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[shodiswe]

ME3 has a lot of good in it but there are less sucessful sections of it, like priority earth, and the ending/s in general. The EC did help somewhat but it's still not what I think it should have been from a great series with such potential. Priority earth and onward feels very rushed.

There are other parts of the game aswell but it's the end game that feels the most out of place. Like I've stated before. So it's a great universe/series and it has several really good parts in ME3 that makes it a great game, even if other parts subtracts from the whole of it.

[simonrana]

I'm extremely confused by the OP. Am I correct in understanding that his criticism is that ME3 didn't have enough unexpected surprises and was too predictable?

If so I'm afraid I have to not only disagree, but also confess I don't even understand where he's coming from (if you like non-sensical plot twists like ME2's Project Lazarus there are actually plenty of those in ME3).

The nerve of Bioware, writing ME3 to feature the Reapers arriving and trying to wipe out everyone in the galaxy - how unforgivably predictable!

[AlanC9]

Aezync wrote...
 In Mass Effect 3, we see no such surprise. The vast majority of everything that occurs is expected, and little content holds imagination or expresses good use of Bioware's "artistic integrity". The ending, on the contrary, is very unexpected, but, how wellw as it made? Not incredibly. I'm not going to go on a rant about that (despite having a great desire to) because that's all apparent to everyone.

I must ask the question: if EA gave them another year to develop (meaning that it would be released March 5th of this year) , do you think that the majority of these shortcomings would have been avoided, yielding one of the best Sci-fi games ever produced?

So if theytook longer to make it....it would have been longer? And the new content would have been more likely to surprise you than the existing content?

I don't think there's any likelihood that ME3 was ever going to be much longer than ME2. It's already slightly longer in gameplay hours, and has substantially more dialogue.

Or is this an argument that Bio would have realized that Rannoch and Tuchanka were predictable, and they would have been cut?

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2013 - 05:20 .

[bogsters23]

i disagree with your opinion. i love mass effect 3 i enjoyed the journey to the end but i was not so happy about the ending. compared to other games mass effect series is one of the best. entertaining universe, awesome voice acting, replayability and cinematic like experience it's just awesome for me.

[jsamlaw]

I'm shocked that Aezync got a BioWare response to his post. His "critique" of the trilogy is nothing more than one man's opinion and it's hardly a summation. I've read some really good posts that addressed ME3's ending (and the alleged shortcomings) from a literary perspective and how certain classic story telling steps were skipped or abstract elements introduced out of the blue.

This is just a "I liked this, I didn't like that..." post. And as others have already stated, OP is just late to the party on that count.

IMO, the ending was "fixed" with the Extended Cut. BioWare told the story they wanted to tell. I didn't especially enjoy the ending, as I would have preferred a heroic triumph of the various factions you spent 3 games assembling, but I at least understood the message of their story.

I ended up downloading MEHEM to replace it and got the ending I wanted. There's nothing for BioWare to address at this point other than telling another great story in ME 4-6.

[Rotacioskapa]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

That's just, like, your opinion man.

That's just, like, almost 70k fans opinion man.

[tanisha__unknown]

I disagree partly with you.

As an example of surprising and good writing you state that in ME2 you die and are revived by a mysterious organization. It is exactly that part of ME2, which I found poorly written, implausible and wholly unmotivated, even though I adore the game otherwise.

Even though the major conflicts were foreshadowed and are resolved pretty much as could be expected, I still think it is well done, mostly. You may dislike it because it is not exceptionally inventive, I don't think that is the breaking point. The genophage resolution was plausible (Krogans being in the position to demand a cure, salarians unhappy and trying do sabotage the whole thing) as was the Geth-Quarian-conflict. Neither one was too contrived (apart from Legions death, even though it fits the tone, I don't really get why it has to die). Admittedly, the ending is a dealbreaker for a lot of people, Ihave to give you credit for that one.

Gameplaywise you have to differ. The combat mechanics are the best thought out in the trilogy, though it is not revolutionary. Not being entirely new and original is no problem. They tried to get the best out of the two worlds, ME1 and ME2 combat and I think they suceeded. Entirely new gameplay wasn't going to be expected, since it is still the same franchise, trilogy and genre. Off-combat I dislike the lack of dialogue OPTIONS (autdialogue and hardly ever a neutral option). Mixed, really.

[liggy002]

Aezync wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Yes but why aren't they doing anything about it? They can't just let the Shepard trilogy end like this..

Why would they? Do they not care about the fans anymore?

That is the million dollar question.  Why aren't they doing anything about it?  Some would say that the EC was a proper fix but I disagree.

[Kulbelbolka]

What I totally agree with - this game didn't surprise me at all. There is almost no mysteries, no plot twists, no cliffhangers. The main plot with Crucible is so bad, because Crucible cames from nowhere. The moment when Cerberus steal prothean VI from Tessia is one of the best, because it's unexpected and it give more tense to the plot.
All other time plot goes from point A to point B without any sideways.

[Veganterror]

liggy002 wrote...

