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[Kel Riever]

RussianZombeh wrote...

I don't get pro-controllers. In high-EMS destroy; Shepard lives, the reapers are destroyed, and everything is rebuilt. In control Shepard dies, the Reapers live and everything is fixed. I don't see the logic... wouldn't you rather Shepard lived and the Reapers were gone? Because that's what it boils down to in the end.

If you sort things in this order:

Synthesis - worst result
Low EMS Control
High EMS Control
Low EMS Destroy
Mid EMS Destroy
High EMS Destroy
Refuse - best result

It makes more sense 

Modifié par Kel Riever, 25 février 2013 - 12:39 .

[ruggly]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I picked Charmander.

No regrets.

I picked magikarp, gonna splash those reapers to death.

I tak that back, I choose this

Modifié par ruggly, 25 février 2013 - 01:08 .

[MegaSovereign]

RussianZombeh wrote...

I don't get pro-controllers. In high-EMS destroy; Shepard lives, the reapers are destroyed, and everything is rebuilt. In control Shepard dies, the Reapers live and everything is fixed. I don't see the logic... wouldn't you rather Shepard lived and the Reapers were gone? Because that's what it boils down to in the end.

With the Reapers around the reconstruction process is faster. Also the Geth and EDI are still alive.

So no, it doesn't really boil down to just what you said. I prefer Destroy myself, though.

[jtav]

And well, I want the power to shape the universe that Control gives me, to fight injustice in a way a mere human never could, to shape the galaxy. Control appeals for its own sake.

[SeptimusMagistos]

RussianZombeh wrote...

I don't get pro-controllers. In high-EMS destroy; Shepard lives, the reapers are destroyed, and everything is rebuilt. In control Shepard dies, the Reapers live and everything is fixed. I don't see the logic... wouldn't you rather Shepard lived and the Reapers were gone? Because that's what it boils down to in the end.

Somewhat, but not enough to throw away any more lives for that goal, be they organic or synthetic.

[JamieCOTC]

I don't think they hate destroy more than the other choices or they wouldn't have picked it in the first place. You just see more threads and posts of people complaining about destroy because Shepard lived and all they got was a breathe scene.

[MassEffecter27]

For me, the logical one is the DESTROY choice. The Reapers can't be trusted. Making them live is to disrespect Shepard's will toward the trilogy. When the Catalyst told me that synthetics would uprise towards the organics every cicle, I remembered: ''I, along with the Quarians, have defeated the Geths, why can't I defeat the Reapers as well?'' That made me choose immediately: RED ONE. Besides, with the tecnology of the Mass Effect time, they could create any AIs they want. I'm happy with my ending. The organics could now envolve without the Reaper threat

[Bill Casey]

Shepard builds an omnipotent being in his own image out of 20,00 cycles worth of zombie slaves and lords over the galaxy...

THE END...

[Aurora313]

I have headcanons for all of the endings including paragon and renegade alignments. Up to and including refuse.

[o Ventus]

Man, where's Auld Wulf?

[CronoDragoon]

I agree with the OP. Control and Synthesis peeps seem more satisfied with their own endings than I am with Destroy. Of course, I'd be even more unsatisfied picking Control or Synthesis as someone who agrees more with the principle of Destroy. It's a matter of the consequences being disconnected from the thematic statement of Destroy moreso than they are in Control and Synthesis (unless you hate AIs, then Destroy will likely satisfy you).

[NeonFlux117]

"I LOVED the ending"

Cool story bro.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

o Ventus wrote...

Man, where's Auld Wulf?

Here, I'll help you with your Auld Wulf fix until he shows up.

"All destroyers don't know how to think and they are like hitler."

Am I doin it rite?

[Meltemph]

You could make the argument taht the reason people, one average, who like destroy are unhappy with the ending, is because they take a more pragmatic approach to situations, and the ending was anything but.

People picking the other options, typically(I know generalizations FTW) come across to me as more whimsicle in nature, with video games, or at least less concerned with any pragmatism, as long as it makes them happy or feel good about the choice.

Modifié par Meltemph, 25 février 2013 - 04:33 .

[o Ventus]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Man, where's Auld Wulf?

Here, I'll help you with your Auld Wulf fix until he shows up.

"All destroyers don't know how to think and they are like hitler."

Am I doin it rite?

Just add in some "Destroyers are Luddites" and flaunt your morality and intelligence, and I won't be able to tell the difference.

[Obadiah]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I agree with the OP. Control and Synthesis peeps seem more satisfied with their own endings than I am with Destroy. Of course, I'd be even more unsatisfied picking Control or Synthesis as someone who agrees more with the principle of Destroy. It's a matter of the consequences being disconnected from the thematic statement of Destroy moreso than they are in Control and Synthesis (unless you hate AIs, then Destroy will likely satisfy you).

There's a pretty good poll thread about this, where someone analyzed people's satisfaction with the ending. Destroy folks are the most disatisfied.

