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[Jonathan Sud]

k.lalh wrote...

ME 2 was a great game, but in terms of the plot, it was the mother of all sidequests.

I just spat out soda. Couldn't be any more true.

[McFlurry598]

ohaithere wrote...

I don't understand, it seems like people just nitpick.

You're opening an old and healed wound bud.  I had no problems, only the fact that the interior of the Normandy looked like a floating 1950s clinic

edit: Oh!! Almost forgot, the probing of the planets was annoying and way to time-consuming

Modifié par McFlurry598, 25 février 2013 - 01:48 .

[M74]

The problem I have with Mass Effect 2 is that Mass Effect 3 came out after it.
Actually, Leviathan and From Ashes DLCs could have made Mass Effect 2 complete.
There would have not been a need for Mass Effect 3.

So, no, I don't have a problem with Mass Effect 2.

[Uncle Jo]

It was simply epic. Loved it. Best game I've ever played. Problem was the plot.

[o Ventus]

The lack of central focus in the Collector plot seems to be the biggest complaint.

I personally don't mind. The main plot was never the highlight for me. In fact, the Reaper plot always struck me as the weakest aspect. If Bioware wanted to make a large, expansive universe, why put all the focus on a single plot thread? ME2's focus on shorter, more personal side stories was its biggest strength in my opinion.

[CronoDragoon]

o Ventus wrote...

The lack of central focus in the Collector plot seems to be the biggest complaint.

I personally don't mind. The main plot was never the highlight for me. In fact, the Reaper plot always struck me as the weakest aspect. If Bioware wanted to make a large, expansive universe, why put all the focus on a single plot thread? ME2's focus on shorter, more personal side stories was its biggest strength in my opinion.

While I agree with you that ME2's story is better because it has character focus, I think it could have remained character-focused while going for more depth instead of width. Half the characters, twice the loyalty missions would have made for a better story, in my opinion. 

[Kataphrut94]

The biggest issue for me was the way the morality system worked - you had to be all the way Paragon or all the way Renegade to get the best results and pass those loyalty confrontation checks. That hurt the roleplaying and made the Renegade playthroughs incredibly frustrating, since that path simply does not work well without at least some neutral/paragon dialogue to balance out all the hatefulness.

Mass Effect 3 fixed most of these issues with the shared morality meter, the emphasis on increasing it through missions and the improved Renegade script. The funny thing is, nearly all of Mass Effect 3s big persuasion options were based on past choices, so the change wasn't even that necessary.

[ruggly]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The big problem with ME2 is that it forces ME3 to have to resolve a LOT of the storyline all in one game.

You can damn near literally remove ME2 ENTIRELY, and not impact the central plot of stopping the reapers in the slightest. The story of ME2 spins its wheels and goes exactly nowhere fast.

I actually think ME3 would have worked a lot better as a direct sequel to ME1.  The whole Synthetics vs Organics stuff would have made more sense as a central theme, and generally I'd say ME3 Cerberus fit better with ME1 Cerberus.

You know what makes it even funnier?

ME2 could have been placed before ME1, and with a few tweaks in the dialogue it would have made just as much sense. ME2 has pretty much all the same setting dynamics as ME1: the Alliance is alone and its frontier in danger the face of an unprovoked but advanced alien threat. The Council refuses to help for fears of the Terminus. The task for chasing down the threat rests on one team operating outside of the law.

Rather than knowing that the Reapers are out there and focusing on the Collectors, the Collectors could have been the lead-in to the Reapers themselves: without even uttering the word 'Reaper', we're left to mystify why the last of the Protheans are abducting us and making a vessel out of us (like, we presume, they did to themselves). Come ME1-now-ME2, Liara's revelation that the Protheans are part of a cycle, not the cause of their own absence, becomes the Reaper Plot Development that makes us realize how big the threat really is.

