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[SeismicGravy]

Cimeas wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

 

To be honest, I thought you were female until I got linked to your twitter, where your picture shows you're a guy.   Still, I always thought Blair was a female name.

Probably watching too much Gossip Girl. 

Our last Prime Minister was named Blair (first name Tony). Strange thing was he always looked more feminine than his wife.

The difference however is that Blair Brown is not a douchebag, whereas Blair (Tony) is. 

Modifié par SeismicGravy, 28 février 2013 - 01:02 .

[JWvonGoethe]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Our last Prime Minister was named Blair (first name Tony). Strange thing was he always looked more feminine than his wife.

The difference however is that Blair Brown is not a douchebag, whereas Blair (Tony) is. 

Actually, Tony Blair was the second last British Prime Minister. Spookily, the last Prime Minister was called Gordon Brown.

As in Tony Blair/Gordon Brown.

Blair. Brown.

Blair Brown.

Another Bioware conspiracy???

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 28 février 2013 - 04:57 .

[SeismicGravy]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Our last Prime Minister was named Blair (first name Tony). Strange thing was he always looked more feminine than his wife.

The difference however is that Blair Brown is not a douchebag, whereas Blair (Tony) is. 

Actually, Tony Blair was the second last British Prime Minister. Spookily, the last PM was called Gordon Brown.

As in Tony Blair/Gordon Brown.

Blair. Brown.

Blair Brown.

Another Bioware conspiracy???

Holy........

Mind:


I'd genuinley forgot about Gordon Brown. Just goes to show how much of an impact he had on the UK.

[JWvonGoethe]

First time I saw Blair Brown posting on the BSN I genuinely assumed he was just a slightly-too-obsessed British Labour party fanatic.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 28 février 2013 - 05:20 .

[bEVEsthda]

Well, I think it looks OK.
Tevinter too.

It really has to be a horribly bad game, I mean really, for me to search for something to complain about in those clothes.

That said, the rapier-like sword has me slightly worried. It would mean Orlesian steel knowledge is considerably ahead of everybody else. That is entirely possible though, of course.

[Savber100]

I like the Orlesians and Fereldans...


But please tone down the "dark and moody" of the Tenvinters... I hate to think them as some "big bad"

[Das Tentakel]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Well, I think it looks OK.
Tevinter too.

It really has to be a horribly bad game, I mean really, for me to search for something to complain about in those clothes.

That said, the rapier-like sword has me slightly worried. It would mean Orlesian steel knowledge is considerably ahead of everybody else. That is entirely possible though, of course.

That mid-to-late 19th century 'Seconde Empire' clock is what bothers me more, as I suspect that is supposed to be Orlesian as well. So, early modern steel technology and early industrial-era mechanical devices, but no gunpowder...
So, we have an Orlesian dude with tights and floppy hat with feather (vaguely 16th century), a modern Scottish kilt (but not made out of plaid material), a jacket combining elements of 19th / early 20th century waistcoats with the shoulderpads of a toreador costume, and a 17th century (I think, based on the 'basket hilt') rapier. Plus the 19th century clock, of course.

Ah well, it's not as if I didn't know that Thedas wasn't an 'everything but the kitchensink generic fantasy setting'. And those can be fun, in a 'what the hell why not' kind of way. Jade Empire had airships, so why not modern-era technology in the formerly pseudo-medieval European setting...
(I was only half-kidding about the dwarven steam train. Probably going to be a lyrium steam train...and why am I thinking of WoW's Steampunk goblins and gnomes?)

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 28 février 2013 - 07:54 .

[Solmanian]

Savber100 wrote...

I like the Orlesians and Fereldans...


But please tone down the "dark and moody" of the Tenvinters... I hate to think them as some "big bad"

Ofcourse not. Just because they were a central part of every holy war in thedas, strong supporter of slavery, and frequently bleed said slaves to use their lifeblood as "feul" for their unholy rituals... 

[Dutchess]

Das Tentakel wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Well, I think it looks OK.
Tevinter too.

