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[Legion of 1337]

Bioware's problem is not thinking **** out before they write it. That's what happened to Mass Effect, and will likely happen to Dragon Age 3.

[Dr_Extrem]

McFlurry598 wrote...

RocketManSR2 

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it." Also, the underlined invalidated your entire post. No one asked for that. There was plenty of variety in the 3 games that everybody should have had an ending they liked or wanted. People who post stuff like you just did really ****** me off. Did every damn soldier who went off to fight in WW2 die a horrible death or sacrifice themselves for the many? No, quite a few returned and started families and led mostly happy lives. Would you consider that "Disney?" I sure as hell wouldn't, because those same fathers and husbands also had to deal with the memories and waking up screaming in the middle of the night from reliving the moment where they saw several of their friends fly into pieces from a mortar strike. TL;DR: GTFO with your "it's not a Disney movie" ****. It's really ****ing annoying.

LOL you mad bro? WW2 did not have giant sentient machines destroying everything in the entire galaxy. Your use of WW2 is extremely irrelevant.  Because  it has absolutely nothing to do wit ME3. My use of a 'Disney Ending' is what most people are asking for. Shepard, sitting on a beach with little blue babies with the galaxy at peace and no war. Sounds like a Disney ending to me. 

don't make us smaller, than we were.

We wanted an uplifting ending, that makes sense. A simple reunion and a clear survival is too "Disney" for you? Thats a shame, because it is not. Nobody asked for Ingame-kids - only the clear outview, that kids are possible, within the borders of our fiction. That's a big difference.

[MrGMM88]

Considering DA2 and SWTOR i would say no. They need to make changes and learn to admit their mistakes instead of blaming their customers.

DA3 might be the last straw before EA lets the brand name die. At this point most people including the doctors are already gone so bioware as people knew it doesnt even exist anymore.

[AlanC9]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it."

How come? Surely you're not saying that a single game can satisfy everyone's desires; some of those desires are contradictory.

[McFlurry598]

AlanC9 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it."

How come? Surely you're not saying that a single game can satisfy everyone's desires; some of those desires are contradictory.

[Cuttlebone]

Anyone can make a satisfying ending, specially BW, if given the proper time, but as long as they keep rushing games, well... I'm not so sure.

[Legion of 1337]

Cuttlebone wrote...

Anyone can make a satisfying ending, specially BW, if given the proper time, but as long as they keep rushing games, well... I'm not so sure.

EA's got them by the balls now. There is little hope left for careful design.

[78stonewobble]

Pfsh ... I don't know. Maybe I'm a bit more weary the next time around.

I think I did preorder me3, because I knew I had to have it.

Was disappointed by the ending, but I would still have bought it to get more of the universe. But my interest have certainly cooled quite a bit.

Still... The next game from bioware (me4 or not) might be bad, it might be good and it might even be fantastic.

If it's good or fantastic the only one I'd be cheating by not buying it is myself. This time around I think I'll wait for review though.

PS: Also note... Sadly fantasy settings does nothing for me. So only stuff like Kotor (well you could call it fantasy as well ), mass effect or other scifi for me.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 24 février 2013 - 08:37 .

[McFlurry598]

Modifié par McFlurry598, 24 février 2013 - 08:38 .

[Mathias]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Considering DA2 and SWTOR i would say no. They need to make changes and learn to admit their mistakes instead of blaming their customers.

DA3 might be the last straw before EA lets the brand name die. At this point most people including the doctors are already gone so bioware as people knew it doesnt even exist anymore.

I am rooting for Bioware with DA3. Believe me, i want DA3 to be great. But a lot of things about it have filled me with dread so far, so i dunno.

The Oldguard of Bioware is pretty much gone at this point. Now we're left with a company that has lots of new faces, and they're all under EA's tightgrip. So we have the Newguard of Bioware now, which imo is an era that officially started with ME2. Not that ME2 was a bad game, in fact quite the opposite from my point of view, but it's when DA2 came around that Bioware's new colors started to show. And there's been a significant drop in quality with their products ever since.

[Unschuld]

Darth Revan91 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Considering DA2 and SWTOR i would say no. They need to make changes and learn to admit their mistakes instead of blaming their customers.

DA3 might be the last straw before EA lets the brand name die. At this point most people including the doctors are already gone so bioware as people knew it doesnt even exist anymore.

100% agreed

Yup. 

Will be interesting to see if ME4 even sees the light of day. EA's ax is hungry.

[AlanC9]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

We wanted an uplifting ending, that makes sense. A simple reunion and a clear survival is too "Disney" for you? Thats a shame, because it is not. Nobody asked for Ingame-kids - only the clear outview, that kids are possible, within the borders of our fiction. That's a big difference.

"Uplifting" and "makes sense" are completely unrelated things, of course. Not everyone wants every single game to have to be "uplifting."

I still don't understand what's unclear about high-EMS destroy. If you saw that in a movie or TV show you'd know exactly what it meant; why is is confusing when it's in a game?

[jijeebo]

Yes... Yes I do.

[Hexley UK]

Jon The Wizard wrote...

Yes I trust Bioware to finish a story "properly". Why? Because a "proper" ending to a story is whatever the writer wants the ending to be. And I hate to have to be the one to smack you back into the realms of reality, but Mass Effect 3 had an ending. One not a lot of people liked, sure, but it still HAD one. It wasn't some B-S cliffhanger like so many other games do.

Side note, the ending wasn't as bad as you think it is. Quit complaining.

