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[Applepie_Svk]

You should rather ask this right after DA2... while I didn´t have much problem with DA2 ending because hero atleast survived, that rumored DLC which was abadoned cause of low sales left the Hawke hanging in vacuum and his story was unfinished as hell.

You should also rather asked since the DA2 something like, is even BioWare able to make a coherent narrative anymore ?

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 février 2013 - 07:46 .

[McFlurry598]

This is a terrible example of why you don't trust bioware anymore OP. I have no respect for you people who don't trust bioware because of ME3 ending. Not EVERYTHING has to have a happy ending. Most certainly not ME3. The game is chaos, anarchy caused by the reapers. The entire GALAXY is at war. I didn't come into the game expecting a happy ending. It's not a ****ing Disney movie. I, for one, loved the EC ending. Post EC had flaws. But I love the ending to this game.

[Ticonderoga117]

Nope!

I feel bad for the Dragon Age fans.

[Allen Spellwaver]

Of course I do. The awkward ending of ME3 is forshadowed through the trilogy. They made a huge mystery for players to imagine and never tried to explain details of Reapers in ME2 aside from a little history of them with Protheans. The burden is totally land on ME3's shoulder and make it to take the blame if the whole thing messed up. I actually quite expected an ending that Reaper is still out there as a mysterious species.
What ME3 did wrong is the execution of the ending sequence.

[Jonathan Sud]

They DID end the story properly. The only reason it was incomplete prior to EC was because it lacked a resolution. We practically had to beg them for Extended Cut, but still...it has everything a story needs now.

It has exposition, the rising action with some turning points thrown in there, the climax, the falling action, and the resolution.

Learned this story structure BS in 6th grade, yo.

Modifié par Jonathan Sud, 24 février 2013 - 07:53 .

[RocketManSR2]

McFlurry598 wrote...

This is a terrible example of why you don't trust bioware anymore OP. I have no respect for you people who don't trust bioware because of ME3 ending. Not EVERYTHING has to have a happy ending. Most certainly not ME3. The game is chaos, anarchy caused by the reapers. The entire GALAXY is at war. I didn't come into the game expecting a happy ending. It's not a ****ing Disney movie. I, for one, loved the EC ending. Post EC had flaws. But I love the ending to this game.

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it." Also, the underlined invalidated your entire post. No one asked for that. There was plenty of variety in the 3 games that everybody should have had an ending they liked or wanted. People who post stuff like you just did really ****** me off. Did every damn soldier who went off to fight in WW2 die a horrible death or sacrifice themselves for the many? No, quite a few returned and started families and led mostly happy lives. Would you consider that "Disney?" I sure as hell wouldn't, because those same fathers and husbands also had to deal with the memories and waking up screaming in the middle of the night from reliving the moment where they saw several of their friends fly into pieces from a mortar strike. TL;DR: GTFO with your "it's not a Disney movie" ****. It's really ****ing annoying.

[sparkyo42]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Nope!

I feel bad for the Dragon Age fans.

I'm sure that the DA team may not be thanking the ME team, DA3 was going to have enough issues coming after the weak DA2, no they have a damaged fanbase that maybe much less forgiving.

Though I'm wondering which Game site will get a staff memebr in DA3.

[dirtdiver32318]

Double posted so needed to edit 

Modifié par dirtdiver32318, 24 février 2013 - 08:03 .

[Kulbelbolka]

After such a big sh*tstorm caused by ending I think that they made some conclusion. I can even imagine how they making a like/dislike list about endings. So I think they will make more personalized endings in their future games, actually based on your choices.

[dirtdiver32318]

Okay just beat the game as a vanguard yesterday again I was am one if those who doesn't agree with the ending it's weird odd confusing its kind of like looking for a religion hahha anyways I as I beat the game and the little bastard starts talking I think to myself in all his chirping why does Shepard go so you were built millions of years ago? Oh yeah? So the kid who died on earth happens to look exactly like you oh cool story bro! Like an I the only one or is Shepard a retard or maybe Shepard is sad about the endings and doesn't want to question the confusion? And yes I think they will end the next game well and the game after that by the game after that one I don't know haha

[Nerevar-as]

I´m not certain. Walters and Hudson can´t be allowed to be in the same city as the writing team, and about DA team, after DA2 I have my doubts. The Templar-Mage conflict escalation was very badly done.

[Applepie_Svk]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

They DID end the story properly. The only reason it was incomplete prior to EC was because it lacked a resolution. We practically had to beg them for Extended Cut, but still...it has everything a story needs now.

It has exposition, the rising action with some turning points thrown in there, the climax, the falling action, and the resolution.

Learned this story structure BS in 6th grade, yo.

Ask yourself, how would you react if they would never released EC ergo cliffhanger in every ending... and first and the only confirmation would come with "Leviathans". That´s not how you´re doing good narrative...

And what did EC ? Retcon... they rather retconed own "ärt" then just admit that it was depressive mess into crazy happy mess... someone said something like> We didn´t know that anyone would think that galaxy would be destroyed by the relay explosion or we didn´t think that fans would thought about how whole species will die from starvation. 

Three games we were fed how relay technology is beyound our comprehension, even Protheans which were far more advanced managed to built one little relay for one-way trip, but in the EC we got 2 out of 3 our Reaper bros rebuilding damanged not destroyed relays and in the third one we got fancy speech how we´ve fixed relays... goddamn I love retcons.

If they did execute story properly, we wouldn´t have greater gamming backlash, we wouldn´t need EC to "clarify" and we would be all one big happy fanbase instead of half-dead man trying to call the hospital.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 février 2013 - 08:16 .