It really has to be a horribly bad game, I mean really, for me to search for something to complain about in those clothes.

That said, the rapier-like sword has me slightly worried. It would mean Orlesian steel knowledge is considerably ahead of everybody else. That is entirely possible though, of course.

That mid-to-late 19th century 'Seconde Empire' clock is what bothers me more, as I suspect that is supposed to be Orlesian as well. So, early modern steel technology and early industrial-era mechanical devices, but no gunpowder...

Don't the Qunari have gunpowder? Or doesn't that count?

[Daralii]

Solmanian wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

I like the Orlesians and Fereldans...


But please tone down the "dark and moody" of the Tenvinters... I hate to think them as some "big bad"

Ofcourse not. Just because they were a central part of every holy war in thedas, strong supporter of slavery, and frequently bleed said slaves to use their lifeblood as "feul" for their unholy rituals... 

You forgot the mages that kill people in their dreams.

It's the nation with the Black Chantry, and these are nobility(read: brown-nosers), so I assume it's more them trying to get on the good side of the Archon/Black Divine than any statment from Bioware about their morality.

That said, Tevinter is no doubt the most morally black country in the known world.

[Fast Jimmy]

Das Tentakel wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Well, I think it looks OK.
Tevinter too.

It really has to be a horribly bad game, I mean really, for me to search for something to complain about in those clothes.

That said, the rapier-like sword has me slightly worried. It would mean Orlesian steel knowledge is considerably ahead of everybody else. That is entirely possible though, of course.

That mid-to-late 19th century 'Seconde Empire' clock is what bothers me more, as I suspect that is supposed to be Orlesian as well. So, early modern steel technology and early industrial-era mechanical devices, but no gunpowder...
So, we have an Orlesian dude with tights and floppy hat with feather (vaguely 16th century), a modern Scottish kilt (but not made out of plaid material), a jacket combining elements of 19th / early 20th century waistcoats with the shoulderpads of a toreador costume, and a 17th century (I think, based on the 'basket hilt') rapier. Plus the 19th century clock, of course.

Ah well, it's not as if I didn't know that Thedas wasn't an 'everything but the kitchensink generic fantasy setting'. And those can be fun, in a 'what the hell why not' kind of way. Jade Empire had airships, so why not modern-era technology in the formerly pseudo-medieval European setting...
(I was only half-kidding about the dwarven steam train. Probably going to be a lyrium steam train...and why am I thinking of WoW's Steampunk goblins and gnomes?)

I knew it would be a matter of time before someone put a clock in a DA game. It REALLY begs the question of the level of technology involved when that stuff starts slipping in.

[Sherbet Lemon]

I just wanted to say that I really love the concept art here because, I don't know, I guess the designs really speak to the themes and characterization of each nation?  Both Orlais and Tevinter are considered sort of iconoclastic in their approach to the way that things are supposed to be done so it makes sense that the fashion and those who live in their respective nations would be compelling and somewhat avant-garde in their dress. 

But then I really, really, really, like modern high fashion.  It's not sensible dress but it's fun and the imagery really makes a dramatic statement.  Their is such a thing as art for art's sake and fashion is art also...

But again, that's just me and I totally recognize that.  I really can't wait for this game! 

[Wulfram]

The aesthetics might be 19th century, but I don't think, based on a quick glance at Wikipedia, there's anything technologically in that clock that couldn't more or less fit in at around 1500.

Modifié par Wulfram, 28 février 2013 - 09:01 .

[Das Tentakel]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

That mid-to-late 19th century 'Seconde Empire' clock is what bothers me more, as I suspect that is supposed to be Orlesian as well. 

I knew it would be a matter of time before someone put a clock in a DA game. It REALLY begs the question of the level of technology involved when that stuff starts slipping in.

