while for me to give my full trust and enthusiasm back to BioWare, I'm still very much a fan of their products. No matter what the official word is, I'm willing to bet there are more than a few folks on staff there who think ME3 ended as poorly as a lot of fans did. 

I'm still a fan of the ME universe but after ME3 & DA2 i'm sad to say i'm not much of a fan of Bioware products anymore.

I hope to be proven wrong in the future but with Biowares attitude to their fans and them becoming increasingly part of the "EA Way" I can't really see that happening, DA3 already looks like fail in the making tbh following in DA2's shoes.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 27 février 2013 - 05:28 .

[Sammuthegreat]

Gosh, a very simple question.

I don't trust them to finish another story well at all.

[Gedgehog]

So people still don't like the ending? Big deal. That doesn't mean that every single game they ever produce from now until their end will have the same kind of outcome.
That's like cooking a meal that isn't quite as good as one you've cooked before, and then saying that every meal you cook from now until the day you die will be terrible. Let it go already.

[Repzik]

Bioware's problems have less to do with "one meal that isn't quite as good" of an ending, and more due to the gradual loss/change in staff (particularly for writers), the attempts to appeal to a wider audience, the less and less care put towards story and lore, and the reduced development time.

Basically EA.

Modifié par Repzik, 27 février 2013 - 06:28 .

[Tootles FTW]

Yes, I do.

[clarkusdarkus]

Well after DA2 and now ME3 it would seem finishing a story is well and truly too difficult for them...An with EA still behind them i'll expect rushed gameplay and nothing resembling what an RPG is, It will be action oriented gameplay and cut content.

In fact im on a personal crusade against EA and have been since ME3, i was disappointed with DA2/TOR before ME3 aswell, i havent bought any dlc, would have got dead space 3 but chose not too, And now EA have come out and said everyone of they're games will have Micro-transactions in them so ME4 wont even be considered let alone bought.

[Nerevar-as]

CronoDragoon wrote...

@Rudy Lis wrote...

Did you just drop massive Witcher spoilers for future games? Or are you talking about Witcher 2 backstory? I don't want to quote it so that others don't read it.

Don´t worry, that´s backstory. The fate of two of the three main characters in the book is left open to interpretation (think Shepard´s breath, but done much better), and the games take the interpretation they were alive and worked from there. I have to agree with him about Sapkowski, the events of the last book written by the usual Wizards of the Coast writer would have resulted in me throwing the book out the window.

About BW, DA:I is likely last chance I´m giving them.

[hiker7gax]

no

[puppy maclove]

NO. plus the problems with BW extend beyond just this point.

That piece of SH*T company EA are not helping things.

[Hexley UK]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

NO. plus the problems with BW extend beyond just this point.

That piece of SH*T company EA are not helping things.

But players like micro-transactions....didn't you hear?

[Bote des Sturms]

No !

[Rudy Lis]

CronoDragoon wrote...

@Rudy Lis wrote...

Did you just drop massive Witcher spoilers for future games? Or are you talking about Witcher 2 backstory? I don't want to quote it so that others don't read it.

Not Witcher 2, but also Witcher 1 (don't tell me you haven't played it) also. And, I hope, Witcher 3 as well.

That's about so called "Witcher's saga" (name unofficial, as far I'm aware) - seven books, to be more specific, and one completely "I did it for lulz" short story of Geralt and Yennifer marriage (i.e. - never happened in "kanone" books).
If you read them, then while playing Witcher's game (both of them) you'll have several "hey, I know this person!" moments (or, at least, "I've heard about"). Also, some moments naturally makes you think, like "Oh no, is that guy somehow related to Dijkstra?" Otherwise, if you never read books, well, those will be just random alphabet soup for you.

In same time, from my opinion, games are pretty much, how would I put this... "self-sufficient". If you know background and characters - that's nice, if you don't, well, game tells you what you need. and placing Geralt into cliched amnesiac, from my point of view, works very well, providing better immersion for natural newcomers. Not like ME3, you know. Much better.

I only wonder how CDPR will play fully restored memory in Witcher 3, I mean there is a bloody lot of info (well, seven books) and I'm not aware of whole Saga being published in Western countries, even in digital form. I guess one of those "we'll live, we'll see" moments.

So no, I don't know how Witcher 3 will end. I have ideas, but that's "thpekulathionth!"

[Slappy Ya Face]

I wouldn't trust bioware to finish breakfast after ME3.

[XqctaX]

No i dont trust them anymore.

not with keeping narrative or lore intact. not with pr or pre-release statements
and certanly not with ending a triology well.

and multiplayer and microtransactions in a storydriven rpg............. ffs bioware get a grip
nah never mind, the ship leaking, were is the lifeboats. i should go

[drayfish]

Personally, I certainly no longer trust them to end a narrative in a way that I would find morally, emotionally or intellectually satisfying. Absolutely not.

And holding beloved (and arguably ignored) characters hostage behind a paywall for their final DLC is not helping ease that sentiment at all.

Modifié par drayfish, 28 février 2013 - 12:08 .

[Gedgehog]

If you guys don't trust them and are still so outraged by the ending situation of last year, it really does beg the question of why you are all still here.

No disrespect intended, but is being constantly hateful really healthy?

[Hexley UK]

Gedgehog wrote...

If you guys don't trust them and are still so outraged by the ending situation of last year, it really does beg the question of why you are all still here.

No disrespect intended, but is being constantly hateful really healthy?

People still love the universe and it's characters and are still very upset at how badly it ended, this is still the best place to vent.

[xoxin]

Hexley UK wrote...

Gedgehog wrote...

If you guys don't trust them and are still so outraged by the ending situation of last year, it really does beg the question of why you are all still here.

No disrespect intended, but is being constantly hateful really healthy?

People still love the universe and it's characters and are still very upset at how badly it ended, this is still the best place to vent.

This. I mean, the ME3 forums are not only a place to discuss various events/characters in the game, but also to voice your opinion on said game. It'd be different if we were blindly insulting ME3/fans, but this is giving feedback.

[Gedgehog]

xoxin wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Gedgehog wrote...

If you guys don't trust them and are still so outraged by the ending situation of last year, it really does beg the question of why you are all still here.

No disrespect intended, but is being constantly hateful really healthy?

People still love the universe and it's characters and are still very upset at how badly it ended, this is still the best place to vent.

This. I mean, the ME3 forums are not only a place to discuss various events/characters in the game, but also to voice your opinion on said game. It'd be different if we were blindly insulting ME3/fans, but this is giving feedback.

Good point and well made! :-)

[ManiacG]

i wish i could say yes, but i see a line of erosion in the games they have put out so far:

Dragons age 2 had a lukewarm reception, and the ending left much to be desired
Swtor, it fell flat on its face, some of the stories were good, and some were bad (jedi consular /shiver)
Then came mass effect 3 wich caused a massive uproar.

so i dont trust them

Modifié par ManiacG, 28 février 2013 - 01:01 .