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[Hexley UK]

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

ask again after citadel.

Haven't they already stated that Citadel will not effect the endings?

I'm not really sure how it's going to rectify anything then tbh.

[Dr_Extrem]

well .. nobody ever thought, that mass effect 3 will "outshine" the qualities of da2 ... people say its quite good after they have played me3.

da2, swtor, me3 ... the direction is clear - mass market at all cost.


i doubt this direction will change - especially after the doctors goodbye.


dont get me wrong .. there are very talented designers working for bioware and some of their games will be among my all time favs.

[Chashan]

dreamgazer wrote...

BioWare isn't a hivemind. One individual writer, or a group of writers, might not be the same as those on the next project---just like you can't base every 20th Century Fox science-fiction film to follow on Prometheus. You can, however, base that kind of assumption on Ridley Scott's future endeavors under the Fox banner, especially with Damon Lindelof doing the writing (which, thankfully, he's not).

That said, I'd certainly feel hesitant about an ending's upcoming merits if I saw certain writers on the roster for ME4. BioWare as a collective, however, has assuredly learned a few things about conclusions and their target audience.

I'll agree with this; BW is not just the current - soon to-have-been - ME-team, and due to that, I am willing to give the DA-crew a chance (was not nearly as disappointed with DA2 as quite a number of people appear to have been). The next ME appears to be developed by a different team as well, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, too.

Does not mean I am in any way a pre-order person. Mostly I wait some time before I purchase a game - following patches, fan-made content (am a sucker for those) and a general reduction in price...BW will not get different treatment in that regard.
Although, yes, especially when it comes to IPs overseen by Mr Hudson I will look into where their plot-direction ultimately goes. Elsewise, waiting for fans to take care of those mistakes it is...

Modifié par Chashan, 24 février 2013 - 04:33 .

[crimzontearz]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

Can you ever trust anyone to finish a story that you've become invested in in exactly the way you'd want?

But yes, as much as is possible.

MEHEM and Marauder Shields say hi. It is entirely possible to end a story in a satisfying way without getting absolutely everything perfect. Tacking on the ending from another game without making any effort to knit it into your game is a recipe for disaster, however. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, Youtube the ending for Deus Ex. Or watch the video mashup someone made of their endings: Shepard talking to the computer from Deus Ex. The two games' endings are so nearly identical that the resulting conversation is coherent.)

LOL

[Hexley UK]

crimzontearz wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

Can you ever trust anyone to finish a story that you've become invested in in exactly the way you'd want?

But yes, as much as is possible.

MEHEM and Marauder Shields say hi. It is entirely possible to end a story in a satisfying way without getting absolutely everything perfect. Tacking on the ending from another game without making any effort to knit it into your game is a recipe for disaster, however. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, Youtube the ending for Deus Ex. Or watch the video mashup someone made of their endings: Shepard talking to the computer from Deus Ex. The two games' endings are so nearly identical that the resulting conversation is coherent.)

LOL

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

ME3's ending is almost word for word lifted from it.

[TweedleDee66]

Hexley UK wrote...

BW's lack of acknowledgment that there was even a problem with the ending and their reaction to the backlash only makes me even more wary as it seems they actually made that pathetic ending intentionally and actually thought it was good.....I find that exceedingly worrying.

This alone is what pissed my off with the ending of ME3. How could anyone who worked on the game say “Yep, that’s the best ending we can do to end Shepard’s story, I‘m very happy with it because it is perfect.” To add insult to injury we get a “extended cut ending” that should have been in the f’ing game n the first place. Its still not great but its workable instead of the need to take drugs to understand the original ending cut scenes.

Anyway…
No, I don’t trust them at all. If its going to be another trilogy then the ending will be as lackluster, unclimatic, uninspired, boring and unimaginative as what we got for ME3. Even if it’s a single title game I would still have my doubts. I will rent the game before buying it, IF I buy it at all which with BioWare’s recent track record isn’t likely at all.


