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[XSarenXArteriusX]

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[CaliJoe090]

I am not going to get into my own details of the hows and whys of ME franchise. BioWare has been the 1st, and thus far the only developer to create a storyline that follows the player over THREE "fully developed" games. Yes, it's in quotations for a reason. I don't know any franchise that has yet to attempt that. The Shepard story was just the start *if* BW is going to build upon into the future of ME franchise.

You are more than welcome to build your own studio and develop what you feel would be an excellent game or game series.

ME Shepard story to me is like your first car. It kinda sucks putting so much money in repairs, but you love it, and you know you'll eventually replace it with something better. For now, it does what it does and you're alright with it.

[AlanC9]

CaliJoe090 wrote...
 BioWare has been the 1st, and thus far the only developer to create a storyline that follows the player over THREE "fully developed" games.

This isn't strictly true. Ultima IV and subsequent games also feature the same protagonist. 

However, those games didn't have significant choices, and didn't carry anything over from one game to the next.

[_jackdurden_]

 Aezync

Mate, I fully understand your feelings and I have exactly the same opinion as you.

This is a clear, no more buying bioware games, may sound too obvious but it's true, I deeply love Dragon Age Origins and what they did with dragon age 2 for me was like a kick in the balls, exactly the same as step with Mass Effect 3, it shows that the game lacked at least one year more of development

The point is this, I've been buying since 1998 BioWare games has always been one of my favorite developers and I'm not at all agree with the way you are currently taking, if I'm going to keep buying games continue to promote this way

If I am very grateful to the free DLC for ME3 multiplayer, but the campaign has not had the same attention and the DLC that have come out are very expensive

so my way is not to protest but my money in a company that is not meeting my expectations, there are now many other companies developing rpg game and are much more committed and loyal to his ideals and treat their customers better such as Bethesda and CD Projekt



before all the fanboys jump to slit my throat I will say that this is just my opinion and I have tried to express with clarity and respect 

Modifié par _jackdurden_, 26 février 2013 - 08:51 .

[Volkai7]

I enjoyed ME3 quite thoroughly. It's not as different from 2 as 2 was from 1, but that's okay.
It is a successful iterative advancement from 2, as opposed to 2's revolution/massive revamp when compared to 1.

[SwitchN7]

There may be something wrong with me but i enjoy the 3rd installment the most.Could it have used a few months in dev? Even my brain could have used more time sure.ME3,ME1,ME2.That's my love.My advice would be drop the hate because you know in a couple of months or so you will replay the entire trilogy despite the flaws you find.Nothing out there compares to ME for the likes of us.

[Shepard108278]

Evo_9 wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Also the human reaper would like a word with you.

Still better than the Catalyst.

catalyst makes more sense than the human reaper.

Um the Human reaper was explained and not only did it make sense to me it fit in the lore. Also that is my opinion.

[Kaos_Scorpio]

I understand the frustrations but, I feel ME3 did something the other 2 games failed to do; it made us care. The fruition of days worth of game-play all brought to an end, we felt joy, anger, confusion, and in the end sad/confused. I felt that ME3 was much more emotionally captivating compared to the other games. The only thing that disappointed me was that I felt like the robbed me of choice, pre EC BW gave you three ways to kill yourself, post EC they gave you 4 ways to kill your-self (yes I consider destroy dead until Bioware gives me reason otherwise). I'm not a believer in every game needs to have a happy ending but I am a believer in every ending should bring the protagonist to the final curtain call. I felt Bioware dropped the ball to give Shepard the send-off he deserved, he never really attained victory, it was given to him. ME1 he fought wave after wave of krogans and geth to defeat Saren and Soverign, in ME3 he fought through endless waves of collectors to defeat the collector general. In ME3 he fought through waves of enemies to have a glowing child say pick one. The difference between the 3 ending in 1&2 Shepard earned victory in 3 he was given it, he never really earned it. The very enemy he was trying to defeat pretty much gave him the solution, that to me would be like Osama Bin Laden sending a letter to the President with his exact return address and a time to he'll be there on top of that. But despite the ending I found 3 moe emotionally engaing than the first 2 while 1 told a better story 3 come in second. Me2 was to me story wise unnecessary, but a positive push in terms of action.