[Hurbster]

Well they bollocked up both DA2 and ME3 endings and those were different teams. You could argue that DA2 was way more experimental, framing the story (very badly). Both suffered badly from a lack of coherent narrative, with especially ME3 dropping ideas proposed in the first two games in favour of dropping something in our laps in the last 10 minutes of the game. I can accept that maybe Shep does not have a happy ending (if you screw up big time). I'd like the option of my actions, war assets and decisions throughout the game working towards that ending, instead of war assets being the be all and end all of deciding whether he breathes or not. Oh and plot holes - bloody, massive plot holes you could drive a bus through.

Do I trust them to finish a story properly - it's more of a case of how many chances am I prepared to give them before I vote with my wallet. Lets just say after DA2 - ME3 WAS the last chance. So no more pre-ordering, no more first day purchases for me. I'll wait and see what the consensus is.

Modifié par Hurbster, 24 février 2013 - 08:10 .

[Hurbster]

Double post

Modifié par Hurbster, 24 février 2013 - 08:11 .

[devSin]

I don't necessarily trust them to make games that are anywhere as good as those they've made in the past, but there are plenty of talented writers and designers still at the company (tons of them on the DA team).

They just desperately need a new lead writer for this team. I will not buy any future game that shares the same lead writer as this travesty.

[McFlurry598]

RocketManSR2 

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it." Also, the underlined invalidated your entire post. No one asked for that. There was plenty of variety in the 3 games that everybody should have had an ending they liked or wanted. People who post stuff like you just did really ****** me off. Did every damn soldier who went off to fight in WW2 die a horrible death or sacrifice themselves for the many? No, quite a few returned and started families and led mostly happy lives. Would you consider that "Disney?" I sure as hell wouldn't, because those same fathers and husbands also had to deal with the memories and waking up screaming in the middle of the night from reliving the moment where they saw several of their friends fly into pieces from a mortar strike. TL;DR: GTFO with your "it's not a Disney movie" ****. It's really ****ing annoying.

LOL you mad bro? WW2 did not have giant sentient machines destroying everything in the entire galaxy. Your use of WW2 is extremely irrelevant.  Because  it has absolutely nothing to do wit ME3. My use of a 'Disney Ending' is what most people are asking for. Shepard, sitting on a beach with little blue babies with the galaxy at peace and no war. Sounds like a Disney ending to me. 

[Tonymac]

I would go on and on about how I hated the endings - and the EC was a decent try at fixing things. To be honest, the EC was a lot - given what they had to work with. It was a damn good effort - and much better than the original 'stuff'. I was impressed with their willingness to try and appease us fickle lot called fans.

But now, as we sit here thinking about it..... there is Citadel coming out. I have no idea if it will affect the ending(s). I hope it does. I'd like for them to hire good writers - ones that take their antidepressants or don't need them at all.

Here is to hoping for different endings! I will reserve my judgement until after the new content is out.

[Applepie_Svk]

McFlurry598 wrote...

LOL you mad bro? WW2 did not have giant sentient machines destroying everything in the entire galaxy. Your use of WW2 is extremely irrelevant.  Because  it has absolutely nothing to do wit ME3. My use of a 'Disney Ending' is what most people are asking for. Shepard, sitting on a beach with little blue babies with the galaxy at peace and no war. Sounds like a Disney ending to me. 

Coherent narrative and you can have so depressive ending as you want, as much that even Edgar Allan Poe would blush...

[Jon The Wizard]

Yes I trust Bioware to finish a story "properly". Why? Because a "proper" ending to a story is whatever the writer wants the ending to be. And I hate to have to be the one to smack you back into the realms of reality, but Mass Effect 3 had an ending. One not a lot of people liked, sure, but it still HAD one. It wasn't some B-S cliffhanger like so many other games do.

Side note, the ending wasn't as bad as you think it is. Quit complaining.

[clarkusdarkus]

Before DA2/SWTOR/ME3 bioware could tell a story i would always be invested in, Now slowly during those releases one by one its not just the story they cant make coherent and in tie with the narrative, But the games themselves are tedious and mediocre.....for ME1/2 an 80% of ME3 we knew we wanted to destroy the reapers, Yet the other 2 choices of endings come from nowhere and get closure, But the one we have strived for since 2007 gets no closure and is the same pre EC and after EC......and even worse is the complete indenial from there staff, And the arrogance and attitude from there PR team do nothing but fuel the flames and further creates distance between them and some of its fanbase.

So to summarise, No how can they tell a story when the creators see themselves above videogames( too videogamey )...Why invest in there new story when the trilogy they created split a fanbase, Why invest in a new protagonist when they leave the last one lying on the floor.

[Ticonderoga117]

Jon The Wizard wrote...

Yes I trust Bioware to finish a story "properly". Why? Because a "proper" ending to a story is whatever the writer wants the ending to be. And I hate to have to be the one to smack you back into the realms of reality, but Mass Effect 3 had an ending. One not a lot of people liked, sure, but it still HAD one. It wasn't some B-S cliffhanger like so many other games do.

Side note, the ending wasn't as bad as you think it is. Quit complaining.

Nope. A "proper" ending needs to be thematically consistent with the rest of the work, not drop plotlines, and not introduce new plotlines and characters.

[Mr.House]

This is kinda hard for me to answer. On one hand I would say yes because of ME2's ending, DA2's ending and ME3 ending, on the other hand SW, Trooper, smuggler, agent and BH(the choices I made and the ending I got) where very good and left me happy so the better question would be, do I trust Mac and Casey Hudson on anything including finishing a story, as they let me down with ME2 which did disappoint me alot and left me with no expectations at all for ME3(which could explain why I enjoyed the game overall despite the issues and that crap of an ending)

And my answer is very simple. No.