Aezync wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Yes but why aren't they doing anything about it? They can't just let the Shepard trilogy end like this..

Why would they? Do they not care about the fans anymore?

That is the million dollar question.  Why aren't they doing anything about it?  Some would say that the EC was a proper fix but I disagree.

Of course they care about the fans! Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten a Romance DLC. 
But there is a difference between caring about what fans think, and doing nothing but their bidding. I think Bioware has earned the right to actually do whatever they want with the endings. Sometimes, there's just a ''too bad''-moment. This is it. They care about the fanbase, and our opinions. But they won't change the endings.
Too bad.

[Nerevar-as]

Veganterror wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Aezync wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Yes but why aren't they doing anything about it? They can't just let the Shepard trilogy end like this..

Why would they? Do they not care about the fans anymore?

That is the million dollar question.  Why aren't they doing anything about it?  Some would say that the EC was a proper fix but I disagree.

Of course they care about the fans! Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten a Romance DLC. 
But there is a difference between caring about what fans think, and doing nothing but their bidding. I think Bioware has earned the right to actually do whatever they want with the endings. Sometimes, there's just a ''too bad''-moment. This is it. They care about the fanbase, and our opinions. But they won't change the endings.
Too bad.

Too bad that if someone ends up paying for this will be the notME4 team, and not the ones responsible for this.

[Shepard108278]

Maybe for you but for me it's the best of the trilogy and a fitting conclusion especially post EC.

[JamieCOTC]

While I don't concede that ME3 was a failure, I understand your point. For me, ME3 has some of the best moments in the franchise and some of the worst. However what is good and what is bad is subjective and so we can't deal in absolutes too much. Example - While some loved it, for me the worst offender of ME3 was Shepard's auto-dialogue. Control over a character I had been crafting for two games was all but stripped away for the sake of cinematics. Ironically, one of the things I loved about ME3 was when Shepard was given the option to voice his/her emotions, but when it became forced it fell flat. I would dare say that is one of the reasons the ending was not well received.

Yes, I do believe had the game been given another year some things would have been improved, and ME3 did need more polish but over all the worst of ME3 seems to stem from developer decisions rather than lack of time. Then again, it's subjective. Some players may have loved Kai Leng, Thessia and Priority Earth. For me, what should have been the highest points of the game were in fact the lowest points of the game. Of course it could be argued that given more time someone may have been able to tweak Kai Leng, Thessia and Priority Earth and they would have been the high points of the game. That of course assumes someone would have thought there was something wrong to begin with which may not be the case. In that case it simply comes to developer's decisions not meshing w/ player's expectations. I can't find the source, so grain of salt, but there is a developer post concerning the EC in which he stated they (BW) had underestimated the attachment players had on key characters, an assumption on the ME team's part that lead to the original ending. Given that BW gave us the EC it's a fair assumption that given what they know now and had they the time and resources some other things might have changed. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 25 février 2013 - 09:39 .

[jakal66]

Rotacioskapa wrote...

CINCTuchanka wrote...

That's just, like, your opinion man.

That's just, like, almost 70k fans opinion man.

Ahhh, another little poll, listen and let me make thjis really clear, there is no way you can measure accurately which people, hated, loved ,didn't care much about,were upset by or enjoyed a bit the ending.There's no poll that can actually give you that estimate.

70K is not the majority, you're still missing all the people who purchased it and just the physical copies were in the millions, without counting digital copies...

I agree that many,an impressive number of people indeed, really disliked the ending and the game...but that doesn't mean that it's the majority.Let's not forget the people who just voted without even playing the game, the ones who got on the choo choo hating train.

But I will say this, without the fans who were able to voice their opinions how they did without insultiung, threatening or just being useless human beings, we would not have gotten the EC, I am always greatful for what they accomplished but I also thank Bioware for trying.Many other companies wouldn't have done crap about it.I don't see ACIII changing their crappy ending no time soon.

What i am tired of, is the lack of acceptance of many people when it comes to the ending, not accepting that this is what we have, and we either live with it or move on, but constant bickering at this point won't get you anything, just more anger and hate. I know this happens with this kind of fans...we love something so much we believe it's ours.

But it is not, the idea, story and everything belongs to them, and they decided to go that way, was it the wrong way possibly.Did they try to mend it somehow? Yes. Was it enough? No.Will it ever be enough? Probably not.

Many of the people here hated ME2, and now  they say they always loved it....internet isn't a place you can put your trust in.

The OP expressed himself very well, one of the few who do,he has two options he either accepts it or chooses to forever complain about it...I've come to accept it, I hate the cliffhanger, I love MEHEM, I still feel ME3 was weaker than ME1 &2 but it is still a very good game for me even with all its flaws.

[Rotacioskapa]

jakal66 wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

CINCTuchanka wrote...

That's just, like, your opinion man.

That's just, like, almost 70k fans opinion man.

Ahhh, another little poll, listen and let me make thjis really clear, there is no way you can measure accurately which people, hated, loved ,didn't care much about,were upset by or enjoyed a bit the ending.There's no poll that can actually give you that estimate.