[Vigilant111]

@OP: In destroy, mission is accomplished with a great loss of lives, yet in control and synthesis, mission is "accomplished" by sacrificing only one person... the scale is tipping

[Uncle Jo]

Dr_Extrem wrote...


you are missing a critical point - this is not about paragon or renegade shepard it is not even about the ai that was build using certain parts of shepards personality.

this is about he peoples perception of the reapers. what do we know about reapers? cunning and deadly machine-entities, that are ruthless in the execution of ther plans.

they kill, build death camps, indoctrinate, turn our own against us - they are generally not great guys to have around. this perception does not change. people will still see them as evil monsters, who killed their families and enslaved the galaxy. people have an established view on the reapers, solidified by months of horror and war.
they dont even know, that shepard is now controling them .. and if they would, they would most likely think: "why the hell are they still around and not flying into the next sun?"

*snipped*

This is my main concern when I headcanon the control outcome. The Reapers have done too much damage, caused too much pain and suffering. People won't forget and probably won't forgive.

When I see the outcomes of our wars, the hate and the grudges which are still hold decades after the conflict, I get dizzy when I try to apply it to the aftermath of the Reaper War.

Shepard can also be considered as a traitor by many and won't be trusted. But the most important point is that she and her new pals represent a formidable sword of Damocles which will prevent many from sleeping. Her power has no match and breaks the balance of the galaxy.

With such a power you can't have your place in the galaxy, because its rules can't/doesn't apply to you.

Protect/Guard the many? As someone here already said, how are going to make the difference? How are you going to protect? By wiping out the troublemakers?
What if two races or more are at war? On which side will you stay? Based on what reasons? How are going to prevent them killing each other? By shouting at them? Threatening them? If you threaten them you'll inspire fear, the threatened will hold the grudge.

That's why Shepalyst and the Reapers will never be accepted. For me there is no doubt that, at some point, the galaxy will try to get rid of this cumbersome and potentially dangerous "Ally".

IMO there is only one possible option for Reapard is to help rebuild the galaxy asap, don't meddle in any way in the galactic matters and get the hell out of the galaxy before being dragged in some petty organic matters. But it's already began didn't it?

Anyway like I said, this is just my personal opinion/headcanon.

There is another view about Control and the fate of Reapard, which is called (I think) the "Dr. Manhattan theory" from Crutchcricket (hope I spellt it correctly) and which is really worth to read.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 25 février 2013 - 03:22 .

[jtav]

I think it's that Destroyers mostly wanted to blow the Reapers up and go home, whole Controllers and Synthesisizers were more okay with a bittersweet end.

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

I think it's that Destroyers mostly wanted to blow the Reapers up and go home, whole Controllers and Synthesisizers were more okay with a bittersweet end.

You say this like Destroy is somehow less bittersweet than the others.

So Shepard losing numerous friends and allies (and possibly a lover), even sacrificing an entire race of synthetics and having to live with the consequences is somehow not "bittersweet"? 

[RocketManSR2]

 What the Catalyst says regarding the Destroy choice are very reminiscent of Balak and his threat to blow up the hostages if you attack him. The Catalyst can clearly target whatever it wants with it's space magic. "If you pick Destroy, I'll kill EDI and the geth! I mean it!" That's what I heard, an out of control AI making threats and using innocents as a shield. I passed judgment on behalf of the trillions upon trillions that the Catalyst has murdered over millions of years.

[SyK18]

Unlike Destroyer hater I can actually understand why Controllers and Synthesizers (majority) are satisfied with the ending.

Maybe Control and Synthesis got closure and Destroy is still left with a big ? about Shepard. Could that possibly be a reason why Destroyers are still dissatisfied?

People who chose Blue and Green: " Nah! They are just stupid gamers who whine about ****. They have no reason to be annoyed by their choice of ending. their opinion is ****! But our opinion, nobody can question that, that's, like blasphemy or some ****"

Do i sound like an ass when generalizing Control and Synthesis choosers, yea. But so do you when you generalize Destroyers.

[McFlurry598]

SyK18 wrote...

Unlike Destroyer hater I can actually understand why Controllers and Synthesizers (majority) are satisfied with the ending.

Maybe Control and Synthesis got closure and Destroy is still left with a big ? about Shepard. Could that possibly be a reason why Destroyers are still dissatisfied?

People who chose Blue and Green: " Nah! They are just stupid gamers who whine about ****. They have no reason to be annoyed by their choice of ending. their opinion is ****! But our opinion, nobody can question that, that's, like blasphemy or some ****"

Do i sound like an ass when generalizing Control and Synthesis choosers, yea. But so do you when you generalize Destroyers.

Dont like it? Don't click on the thread

[SyK18]

McFlurry598 wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

Unlike Destroyer hater I can actually understand why Controllers and Synthesizers (majority) are satisfied with the ending.

Maybe Control and Synthesis got closure and Destroy is still left with a big ? about Shepard. Could that possibly be a reason why Destroyers are still dissatisfied?

People who chose Blue and Green: " Nah! They are just stupid gamers who whine about ****. They have no reason to be annoyed by their choice of ending. their opinion is ****! But our opinion, nobody can question that, that's, like blasphemy or some ****"

Do i sound like an ass when generalizing Control and Synthesis choosers, yea. But so do you when you generalize Destroyers.

Dont like it? Don't click on the thread

Umm... it kinda pertains to me. I chose Destroy.