Nobody said it didn't have an ending.....so i'm not sure what your babbling about.

Side note, the ending does suck in just about every way. You know very little about coherent narrative if you think any differently.

[Aaleel]

I don't know if trust is the right word. But after Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3, my confidence in Bioware is low. I don't think that they'll push out development cycles far enough to make a quality game from start to finish.

I also have little confidence they'll learn from their mistakes and plan out the entire story ahead of time instead of making it up as they go like they did with DA and ME.

[Dr_Extrem]

AlanC9 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it."

How come? Surely you're not saying that a single game can satisfy everyone's desires; some of those desires are contradictory.

Normally,  I would agree with you. In this case however, I can't. Mass effect had the potential to please almost everybody. It was in the nature of the series, to achieve this.


 

[Hexley UK]

AlanC9 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I have no respect for anyone that states "you can't have ______ because I don't like it."

How come? Surely you're not saying that a single game can satisfy everyone's desires; some of those desires are contradictory.

Might be a good idea to satisfy more than 5% of your audience though.

[McFlurry598]

Dr_Extrem 

don't make us smaller, than we were.

We wanted an uplifting ending, that makes sense. A simple reunion and a clear survival is too "Disney" for you? Thats a shame, because it is not. Nobody asked for Ingame-kids - only the clear outview, that kids are possible, within the borders of our fiction. That's a big difference.

Ive seen plenty of people want a 'Disney' ending. All I'm saying is. No one should have bought ME3 expecting a happy Disney ending.

[Untold]

BioWare is not infallible nor are they incompetent. While I dislike the ending, BioWare is still pretty much top notch storytellers in gaming. The three games could certainly have had their main plots tied together a bit better and fleshed out more, but I've enjoyed the Mass Effect story (ending excluded) for the entirety of the three games.

The Mass Effect trilogy is a unique beast of which we may never see again (I hope that we do). Three games linked and changed by your decisions is probably one of the most innovative things to come out of gaming in recent years. And whether we love or hate the endings, I think BioWare deserves some credit for delivering that to us. If the endings get improved with the DLC and they're just not telling us (because they couldn't without wrecking a surprise reveal or twist), that's icing on the cake.

Just my 2 credit chits.

Modifié par Untold, 24 février 2013 - 08:44 .

[Mathias]

McFlurry598 wrote...

The whole "Disney" ending thing, is an unfair exaggeration that attempts to make people who want a happier more fulfulling ending look immature. It's bull****. Did I except a super happy ending? No i didn't. But Bioware did tell us for 5 years that our choices throughout the trilogy would effect the ending, and a lot of other things they said, didn't help either. 

In fact i remember one person tweeted Casey if they'd be able to marry one of the LIs, and his exact response was...

"We got you covered."

I wish i could find the tweet, but it was a year ago. But yes, there were a lot of lies behind the development of this game. I played through the entire trilogy doing 100% completion playthroughs, making all the good decisions, just because i wanted to get that hard to get Perfect ending, where the good guys win, Shepard lives, and the Normandy turns second star to the right, straight on till morning.

[Dr_Extrem]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

We wanted an uplifting ending, that makes sense. A simple reunion and a clear survival is too "Disney" for you? Thats a shame, because it is not. Nobody asked for Ingame-kids - only the clear outview, that kids are possible, within the borders of our fiction. That's a big difference.

"Uplifting" and "makes sense" are completely unrelated things, of course. Not everyone wants every single game to have to be "uplifting."

I still don't understand what's unclear about high-EMS destroy. If you saw that in a movie or TV show you'd know exactly what it meant; why is is confusing when it's in a game?

A lot of things are unrelated but that does not stop people from wanting stuff like this.


 
Even in a tv-show, I would find the high-end destroy ending very unsatisfying. Its a cheap cop-out and IMHO, unworthy.

[McFlurry598]

Hexley UK 


Might be a good idea to satisfy more than 5% of your audience though.

I actually started a thread for ending lovers. It had around 11 pages. I'd consider that more than 5%. Don't forget the people who like the ending, but don't even bother to go on BSN forums

[Hexley UK]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

The whole "Disney" ending thing, is an unfair exaggeration that attempts to make people who want a happier more fulfulling ending look immature. It's bull****. Did I except a super happy ending? No i didn't. But Bioware did tell us for 5 years that our choices throughout the trilogy would effect the ending, and a lot of other things they said, didn't help either. 

In fact i remember one person tweeted Casey if they'd be able to marry one of the LIs, and his exact response was...

"We got you covered."

I wish i could find the tweet, but it was a year ago. But yes, there were a lot of lies behind the development of this game. I played through the entire trilogy doing 100% completion playthroughs, making all the good decisions, just because i wanted to get that hard to get Perfect ending, where the good guys win, Shepard lives, and the Normandy turns second star to the right, straight on till morning.

Same here, around 5 times each for ME1 & 2....finding out I shouldn't have bothered more than once was disappointing to say the least.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 24 février 2013 - 08:48 .

[Hexley UK]

McFlurry598 wrote...

Hexley UK 


Might be a good idea to satisfy more than 5% of your audience though.

I actually started a thread for ending lovers. It had around 11 pages. I'd consider that more than 5%. Don't forget the people who like the ending, but don't even bother to go on BSN forums

11 pages??!?

Dude there are hundreds of pages and tens of thousands of posts hating on the ending....don't kid yourself.

Of course you know this just as you know nobody asked for the "disney" ending you keep ranting about.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 24 février 2013 - 08:50 .