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[dreamgazer]

Hexley UK wrote...

Oh I believe you but saying "Well hundreds of other stories end the same way" makes it even more feckless, lazy and pathetic tbh.

Suicide Mission v2.0 would've been pretty "lazy", too. So would a literal "Reaper Off" button, in the vein of Independence Day. So would this, so would that, so would the other.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not "defending" the ending and its flawed execution of in-universe application, but you're hard-pressed to discover real ingenuity in sci-fi / space-opera writing these days.

[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I trust them implishetly.

Even after watching that video?

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

I wasn't being serious, hence why I misspelled the word "implicitly."

I don't trust anyone who makes more than me. But the EC endings weren't bad, IMO. And the Deus Ex comparisons are dead horses. Just because you're given 3 choices at the endgame and there's an AI involved, that doesn't mean the entire premise is copy-paste. If you've played both Deus Ex and Mass Effect then you'd know how thematically different they are.

nice joker reference.

its not copy paste .. but you cant deny how far the inspiration went. imo, they should have filtered their sources a bit better. other stuffs might have been better sources.

Dude, hell yea it's been inspired by other sci-fis. Bioware is proud of that fact. But there is a pretty big difference between calling something a rip-off and saying that it was inspired by other things.

[Hexley UK]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I trust them implishetly.

Even after watching that video?

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

I wasn't being serious, hence why I misspelled the word "implicitly."

I don't trust anyone who makes more than me. But the EC endings weren't bad, IMO. And the Deus Ex comparisons are dead horses. Just because you're given 3 choices at the endgame and there's an AI involved, that doesn't mean the entire premise is copy-paste. If you've played both Deus Ex and Mass Effect then you'd know how thematically different they are.

nice joker reference.

its not copy paste .. but you cant deny how far the inspiration went. imo, they should have filtered their sources a bit better. other stuffs might have been better sources.

Dude, hell yea it's been inspired by other sci-fis. Bioware is proud of that fact. But there is a pretty big difference between calling something a rip-off and saying that it was inspired by other things.

Watch the video m8...if that isn't a rip-off I don't know what is, the dialogue even matches up.

[Ozida]

In short: no
In details: I still have faith in DA:Inquisition team as I liked DA2 (most likely because I have played it after ME3 ) and because devs are here, on forums, not hiding behind "artistic integrity" shields.... BUT I have no high expectations for BW games anymore. Good days are gone for them and I will only buy new games when on sale or if they get great reviews from real players. Even then I will be quite skeptical about it.

[MegaSovereign]

No, the dialogue does not match up. Some of Shepard's dialogue is even cut from other parts of ME3 to make it try to fit better. It still doesn't. lol

[TK514]

Walters and Hudson? No.

Other BW writers? I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't always agree with Gaider's choices, for example, but at least he's up front and honest about them, and I've enjoyed his game writing well enough so far.

[RocketManSR2]

No, I don't. Under EA's influence, I just can't see BioWare's games improving. Their overlords simply will never let BioWare make the kind of games that put them on the map. EA will always set a restrictive deadline and rush the dev studios that they own. That kind of atmosphere doesn't lend itself to creativity, just a focus on profits.

[spirosz]

Properly in terms of what, the way you want it to end or the way Bioware wants it to end?

[AlanC9]

The topic question depends on what you think the ending problem was.

Illogic? Likely to return. The Reaper plan never made any sense in the first place, and Bio has always prioritized emotion over logic.

Non-triumphant endings? Certain to return. Bio regrets that some folks don't like this sort of thing, but they're not apologetic about this, at all.

Other things are less likely. For instance, they probably won't try something like the breath scene again. People seem to interpret games differently from the way they interpret movies and TV, and there's no point in expecting more sense from the audience than it has. And if they had Priority:Earth to do over, I imagine they'd throw in a few mor war asset cutscenes.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 février 2013 - 05:25 .

[JamieCOTC]

I fully expect the next ME game to have a very safe ending. Will it be good? We won't know until it's done.

[Hexley UK]

spirosz wrote...

Properly in terms of what, the way you want it to end or the way Bioware wants it to end?

I find it even more worrying that BW wanted it to end the way it did, it means they actually thought that ME3's ending was good.....which is frankly mind blowing.

[Berty213]

chrisutd wrote...

Yep. Next question?

[Reap_ii]

i certainly wont preorder any Bioware games, like DA3 or the next Mass Defect. ill be cautious, read reviews and forums, all the while trying not to read spoilers. if im satisfied with the feedback i get from people and professionals then i will rent it. then if i like it enough i will try to buy a used copy of the game, because by the time im finished making up my mind, there will most likely be used copies available. if exclusive content available to preorders is good ill purchase it later on Live.

[Reap_ii]

simfamSP wrote...

The ending wasn't bad, it was incoherent. If it was foreshadowed and made sense with the rest of the narrative, could you honestly say it was badly written?

but it was NOT foreshadowed and it did NOT make sense with the rest of the narrative.  so i can honestly say it WAS badly written.

[Robhuzz]

Bioware in general....not really but individual writers? Definitely. I think they did a terrific job wrapping up old ME1 and 2 plot points like Tuchanka (by lesser extent Rannoch since it required retconning what legion said in ME2 to do it) but they just goofed when they tried introducing new plot points. Let's not get started on the ending.

I think there's plenty of writing talent remaining at bioware but they weren't able to come up with a proper conclusion to ME3 because....reasons. And like Reth said, Marauder shields or even MEHEM are a major improvement over the original ending and show it's perfectly possible to end the trilogy in a satisfying way, without resorting to stealing an ending from another game - and entirely different genre to boot.

The ending wasn't bad, it was incoherent. If it was foreshadowed and made sense with the rest of the narrative, could you honestly say it was badly written?

It was a cyberpunk style ending. IF Mass Effect had been a cyberpunk game and IF it had been foreshadowed, it wouldn't have been badly written. It would've been utterly lackluster but I couldn't call it bad writing then.

Well except for the star kid's 'logic' and the magic space beam, those might be better off in a fantasy game.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 février 2013 - 05:41 .

[UrgentArchengel]

It depends on the writer who is...you know...wrapping up the story. I think the biggest problem here is we don't know what is up with the endings, maybe if they were to talk about it, it might kill IT, but that defeats IT's purpose of making sense of things. I also don't blame them for staying on twitter either. Still, maybe if they try to explain everything as they designed it, wrote it, some of the hate may go away. I don't know, I can't see into the future, but it could help. Anyway, it depends on who writes ME Next. If it's Super Mac, I would be cautious, but if Weekes get promoted to lead writer, I would be really stoked. I also have faith in Mr. Gaider with DA. Despite being obviously rushed, I loved DAII's story in general.

[Iakus]

Honestly, I don't know.

I do know that when the next ME games roles around, one of my first questions will be "Why should I trust you again?"

[CaIIisto]

No, I have no interest in future games.

[Reap_ii]

simfamSP wrote...

 But what I meant was that the ending was train-wrecked into Florida because of its incoherence with the narrative set up.

this description leads me to believe the ending was bad.

[Elista]

We want Weekes !

My answer to the thread question is NO but I will probably buy the next games, giving them the benefit of doubt... and because I'm addicted to these series. But this addiction will not last long if they don't improve in writing...

[Dr_Extrem]

if they make another trilogy, it is very likely that the next story will be fine - they have not much to contradict at this point.

it still leaves this game and trilogy in its current state.