After the lackluster and disappointing Dragon Age: Awakenings, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and Star Wars: Old Republic including most of the downloadable content for those games, BioWare has to re-earn my patronage. With EA owning them and both founders of BioWare gone, I just don’t see it happening.  Games cost way to much for me to wate my money on, there are plenty of other companies that can get my buisness.

[john-in-france]

I remember the same question after DA2...
I bought ME3 since I have ME and ME2. I then found the Deus Ex ending...a game I played way back when. Thankfully MEHEM arrived to save the day.

As far as my love interest story arc, sadly MEHEM is not relevent to it as they killed him by space ninja.

Will I buy ME4 or DA3? I really don't know. Maybe if the Citadel DLC answers some questions first. Otherwise I'll watch for reviews before purchase.

[john-in-france]

Hexley UK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

Can you ever trust anyone to finish a story that you've become invested in in exactly the way you'd want?

But yes, as much as is possible.

MEHEM and Marauder Shields say hi. It is entirely possible to end a story in a satisfying way without getting absolutely everything perfect. Tacking on the ending from another game without making any effort to knit it into your game is a recipe for disaster, however. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, Youtube the ending for Deus Ex. Or watch the video mashup someone made of their endings: Shepard talking to the computer from Deus Ex. The two games' endings are so nearly identical that the resulting conversation is coherent.)

LOL

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

ME3's ending is almost word for word lifted from it.

Yes it is. The script writer of Deus Ex now works for EA Games...no, I'm being serious. I looked it up.

[LTKerr]

No, no, no, no and no. ME3's writting is awful. It's cheap, emotionally manipulative, with too many Michael Bay-esque explosions, grandiloquent speeches, characters being extremely out of character (Legion, Thane, Shepard or EDI), symbolism absolutely out of place (Catalyst, the nightmares, the whole ending) and so on. Bioware said that's their "artistic vision" and defended it using the "artistic integrity" shield. If that's what Bioware believe is good writting, then I'm out.

Modifié par LTKerr, 24 février 2013 - 04:45 .

[xoxin]

Hexley UK wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

ask again after citadel.

Haven't they already stated that Citadel will not effect the endings?

I'm not really sure how it's going to rectify anything then tbh.

I don't think it is so much about the endings as it is about Bioware ending Mass Effect 3 on a good note. Bioware showing they still listen to what the fans say(even if they refuse to alter the endings or some DLC has not met some people's expectations).

Personally I'm gonna say wait after citadel as well. If they mess up citadel, Mass Effect is done. If they mess up Dragon Age Inquisition, Bioware is done.

[Hexley UK]

john-in-france wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

Can you ever trust anyone to finish a story that you've become invested in in exactly the way you'd want?

But yes, as much as is possible.

MEHEM and Marauder Shields say hi. It is entirely possible to end a story in a satisfying way without getting absolutely everything perfect. Tacking on the ending from another game without making any effort to knit it into your game is a recipe for disaster, however. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, Youtube the ending for Deus Ex. Or watch the video mashup someone made of their endings: Shepard talking to the computer from Deus Ex. The two games' endings are so nearly identical that the resulting conversation is coherent.)

LOL

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

ME3's ending is almost word for word lifted from it.

Yes it is. The script writer of Deus Ex now works for EA Games...no, I'm being serious. I looked it up.

You know I should be shocked....but somehow i'm really not....

[Hexley UK]

xoxin wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

ask again after citadel.

Haven't they already stated that Citadel will not effect the endings?

I'm not really sure how it's going to rectify anything then tbh.

I don't think it is so much about the endings as it is about Bioware ending Mass Effect 3 on a good note. Bioware showing they still listen to what the fans say(even if they refuse to alter the endings or some DLC has not met some people's expectations).

Personally I'm gonna say wait after citadel as well. If they mess up citadel, Mass Effect is done. If they mess up Dragon Age Inquisition, Bioware is done.