I've thought about that a bit after someone either here, or on r/me mentioned that.  And it's kind of funny as you said, how much better that would have worked out.  As it stands, ME2 does nothing really to advance the plot, and it does just feel like one giant side mission.  I still love it though, the characterization is great.

[SyK18]

There was a problem with ME2? When? How? WHATT??

1. It improved combat (still not a fan of thermal clips deal)
2. More characters.
3. Collectors being Protheans.
4. LOTSB.
5. Overlord.
6. Amzaing mission.
7.THE SUICIDE MISSION
8. EDI
9. Cerberus
10. Garrus
11. Omega
12. Everything

I could go on. and these are a list of good things...LEGION!!!! MOTHERFUKING QUARIAN FLEET!!!
THE SUICIDE MISSION!!!

[Sharn01]

ME2? The main plot was weak despite some of the side stories being pretty good. It really got the ball rolling on auto dialogue and Shep making decisions and behaving in a preset manner without the player's consent.

The games flaws get overlooked by a lot of players because the overall product was liked by them, ME3's flaws would also be overlooked had the ending met player expectations.

Modifié par Sharn01, 25 février 2013 - 03:04 .

[Evo_9]

The game was good but the human reaper destroyed the story line MUCH more than the ending ever did.

Also, it really annoyed me that shepard died and joined cerberus, just didnt make any sense it once again it destroyed the flow on from the original game.

Another thing is that spectres count for NOTHING at all in me2, unbelievable.

So basically, the game couldnt of started and ended any worse.

Modifié par Evo_9, 25 février 2013 - 03:04 .

[NeonFlux117]

Well, I don't have any problems with it. I guess many people think it's plot and narrative fail to move the reaper conflict along? Cause, the collectors didn't work for the Reapers or anything like that? And were not controlled by the Boss Hog Reaper himself right? And you didn't stop the Reapers from harvesting humanity to make the perfect reaper did you?

Right.

I really don't get why people have issues with ME2. ME1 and ME2 are masterpieces. Simple.

If you beleive ME2's plot didn't move the reaper conflict along, that's because of ME3. ME3 makes what you learn and do in ME3 not mater, because in the end there's nothing you can do. There's only 3 endings and you need Deus Ex Machina to defeat the reapers. All you need to do is play some multiplayer to defeat the reapers.

If taken as a standalone game, ME3 is actually decent.

It fails if you played ME1, and ME2.

"Best time to jump in". Nuff said.

[SyK18]

ZAEED!!! KASUMMIIII!!! PROBING URANUS!!!

[Evo_9]

oh and the mineral mining? oh my god....id rather stick a needle up my ****

[SyK18]

Evo_9 wrote...

The game was good but the human reaper destroyed the story line MUCH more than the ending ever did.

Also, it really annoyed me that shepard died and joined cerberus, just didnt make any sense it once again it destroyed the flow on from the original game.

Another thing is that spectres count for NOTHING at all in me2, unbelievable.

So basically, the game couldnt of started and ended any worse.

I thought so too, but after watching Leviathan it explained why the human Reaper was being created. It did seem silly back then but never destroyed it.

[NeonFlux117]

SyK18 wrote...

There was a problem with ME2? When? How? WHATT??

1. It improved combat (still not a fan of thermal clips deal)
2. More characters.
3. Collectors being Protheans.
4. LOTSB.
5. Overlord.
6. Amzaing mission.
7.THE SUICIDE MISSION
8. EDI
9. Cerberus
10. Garrus
11. Omega
12. Everything

I could go on. and these are a list of good things...LEGION!!!! MOTHERFUKING QUARIAN FLEET!!!
THE SUICIDE MISSION!!!

Makes me want to do like my 7th playthrough of ME2, lol. 


Damn, ME2 is amazing. No wonder it won like 40 GOTY awards. I think the most since Half Life 2 or something. I think I want to go back and play as a vanguard from ME2. I've only played as a soldier, infiltrator and soldier. ME2 is spectacular. 