WoW-style levels of technology, seriously, though with a more consistently dark tone and without the stylized cartoony look. Though when it comes to a baroque pastiche, I think I prefer Azeroth. If you're going overboard with mashing things together, might as well go all the way. Though I guess it'll look better in Frostbite 'Deux'.
It's also very much Forgotten Realms-y and Eberron-y in that respect, but that kind of figures. 

Wulfram wrote...

The aesthetics might be 19th century, but I don't think, based on a quick glance at Wikipedia, there's anything technologically in that clock that couldn't more or less fit in at around 1500.

That's not the point: they copied a specific type of clock, and it's not one from the 1500s. As for the innards of the clock: Ddddduhhh! No way of telling if it's late 19th century or early 16th century, because the clock only exists as a piece of concept art. Might as well make that argument about 16th century muskets and industrial-era rifled muskets.
It doesn't matter anyway. Generic fantasy space and all that. No need to make sense.
Azeroth, too, has clocks and blunderbusses and cannons as well .

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 28 février 2013 - 09:18 .

[Sejborg]

Das Tentakel wrote...
Generic fantasy space and all that. No need to make sense.

You said the "g" word. 

[Savber100]

Solmanian wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

I like the Orlesians and Fereldans...


But please tone down the "dark and moody" of the Tenvinters... I hate to think them as some "big bad"

Ofcourse not. Just because they were a central part of every holy war in thedas, strong supporter of slavery, and frequently bleed said slaves to use their lifeblood as "feul" for their unholy rituals... 

Which I dislike... They were modelled after the Eastern Roman Empire so why should their culture be necessarily evil? 

Name a real-life example of an evil, unredeemable culture and I'm not talking about political parties like say the ****s. 

Edit: Why the heck are N a z i s bleeped out? 

Modifié par Savber100, 28 février 2013 - 10:08 .

[Uccio]

No clocks in DA, seriously. No.

Unless its a sun clock.

[Daralii]

Das Tentakel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

That mid-to-late 19th century 'Seconde Empire' clock is what bothers me more, as I suspect that is supposed to be Orlesian as well. 

I knew it would be a matter of time before someone put a clock in a DA game. It REALLY begs the question of the level of technology involved when that stuff starts slipping in.

WoW-style levels of technology, seriously, though with a more consistently dark tone and without the stylized cartoony look. Though when it comes to a baroque pastiche, I think I prefer Azeroth. If you're going overboard with mashing things together, might as well go all the way. Though I guess it'll look better in Frostbite 'Deux'.
It's also very much Forgotten Realms-y and Eberron-y in that respect, but that kind of figures. 

It's probably a little below Warcraft; no blackpowder weapons smaller than a cannon, no steam engines/robots, and no aliens... yet.

[Das Tentakel]

Sejborg wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...
Generic fantasy space and all that. No need to make sense.

You said the "g" word. 

Bijlo! Me bad... 

[bEVEsthda]

Gunpowder was first mentioned in european writings in the middle of 11th century.
Chinese writings describe something gunpowder'ish half a century later.

But it took to the 13th century before the europeans tried building and using some sort of cannons. And it took all the time to the 15th century before it really took off.
It's not so easy, to build a cannon that doesn't blow apart and kill its crew and assembled, curious high nobles and royalty. The alchemists could do the gunpowder, but the gunbarrel technology was a different thing.
It remained a problem into the 19th century. Even as quality bronze solved the problem, it turned out to be too expensive for the massive war campaigns, which had progressively evolved in Europe. With cheaper iron they were back at square one.

Why am I mentioning this? Because even if the Qunari have gunpowder, they don't know what to do with it. And neither will anyone else for another 300-400 years.

So rest easy. Our fantasy will remain pure and untarnished. There will be no steamdriven, blackpowder machineguns.

...I hope. 

[LinksOcarina]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Gunpowder was first mentioned in european writings in the middle of 11th century.
Chinese writings describe something gunpowder'ish half a century later.