[Aezync]

Sadly I still see confusion about what I meant. So now I'll try to summarize what I've said and state it as clearly as possible.

Here it goes.

Mass Effect 3 has many expected story elements. These story elements are epic. Mass Effect 3's writing team, rather than going beyond what was expected, leaves them as they were. My argument: why didn't they change what was expected like they are capable of doing?

Mass Effect 3 is a good game. It's not a good Mass Effect game. It doesn't innovate like the other 2. Yes it does show good work in gameplay, but its story and animations are poorly made. Can't you tell from most of the animations that the game was in the middle of being produced, but didn't have enough time/money to continue, and so they "wrapped it up" by giving something that was minimally satisfying?

Oh, furthermore, I'm not saying the series was poorly made. I'm saying the 3rd was poorly made and the others were great. 

Modifié par Aezync, 26 février 2013 - 10:32 .

[pra_viilon]

Aezync wrote...

Sadly I still see confusion about what I meant. So now I'll try to summarize what I've said and state it as clearly as possible.

Here it goes.

Mass Effect 3 has many expected story elements. These story elements are epic. Mass Effect 3's writing team, rather than going beyond what was expected, leaves them as they were. My argument: why didn't they change what was expected like they are capable of doing?

Mass Effect 3 is a good game. It's not a good Mass Effect game. It doesn't innovate like the other 2. Yes it does show good work in gameplay, but its story and animations are poorly made. Can't you tell from most of the animations that the game was in the middle of being produced, but didn't have enough time/money to continue, and so they "wrapped it up" by giving something that was minimally satisfying?

Exactly my thoughts

[themikefest]

More development time would've helped. Of course we will never know.

My biggest problem, as someone else mentioned, is the auto-dialogue. It felt like I wasn't playing the femshep that I had in ME1/2.

Is it a disappointment. For me no. I have more playthroughs then I do with the other 2 games. I will continue playing ME3.

[frostajulie]

OP I completely agree with every point you made and feel the same way about the lack of storytelling innovation in ME3 with 1 exception. Tuchanka. If the entire game was a rich and diverse as Tuchanka was, as powerful emotionally as Tuchanka was with a few- for me at least- very unexpected and emotionally intense powerhouse moments then ME3 would have been epic. If you look to Tuchanka then you can see a shadow of what ME3 could have and should have been.

[Steelcan]

I'm disappointed yeah. But I still like it enough

[Abraham_uk]

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Last time I checked, this "party" of angst is still happening.

"General Discussion" and "Story and Campaign Discussion" sections are still flooded with ending related discussion.




Sigh. Why do I still come here?
Can't you guys just bump one of the old threads with your dissapointment rather than start a 10000000th thread?
Is it really that hard to find threads about how much people hate the endings?


It's really annoying me!

We don't need another identical thread.
No we don't.
Add your points in one of the older threads! It's not difficult!

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 26 février 2013 - 10:57 .

[Aezync]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Last time I checked, this "party" of angst is still happening.

"General Discussion" and "Story and Campaign Discussion" sections are still flooded with ending related discussion.




Sigh. Why do I still come here?
Can't you guys just bump one of the old threads with your dissapointment rather than start a 10000000th thread?
Is it really that hard to find threads about how much people hate the endings?


It's really annoying me!

We don't need another identical thread.
No we don't.
Add your points in one of the older threads! It's not difficult!

It's not even about the ending, really. I doubt you even read what I wrote.

[liggy002]

OP, it is a disappointment. A MAJOR disappointment. The ending was so unsatisfying. War assets were nothing but a number and NOW I am about 65% sure that Harbinger will not be in this latest DLC: the thing that I wanted to see most from this series.