[SyK18]

Evo_9 wrote...

oh and the mineral mining? oh my god....id rather stick a needle up my ****

Would have enjoyed the Mako in ME1 more. I did infact. 

[SyK18]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

There was a problem with ME2? When? How? WHATT??

1. It improved combat (still not a fan of thermal clips deal)
2. More characters.
3. Collectors being Protheans.
4. LOTSB.
5. Overlord.
6. Amzaing mission.
7.THE SUICIDE MISSION
8. EDI
9. Cerberus
10. Garrus
11. Omega
12. Everything

I could go on. and these are a list of good things...LEGION!!!! MOTHERFUKING QUARIAN FLEET!!!
THE SUICIDE MISSION!!!

Makes me want to do like my 7th playthrough of ME2, lol. 


Damn, ME2 is amazing. No wonder it won like 40 GOTY awards. I think the most since Half Life 2 or something. I think I want to go back and play as a vanguard from ME2. I've only played as a soldier, infiltrator and soldier. ME2 is spectacular. 

Played it 21x. It has the best replay value out of the trilogy and many different combinations for different endings.

[NeonFlux117]

SyK18 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

There was a problem with ME2? When? How? WHATT??

1. It improved combat (still not a fan of thermal clips deal)
2. More characters.
3. Collectors being Protheans.
4. LOTSB.
5. Overlord.
6. Amzaing mission.
7.THE SUICIDE MISSION
8. EDI
9. Cerberus
10. Garrus
11. Omega
12. Everything

I could go on. and these are a list of good things...LEGION!!!! MOTHERFUKING QUARIAN FLEET!!!
THE SUICIDE MISSION!!!

Makes me want to do like my 7th playthrough of ME2, lol. 


Damn, ME2 is amazing. No wonder it won like 40 GOTY awards. I think the most since Half Life 2 or something. I think I want to go back and play as a vanguard from ME2. I've only played as a soldier, infiltrator and soldier. ME2 is spectacular. 

Played it 21x. It has the best replay value out of the trilogy and many different combinations for different endings.

Holly Sh!t, 21 times!!!! Damn, that's intense. Have you played as a vanguard? Femshep. Have you killed Shepard, Just for kicks, lol? I agree. Easily the most replay value of the series. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 25 février 2013 - 03:14 .

[Evo_9]

SyK18 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

The game was good but the human reaper destroyed the story line MUCH more than the ending ever did.

Also, it really annoyed me that shepard died and joined cerberus, just didnt make any sense it once again it destroyed the flow on from the original game.

Another thing is that spectres count for NOTHING at all in me2, unbelievable.

So basically, the game couldnt of started and ended any worse.

I thought so too, but after watching Leviathan it explained why the human Reaper was being created. It did seem silly back then but never destroyed it.

It was an obvious and silly retcon though. Why do they need an "inner reaper"?

Also they dont explain why the human reaper was being constructed BEFORE the reapers invaded. What was the rush? why couldnt they wait until they invaded.

There were never any answers, it just seemed like ME2 was all over the place and they screwed up the story bigtime at some point and couldnt go back.

Modifié par Evo_9, 25 février 2013 - 03:16 .

[Bluefuse]

There were no tough choices. It was one of the few things it lacked.

[Nightwriter]

The main problem with ME2 was that it forgot it had a story to write.

[Vigilant111]

Piecemeal story lines, nonsensical story development, overall it feels like a collection of character DLCs

[NeonFlux117]

I was hugely mistaken- Mass Effect 2 won 164 GOTY awards.

[SyK18]

 Never played as Femshep, feels weird.
All types, Infiltrator was my fav.
Full Paragon / Renegade.
Wrex dead
Kaiden / Ashley alive
No upgrades
No Loyalty
Only ME1 squad alive
Perfect ending
Shepard dead
A bunch of different ones.

And ME3 only 2 playthroughs. The first one and then one for EC.