70K is not the majority, you're still missing all the people who purchased it and just the physical copies were in the millions, without counting digital copies...

I agree that many,an impressive number of people indeed, really disliked the ending and the game...but that doesn't mean that it's the majority.Let's not forget the people who just voted without even playing the game, the ones who got on the choo choo hating train.

But I will say this, without the fans who were able to voice their opinions how they did without insultiung, threatening or just being useless human beings, we would not have gotten the EC, I am always greatful for what they accomplished but I also thank Bioware for trying.Many other companies wouldn't have done crap about it.I don't see ACIII changing their crappy ending no time soon.

What i am tired of, is the lack of acceptance of many people when it comes to the ending, not accepting that this is what we have, and we either live with it or move on, but constant bickering at this point won't get you anything, just more anger and hate. I know this happens with this kind of fans...we love something so much we believe it's ours.

But it is not, the idea, story and everything belongs to them, and they decided to go that way, was it the wrong way possibly.Did they try to mend it somehow? Yes. Was it enough? No.Will it ever be enough? Probably not.

Many of the people here hated ME2, and now  they say they always loved it....internet isn't a place you can put your trust in.

The OP expressed himself very well, one of the few who do,he has two options he either accepts it or chooses to forever complain about it...I've come to accept it, I hate the cliffhanger, I love MEHEM, I still feel ME3 was weaker than ME1 &2 but it is still a very good game for me even with all its flaws.

This poll represents their hardcore fanbase. And they scared them away. But i guess they made this on porpuse so they can get more mindless CoD fans.

[Evo_9]

OP you fail on so many levels.

ME2 is painful....so so painful to play through.

Also the human reaper would like a word with you.

Modifié par Evo_9, 25 février 2013 - 10:01 .

[Rotacioskapa]

Evo_9 wrote...

Also the human reaper would like a word with you.

Still better than the Catalyst.

[Haargel]

Still the best franchise I have played, I will not let the last 10 minutes ruin it. And the EC fixed it for me.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It's pretty awesome that people post on forums (doesn't matter which) only when they want to criticize. If only it could be like: "Yea, I like this game, let's share it"

[The_Other_M]

Well, OP I'd say that IF BioWare did spend another year working on ME3 + reallocate at least 1/3 of the money that was pissed away on SWTOR's obscene budget back to ME3's development + get Drew Karpyshyn back as the co-lead writer, then ME3 could have easily surpassed ME2.

[leeboi2]

This thread AGAIN! Seriously? **** my life, it's only the 400000000000000000000000000th thread of this nature in the last year.

[Comm1Sheppard]

Ah yes we have dismissed this claim

Modifié par Comm1Sheppard, 25 février 2013 - 10:37 .

[Kulbelbolka]

Rotacioskapa wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

CINCTuchanka wrote...

That's just, like, your opinion man.

That's just, like, almost 70k fans opinion man.

Ahhh, another little poll, listen and let me make thjis really clear, there is no way you can measure accurately which people, hated, loved ,didn't care much about,were upset by or enjoyed a bit the ending.There's no poll that can actually give you that estimate.

70K is not the majority, you're still missing all the people who purchased it and just the physical copies were in the millions, without counting digital copies...

I agree that many,an impressive number of people indeed, really disliked the ending and the game...but that doesn't mean that it's the majority.Let's not forget the people who just voted without even playing the game, the ones who got on the choo choo hating train.

But I will say this, without the fans who were able to voice their opinions how they did without insultiung, threatening or just being useless human beings, we would not have gotten the EC, I am always greatful for what they accomplished but I also thank Bioware for trying.Many other companies wouldn't have done crap about it.I don't see ACIII changing their crappy ending no time soon.

What i am tired of, is the lack of acceptance of many people when it comes to the ending, not accepting that this is what we have, and we either live with it or move on, but constant bickering at this point won't get you anything, just more anger and hate. I know this happens with this kind of fans...we love something so much we believe it's ours.

But it is not, the idea, story and everything belongs to them, and they decided to go that way, was it the wrong way possibly.Did they try to mend it somehow? Yes. Was it enough? No.Will it ever be enough? Probably not.

Many of the people here hated ME2, and now  they say they always loved it....internet isn't a place you can put your trust in.

The OP expressed himself very well, one of the few who do,he has two options he either accepts it or chooses to forever complain about it...I've come to accept it, I hate the cliffhanger, I love MEHEM, I still feel ME3 was weaker than ME1 &2 but it is still a very good game for me even with all its flaws.

This poll represents their hardcore fanbase. And they scared them away. But i guess they made this on porpuse so they can get more mindless CoD fans.

I can't see why they are wrong in this case. If "mindless CoD fans" will bring them more money than elite hardcore fanbase, than they'll make some changes in game to make it attractive for CoD-fans. It's like you're saying that making money is something bad.

Also, a little secret - it's standard practice to make sequels more attractive for new people, because fans of previous game already hooked and most of them will buy a new game without any hesitation.

[FlamingBoy]

People really don't understand stats, or sampling

[WoolyJoe]

Good for you, guy.