I really wish that some of this stuff could be addressed. Now that it's not I have to say that I am no longer able to play the Mass Effect trilogy, the experience was just ruined for me. On the miracle that Harbinger pops up, I'll take all of that back.

[Bizantura]

After finishing ME3 I also was on the bandwagon that it was a bad game. Still don't like the ending but can live with it after EC.

Problem is have still to find a game like it that is better. Bought suggestions of a game everybody was raving about. Still trying to swallow that grose disapointment down after playing.

ME trilogy isn't perfect no I grant you that but it is way better and a joy for me to play again and again which is more than any other game besides spellforce universe has ever provided for me.

The grass wasn't greener on the other side and that I learnt that hard way by buying games others raved about and I consider a waste of money and time.

[liggy002]

Aezync wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Yes but why aren't they doing anything about it? They can't just let the Shepard trilogy end like this..

Why would they? Do they not care about the fans anymore?

OP, they have stated that according to their data we are the minority and as a result they see no problem with the endings.

[Kaos_Scorpio]

I get what you mean, I still find the first game the best in terms of story telling, but I still personally feel the series would work just fine without the second game. I like ME3, ending aside, the scripted events felt more epic than in any game. I still love making the final run on the citadel beam or when Shep faced down the reaper on Rannoch. ME2 only had the destruction of the SR-1 and killing Shep for the 1st time.

[XqctaX]

i agree with everything you said, for me ME3 was pure dissapointment and missed opportunities.

and yes it feels like a rushed unfinnished game.

[XqctaX]

liggy002 wrote...

Aezync wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

Yes but why aren't they doing anything about it? They can't just let the Shepard trilogy end like this..

Why would they? Do they not care about the fans anymore?

OP, they have stated that according to their data we are the minority and as a result they see no problem with the endings.

I think those statements are about as true as the pre-release statments they did.
like there wont be any A. B. C endings....    

[pmac_tk421]

ME1<ME2<ME3
Just my opinion, you can also have yours. ME1 was a good game and gave us the amazing Mass Effect universe, but suffered from serious gameplay flaws. ME2 moved in the right direction by making the gameplay work, and the story core story in my opinion was the that ame's strength, it was the greta characters and their relationships that sold me on the story side. ME3 perfected ME2's gameplay and expanded upon it. In addition, the emotional voice acting and story telling went far beyond what I was expecting.

[CaIIisto]

ME3 could have sealed the ME franchise as being one of the greatest of this generation of video-games. Instead, we got amateur hour, and BW fumbled the ball on the goal-line.

Such a shame.

[moater boat]

davishepard wrote...

@OP I disagree with your opinion, and even more with the insults that you made to the developers (like saying the EC was poorly made). How about you put a little thought into how they would see such comment, given the chance to read it?
Of course that excluding the upcoming Citadel DLC, nothing more will be added anyway - no, your thread is not special and will not reach the attention of BioWare in the way you seems to intend, since they already collected the feedback to the last DLC.

Saying something was poorly made is not an insult to people. It is a value judgement. Why does everyone think that developers are above criticism? In any other line of work if you screw up, you are blamed for it.

[Winterfly]

I agree with over post.

And yes, I have considered this myself! Bioware needed one more year to add in quests to all those delivery quest who do just contain scanning and some minor dialogue you cannot even effect.

More exploration
More hubs.

EA pretty muched ruined ME3.

And with Dragon Age 2 fiasco and the TOR being a WoW in space....it do not look good. I do not think people understand what Bioware need to do to redeem themself. Dragon Age Inquisition need to be on par with Baldurs Gate 1/2 or Planescape Torment for me to bring back some weight to Bioware when people seemingly hold Skyrim in the highest regard (**** RP game! Bioware still make the best dialogue) and Witcher series being held in very high favour aswell! Deservingly.