But it took to the 13th century before the europeans tried building and using some sort of cannons. And it took all the time to the 15th century before it really took off.
It's not so easy, to build a cannon that doesn't blow apart and kill its crew and assembled, curious high nobles and royalty. The alchemists could do the gunpowder, but the gunbarrel technology was a different thing.
It remained a problem into the 19th century. Even as quality bronze solved the problem, it turned out to be too expensive for the massive war campaigns, which had progressively evolved in Europe. With cheaper iron they were back at square one.

Why am I mentioning this? Because even if the Qunari have gunpowder, they don't know what to do with it. And neither will anyone else for another 300-400 years.

So rest easy. Our fantasy will remain pure and untarnished. There will be no steamdriven, blackpowder machineguns.

...I hope. 

Wait...since when is Dragon Age on track with real world history?

[bEVEsthda]

LinksOcarina wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Gunpowder was first mentioned in european writings in the middle of 11th century.
Chinese writings describe something gunpowder'ish half a century later.

But it took to the 13th century before the europeans tried building and using some sort of cannons. And it took all the time to the 15th century before it really took off.
It's not so easy, to build a cannon that doesn't blow apart and kill its crew and assembled, curious high nobles and royalty. The alchemists could do the gunpowder, but the gunbarrel technology was a different thing.
It remained a problem into the 19th century. Even as quality bronze solved the problem, it turned out to be too expensive for the massive war campaigns, which had progressively evolved in Europe. With cheaper iron they were back at square one.

Why am I mentioning this? Because even if the Qunari have gunpowder, they don't know what to do with it. And neither will anyone else for another 300-400 years.

So rest easy. Our fantasy will remain pure and untarnished. There will be no steamdriven, blackpowder machineguns.

...I hope. 

Wait...since when is Dragon Age on track with real world history?

It isn't. I just tried to make a case for that we don't have to have guns, just because Qunari have gunpowder. It's not a neccessary consequence. The Chinese never evolved firearms at all, on their own. They made rockets though.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 28 février 2013 - 11:06 .

[LinksOcarina]

bEVEsthda wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Gunpowder was first mentioned in european writings in the middle of 11th century.
Chinese writings describe something gunpowder'ish half a century later.

But it took to the 13th century before the europeans tried building and using some sort of cannons. And it took all the time to the 15th century before it really took off.
It's not so easy, to build a cannon that doesn't blow apart and kill its crew and assembled, curious high nobles and royalty. The alchemists could do the gunpowder, but the gunbarrel technology was a different thing.
It remained a problem into the 19th century. Even as quality bronze solved the problem, it turned out to be too expensive for the massive war campaigns, which had progressively evolved in Europe. With cheaper iron they were back at square one.

Why am I mentioning this? Because even if the Qunari have gunpowder, they don't know what to do with it. And neither will anyone else for another 300-400 years.

So rest easy. Our fantasy will remain pure and untarnished. There will be no steamdriven, blackpowder machineguns.

...I hope. 

Wait...since when is Dragon Age on track with real world history?

It isn't. I just tried to make a case for that we don't have to have guns, just because Qunari have gunpowder. It's not a neccessary consequence. The Chinese never evolved firearms at all, on their own. They made rockets though.

As a historian I applaud your efforts, but I think you could have just said authorial intent in the end for why .

Although it is curious that they have grenades in the game but no rockets or gunpowder...then again the Gaatlock alludes to it being used somehow, and the Dwarves are making their own explosions. 

Perhaps we should move that date up 400 years? 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 28 février 2013 - 11:10 .

[Cimeas]

Who really cares what level of history DA is? Frankly, adding in some clockpunk/18th century elements would be great, because it would add variety from the traditional fantasy stuff.

[Das Tentakel]

Cimeas wrote...

Who really cares what level of history DA is? Frankly, adding in some clockpunk/18th century elements would be great, because it would add variety from the traditional fantasy stuff.

You don't play many fantasy crpg's do you? That stuff is pretty common these days, see WoW and Torchlight or Fable 2 or Guild Wars 2. Part of the mainstream fantasy toolbox. It IS traditional (RPG) fantasy now.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 28 février 2013 - 11:38 .