Aye and sadly that's not sounding to good tbh.

Human only protagonist, crappy action combat...again. Why they keep insisting on going the DA2 route when DA:O sold more than twice as many copies and was critically and popularly loved I do not know.

[dreamgazer]

Hexley UK wrote...

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

Likely for the same reason the Asimov estate and many other writers haven't sued many other science-fiction creations, even Deus Ex: these aren't original ideas.

[MegaSovereign]

I trust them implishetly.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 24 février 2013 - 04:53 .

[Dr_Extrem]

"when you push a button, something awesome happens!"

"there has to be a direct relation bvetween button and awesome! button - awesome!"


i was a dragon age fan long before before i was a mass effect fan. when i heard those statements in a promotion video, i was worried - then i played the da2 demo and i was terrified.

[Hexley UK]

dreamgazer wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

Likely for the same reason the Asimov estate and many other writers haven't sued many other science-fiction creations, even Deus Ex: these aren't original ideas.

Saying "these aren't original ideas" makes it seem even worse tbh.

[Hexley UK]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I trust them implishetly.

Even after watching that video?

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

[Dr_Extrem]

the mass effect 3 ending was heavily inspired by deus ex and deus ex by a story from asimov.

maybe even asimov was inspired by someone.


inspiration is a good thing .. but the themes have to fit.

[dreamgazer]

Hexley UK wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

Likely for the same reason the Asimov estate and many other writers haven't sued many other science-fiction creations, even Deus Ex: these aren't original ideas.

Saying "these aren't original ideas" makes it seem even worse tbh.

It's true, though. These aren't brand-new concepts, either in Deus Ex's infrastructure or ME3's.  

They are, however, more seamlessly applied to one series above another.

[BD Manchild]

Certainly not. After Citadel is out the way, I'm done with this series. ME3 showed just how far they've fallen as storytellers.

[Hexley UK]

dreamgazer wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

That's just incredible....how in the hell haven't they been sued by the writers of Deus Ex?

Likely for the same reason the Asimov estate and many other writers haven't sued many other science-fiction creations, even Deus Ex: these aren't original ideas.

Saying "these aren't original ideas" makes it seem even worse tbh.

It's true, though. These aren't brand-new concepts, either in Deus Ex's infrastructure or ME3's.  

They are, however, more seamlessly applied to one series above another.

Oh I believe you but saying "Well hundreds of other stories end the same way" makes it even more feckless, lazy and pathetic tbh.

[archangel1996]

If i will ever ever want a pew pew CoD in the future (actually, with a much more stupid plot than BO2) i will come back to Mass Effect
Until then The Witcher, Assassin's Creed, Skyrim.....

Modifié par archangel1996, 24 février 2013 - 05:06 .

[MegaSovereign]

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I trust them implishetly.

Even after watching that video?

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

I wasn't being serious, hence why I misspelled the word "implicitly."

I don't trust anyone who makes more than me. But the EC endings weren't bad, IMO. And the Deus Ex comparisons are dead horses. Just because you're given 3 choices at the endgame and there's an AI involved, that doesn't mean the entire premise is copy-paste. If you've played both Deus Ex and Mass Effect then you'd know how thematically different they are.

[ratzerman]

Hexley UK wrote...

Can BW be trusted with another £100 of your money and another 100+ hours of your time?

NOPE.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I trust them implishetly.

Even after watching that video?

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

I wasn't being serious, hence why I misspelled the word "implicitly."

I don't trust anyone who makes more than me. But the EC endings weren't bad, IMO. And the Deus Ex comparisons are dead horses. Just because you're given 3 choices at the endgame and there's an AI involved, that doesn't mean the entire premise is copy-paste. If you've played both Deus Ex and Mass Effect then you'd know how thematically different they are.

nice joker reference.

its not copy paste .. but you cant deny how far the inspiration went. imo, they should have filtered their sources a bit better. other stuffs might have been better sources.