chemiclord wrote...
Let me ask you all a question.
Is Final Fantasy 7 an RPG?
I wonder how many people will answer correctly.
AlanC9 wrote...
SyK18 wrote...
Wait a sec?! Mass Effect 3 is NOT a RPG?? What else has Bioware lied about?
StayFrosty05 was just trying to get more people to read the thread. Kinda cheesy, but we see worse here every day.
Jadebaby wrote...
The way I see it Mass Effect 1 has the most RPG elements, then Mass Effect 2.
Lastly, ME3.
StayFrosty05 wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
SyK18 wrote...
Wait a sec?! Mass Effect 3 is NOT a RPG?? What else has Bioware lied about?
StayFrosty05 was just trying to get more people to read the thread. Kinda cheesy, but we see worse here every day.
Just tapping into some disgruntled opinions I have seen plaenty of on BSN....
I disagree Jade. Dialog is only one part of an rpg, and it's the only good thing mE2 had compared to ME and ME3 better in every other department. Dialog is important but you can't judge an rpg just on that, you have to judge on all elements. ME2 was the most streamline in gameplay that just had the benefit of a good dialog system (though ME2 still had laot of auto dialog that hurtt he game, which peopel seem to ignore. Hell, LOTSB is well loved, yet that was the start of heavy focus on auto dialog.Jadebaby wrote...
The way I see it Mass Effect 1 has the most RPG elements, then Mass Effect 2.
Lastly, ME3.
StayFrosty05 wrote...
arial wrote...
It is an RPG.
Genre's evolve overtime, ME3 is what the "Sci-fi RPG" has evolved into.
Not saying it is good (I, as most of the civilized world, dislike change).
the RPG Genre has been changing for years, its not classic RPG, but this is what RPGs have become.
"There is only one thing that does not change in this world, and that is the fact things will always change"
I beg to differ....ME3 evolved into just another linear story shooter...preset characters, relationships, etc....
"I won't sacrifice the soul of our species."sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
This isn't about strategy or tactics. We fight or we die.
Mr.House wrote...
I disagree Jade. Dialog is only one part of an rpg, and it's the only good thing mE2 had compared to ME and ME3 better in every other department. Dialog is important but you can't judge an rpg just on that, you have to judge on all elements. ME2 was the most streamline in gameplay that just had the benefit of a good dialog system (though ME2 still had laot of auto dialog that hurtt he game, which peopel seem to ignore. Hell, LOTSB is well loved, yet that was the start of heavy focus on auto dialog.Jadebaby wrote...
The way I see it Mass Effect 1 has the most RPG elements, then Mass Effect 2.
Lastly, ME3.
....I didn't click until you wrote that as to why I dislike LotSB so much....that's it....
...I played it through a few times, didn't like, so only ended up doing it for games I planned to export to ME3...and now that I have played ME3 through, I don't do LotSB at all.
Steelcan wrote...
I only have an issue with auto-dialogue when it interferes with my Shepard. In battle dialogue doesn't tend to do that, it's the words that come out between the sparse options on the tree
CronoDragoon wrote...
The funny thing as I suspect you are pointing out about RPGs is: there's always someone that can claim their game is more of an RPG, all the way back to tabletop dice-throwers.
Tabletop RPGers look down on text-based RPGers look down on CRPGers look down on ME1 fans look down on ME3 fans.
Steelcan wrote...
I only have an issue with auto-dialogue when it interferes with my Shepard. In battle dialogue doesn't tend to do that, it's the words that come out between the sparse options on the tree
you can be upset with Joker....<_<....My choice once I found that out, stay the heck away from Joker....
. I don't have an issue with Liaea and Shepard arguing about tech. I have an issue when I become Alliance fanboyspirosz wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
I only have an issue with auto-dialogue when it interferes with my Shepard. In battle dialogue doesn't tend to do that, it's the words that come out between the sparse options on the tree
A ding, ding, dingaling, ding.
chemiclord wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
The funny thing as I suspect you are pointing out about RPGs is: there's always someone that can claim their game is more of an RPG, all the way back to tabletop dice-throwers.
Tabletop RPGers look down on text-based RPGers look down on CRPGers look down on ME1 fans look down on ME3 fans.
Pretty much.
The term "RPG" at this point means next to nothing. Try to pin down a consensus on what defines an RPG. Get three people together and you'll get 5 opinions.
. I hate Thessia....... Everything about it.StayFrosty05 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
I only have an issue with auto-dialogue when it interferes with my Shepard. In battle dialogue doesn't tend to do that, it's the words that come out between the sparse options on the tree
Even the sparse options on the tree....eg. After Thessia, option a) you can be upset with Joker, option
I quite enjoy the Battle dialog....
spirosz wrote...
chemiclord wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
The funny thing as I suspect you are pointing out about RPGs is: there's always someone that can claim their game is more of an RPG, all the way back to tabletop dice-throwers.
Tabletop RPGers look down on text-based RPGers look down on CRPGers look down on ME1 fans look down on ME3 fans.
Pretty much.
The term "RPG" at this point means next to nothing. Try to pin down a consensus on what defines an RPG. Get three people together and you'll get 5 opinions.
Samara, is that you?
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Modifié par Mr.House, 25 février 2013 - 04:01 .
Modifié par spirosz, 25 février 2013 - 04:05 .
. ME3's paragon bias kind of wrecked my Shepard in some points.spirosz wrote...
Tbh, I thought ME2 was close to perfect, I never felt like I lost control of my Shepard and there was a good amount of auto-dialogue mind you, but it was mostly used in situations where Shepard would start a conversation, like during Thane's recruitment mission and Nassana. Now, I know this isn't the same case for everyone and I understand that, but overall - I found that the interruptions, the the dialogue felt great. I used to save before talking to people, just to see the different outcomes, especially staying neutral with Jack, Shepard and Jack both come out expressing themselves differently, compared to Paragon and Renegade (where he would either sound too "fix-her" (which I wasn't trying to achieve) or too "not me".
I felt that you only need two playthroughs with ME3 to get the full gist, compared to ME1 and 2. Also, renegade Shepard felt a bit... I don't know out-of-place with a lot of the auto-dialogue and my Shepard was a neutral-paragon mindset.... so.
Rambling.
Zakuspec089 wrote...
Mass Effect is an RPG we get to make choices, in other games we don;t!!!!!!
anmiro wrote...
Mass Effect 3 is as much an RPG as Black Ops 2 is an RPG. Both games offer customization, optional side missions and the ocassional choice that will effect the outcome of the story. While I do enjoy the improved gameplay mechanics since ME1, I would have preferred if BW had focused on developing and improving its RPG elements.
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